Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

I think rolling party and some of the elements from establishment they are trying to help India recover from their humiliation. And Indians are taking full advantage of it from other side using their paint content creators and all the stuff.
Because I’m unable to understand why Pakistan is not taking full advantage
 
It doesn’t feel like incompetence anymore — something is clearly off. It raises serious questions: are there individuals inside the establishment working in alignment with Indian interests? Because these decisions are not just reckless — they are strategically damaging, and the only beneficiary seems to be India.

Actually this is pretty common in third world autocracies. Don't think there is an Indian angle to this.

The present set up will use this episode to consolidate its power further. They are also still hoping to have a outreach to Modi with one part deliberately not naming Modi.
 
Actually this is pretty common in third world autocracies. Don't think there is an Indian angle to this.

The present set up will use this episode to consolidate its power further. They are also still hoping to have a outreach to Modi with one part deliberately not naming Modi.

May 10, is being effectively used to boost domestic objectives....Nawaz has already been declared as Chief Engineer JF-17 and architect of May 10 Military Plan. Same is the case for our own big brothers....and it will be continued for 50 yrs ...
 
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The decisions being made during this very crucial time are seriously damaging Pakistan’s standing on international platforms and social media. While India has managed to recover its digital image in the past five days, Pakistani social media has started pulling back support — especially after witnessing the shocking developments at home.

Imran Khan being sentenced to 14 years in prison, and courts deciding to try civilians in military courts — all during such a sensitive time — is beyond comprehension. No reasonable person, let alone a patriot, would take such actions when the country needs unity, strength, and stability. These are the moments when a real nation-state works to bring its people together, not divide them further.

Frankly, it’s hard to ignore the possibility that some elements within the establishment may be working in alignment with Indian interests. The timing, the tactics, the self-sabotage — it all seems too destructive to be accidental. These actions are not weakening Imran Khan; they are weakening Pakistan.

Instead of building national strength and countering propaganda, these decisions are undermining the military’s own position — especially when a large part of its remaining public support came from PTI voters. This is not just political miscalculation; this is strategic suicide
Nobody's pulling back support. That's a complete myth out of the air (maybe in limited social media circles, but far removed from anything on the ground). I came back to Pakistan a few days before this war and I have even seen ever more people who are now talking about how the army has become the most important pillar of Pakistan above any political figure.

Even the people who earlier used to claim that "army budget le jati hey" are advocating for even more budget to the army, once they have seen how the relatively tiny budget of Pak army against India, has been able to fight them off in a better way.

Another broken myth is that "we antagonize India". That myth has also been badly broken now that the country has seen how India has Gaza type genocidal dreams against Pakistanis, any chance that they get. By utter mistake of Modi, this whole episode has changed things in Pakistan, for at least a decade to come.
 
The Economist has been touting the "rise of India" for 20 odd years and the "fall of China". For them to right the below is massive

Chinese weapons gave Pakistan a new edge against India​

America and its allies are now scrambling for details​

 J-10C fighter jets at Changchun Air Show
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May 15th 2025|Delhi and Islamabad
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India’s four-day military showdown with Pakistan set several new precedents. For military officials from outside the region, the most intriguing one was Pakistan’s use of advanced Chinese fighter jets and missiles in aerial combat with Western-made counterparts.

What’s more, Pakistan claims that its Chinese J-10C fighters and their PL-15 air-to-air missiles prevailed. It says they shot down five of India’s fighters, including three French Rafales and two older Russian ones, on May 7th. And the dogfight of more than an hour involving 114 aircraft was conducted entirely beyond visual range, according to Pakistan’s air force.


India has neither confirmed nor denied that, saying only that all its pilots are safe while claiming to have destroyed some “high-tech” Pakistani warplanes (which Pakistan denies, reporting only minor damage to one). Still, independent reports suggest that some Indian jets crashed, including at least one Rafale.

Pakistan’s use of Chinese arms is no surprise. China has provided them for decades and is now its biggest supplier. But China’s modern fighters were previously untested in combat and thought inferior to Western equivalents. This would be the first combat loss of a Rafale.

China’s government has said only that it is unfamiliar with the issue. But China Space News, one of its state-run defence industry publications, reported on May 12th that Pakistan had used a new system in which air defences locked on to targets. Fighters would then fire missiles at them from afar, guided towards them by other aircraft. It did not say Chinese hardware was used but Pakistan also has Chinese air-defence equipment (which India says it jammed) and airborne radar aircraft.

The claims have grave implications for India. It has modernised its forces in the past decade by buying 62 Rafales and is considering buying more. Pakistan, meanwhile, has added 150 JF-17 fighters, most jointly made with China, since 2007 and has bought 20 J-10Cs since 2022.


America and its allies have cause for alarm too. China does not use the smaller, older JF-17 but it operates J-10Cs, including around Taiwan, so they could feature in a war with America over the self-governed island. And though China has sold them only to Pakistan, others may now show interest (shares in the J-10C’s manufacturer have surged).

Even if Pakistan’s claim is confirmed, that would not prove the J-10C’s superiority over the Rafale or other Western aircraft, many of which can perform a wider variety of missions. Still, military officials around the world are scrambling for more details and, in some cases, preparing to update war plans. ■

 
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I'd say these posts are equivalent to 'JF-17 bhi Nawaz sharif ny banaya tha!!!" level of stupidity. (Just my opinion, equally entitled, I am apolitical, all policitians are alike, selfish and delusional)

PAF has been considering J10 since 2008 and in 2011 it nearly gave acquisition but held back because of lack of funds. Further, PAF has been suggesting improvements in J10 since 2011. J10 C Pak. has is modified for its requirement.
 
You THINK....
Reality is India has humiliated a nuclear power twice..... imagine even America doesn't dare to bomb china north Korea, iran types who are or maybe a nuclear power but India does.....

Be very careful about your next terror action.... new norm you know and I don't have to explain about this.....

Nuclear power getting bombed left right and center like Lebanon is no good sign
you only humiliated your-delusional-self.
 
I'd say these posts are equivalent to 'JF-17 bhi Nawaz sharif ny banaya tha!!!" level of stupidity. (Just my opinion, equally entitled, I am apolitical, all policitians are alike, selfish and delusional)

PAF has been considering J10 since 2008 and in 2011 it nearly gave acquisition but held back because of lack of funds. Further, PAF has been suggesting improvements in J10 since 2011. J10 C Pak. has is modified for its requirement.
your sentiment is not solitary. I have seen ever more people ceasing to give any credence to any political figure anymore.

Yes, all of these political people are absolutely selfish, egoistic and useless, each followed by their own mindless mob who refuse to accept any drawback of their leaders.

In the geography where we are located, Allah's help along with Army and the public are the most important pillars of this country. The rest have no real role other than polishing the boots, one after the other, to get power.
 
You THINK....
Reality is India has humiliated a nuclear power twice..... imagine even America doesn't dare to bomb china north Korea, iran types who are or maybe a nuclear power but India does.....

Be very careful about your next terror action.... new norm you know and I don't have to explain about this.....

Nuclear power getting bombed left right and center like Lebanon is no good sign
If lobbing bombs at standoff range is winning per ur reasoning...
...well Pakistan did that too and decimated ur airforce in addition...
So per ur definition..if India "won"...then Pakistan won^2

Imagine the desperate situation where u have to twist facts to sooth ur pain while the whole world is blasting u for ur failures...
..and even with those mental gymnastics u r not measuring up as discussed in the above paragraph.
 
Yes but the greater media is controlled by the west - and the lines are drawn.
Pakistan is in the unfortunate position of walking the middle of the road.

And when you walk the middle of the road you get hit by both sides

It does not matter what western media thinks or says, Indian forces know exactly what losses they have incurred which is evident from their representative's presser. What Pakistan has gained is

A) Gained superiority over two systems (Rafale and S-400) which Indian forces were depending on.
B) Demoralised their forces
C) Regained the minimum deterrence which is our war doctrine since always.

Our aim was to make sure that India thinks 10 times before trying another mis adventure and we have succeeded.
They will surely improve themselves, like they thought they did after 27th Feb 2019, but so will we, like we did after 2019.
 
You THINK....
Reality is India has humiliated a nuclear power twice..... imagine even America doesn't dare to bomb china north Korea, iran types who are or maybe a nuclear power but India does.....

Be very careful about your next terror action.... new norm you know and I don't have to explain about this.....

Nuclear power getting bombed left right and center like Lebanon is no good sign
Humiliated ? Buddy you're the one humiliating yourself in this episode to begin with, by crying around, claiming that a much smaller 'Pakistan' did a terror attack on a nuclear powered India (and we were the ones telling India to f**k off with its nonsense). Pakistan is the country that took out your planes (confirmed by the French themselves, let alone the world media). And your Modi crying that "Pakistan ne ham per he hamla ker diya?". Half of India was sitting in blackouts for 3 days and on your news channels, we all saw your own news reporters running around scared of drones and missiles. Its all on your Media, not ours. Even IAEA rubbished your claims yesterday.

I'm not sure how this is humiliation for Pakistan in any sense. You came with dreams of 'braking up Pakistan and taking Kashmir', then toned it down to deterrence and then finally left with 'confidence building measures. Its an utter humiliation for a country 9 times larger than Pakistan. Imgine Pakistan failing so bad against, say Muritius or Srilanka, etc. We would not be able to show our faces to the world let alone brag about anything. You'd do better if you came out of the Godi Media world so your country improves.
 
You THINK....
Reality is India has humiliated a nuclear power twice..... imagine even America doesn't dare to bomb china north Korea, iran types who are or maybe a nuclear power but India does.....

Be very careful about your next terror action.... new norm you know and I don't have to explain about this.....

Nuclear power getting bombed left right and center like Lebanon is no good sign

You THINK....
Reality is India has humiliated a nuclear power twice..... imagine even America doesn't dare to bomb china north Korea, iran types who are or maybe a nuclear power but India does.....

Be very careful about your next terror action.... new norm you know and I don't have to explain about this.....

Nuclear power getting bombed left right and center like Lebanon is no good sign
You mean this? The Pakistaní attacked on your missile storages.
 

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