Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hitting the runways was serious. Moeed has valid points. Pak might have responded with Fatah 2 for a tat response but IAF had many airbases.

The PAF had started taking down the Bharati AD starting with S-400 with hard kills under heavy EW/EA. The PAF was in the air superiority condition as the IAF was nowhere to be seen. The Brahmos launching pads and depots were hit and destroyed too. As for the runaways, they can be fixed within a couple of hours. The Husis fire many more missiles toward Israili air bases on a regular basis. Does the Israili AF get crippled?

The most important parts of the Pak retaliation: air superiority; controlling the EM spectrum; ability of targeting and hitting Bharati AD, missile sites, artillery, depots, command centers etc. at will; cyber warfare etc...

 

[PakFactor]

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lol, those guys are going to be ranked number 1 when all this is done.

But look at it another way it’s conditioning Chinese against India; the power of media.

 

[TallGuy]

Saragoda was the only runway India managed to disable. Right? And how may Indian airbases were operational after Pakistans strikes? Moeed is being stupid to ignore the fact that the entire Indian airforce had been grounded, the vast majority of Brahmos stockpiles were destroyed. He gave far more value to the remaining limited stockpiles of Brahmos than any actual analyst would have given.

That is why his analysis is pointless going forward. He is out of his depth and can be relegated to a click-bait clown from here on out.

Hitting Main Runway is not a big Achievement. we have 9000ft Taxiway which is used at time of emergencies. its not a big deal.

Sarghoda Main Runway was recovered in 8-9hrs or may be less.

Its just Information war! we are purposely giving them space to boast. yes yes! They destroyed everything - PAF is no more..all i can say is!
"Aa na Phir khusbu Laga kay!"

 

[Ali_Baba]

Hitting Main Runway is not a big Achievement. we have 9000ft Taxiway which is used at time of emergencies. its not a big deal.

Sarghoda Main Runway was recovered in 8-9hrs or may be less.

Losing a main base like Sarghoda is a problem that i wouldn't dismiss so easily given how many jets are based there.

Saraghoda really needs more runways if it is to be as significant a base as it is to the PAF. Taxiways are not suited for operational use for jets, they are too narrow.

A lot can happen in 8-9hrs if you lose the military capability at Sarghoda ..

Look at Nevatim Airbase design if you want some ideas.

 

[Goenitz]

Saragoda was the only runway India managed to disable. Right? And how may Indian airbases were operational after Pakistans strikes? Moeed is being stupid to ignore the fact that the entire Indian airforce had been grounded, the vast majority of Brahmos stockpiles were destroyed. He gave far more value to the remaining limited stockpiles of Brahmos than any actual analyst would have given.

That is why his analysis is pointless going forward. He is out of his depth and can be relegated to a click-bait clown from here on out.

No man, they hit our bases from North to South. I think the RYK and Nur Khan's airstrips were damaged only. Damage to hangers occurred at Jaccob, Bolhari etc.
We have hit them hard, that is why we hit S-400 with BARCAP (air superiority). However, the damage is not visible yet.
They now have 3 Brahmos production facilities which can pump 100s when needed. The attrition we could face could spiral out of control.
That is why we need more AD units and perhaps more bases, as other members were pointing out and @arslank01 was furuoius over it.

 

[gamaji]

Indians are dealing with (and getting humiliated by) a different general in Pakistan.

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[Meengla]

The soft kills were impressive.
The second largest military on the planet after loosing 5 jets had very little to show for itself.
A few damaged structures on air bases.....water off a ducks back. Pakistan has impressed allot of people.

Remember between the morning of May 7 and the morning of May 10, how many here were calling for Pakistan to go into India and avenge the civilians killed in their homes and mosques? I was either a fence sitter or I wanted Pakistan to de-escalate because on the morning of May 7, Pakistan was already ahead with the Indian fighter jets downed AND Indian casualties on the LoC. So it would be appropriate, in the gambling parlance (and I think I used 'gambling parlance' in my post those days) to get out while you are ahead. But too many here wanted Pakistan to fall for the Indian trap of going into India and avenging. And I bet some of them would have been actually glad that Pakistan would be humiliated then to fulfill their very narrow political goals.

He is out of his depth and can be relegated to a click-bait clown from here on out.

Moeed Pirzada and other 'BhagoRas' (fugitive) 'journalists' sitting in the West are surely click-bait clowns for me for many months.

 

[Goenitz]

The PAF had started taking down the Bharati AD starting with S-400 with hard kills under heavy EW/EA. The PAF was in the air superiority condition as the IAF was nowhere to be seen. The Brahmos launching pads and depots were hit and destroyed too. As for the runaways, they can be fixed within a couple of hours. The Husis fire many more missiles toward Israili air bases on a regular basis. Does the Israili AF get crippled?

The most important parts of the Pak retaliation: air superiority; controlling the EM spectrum; ability of targeting and hitting Bharati AD, missile sites, artillery, depots, command centers etc. at will; cyber warfare etc...

Sir, it was losses per capita. The runways can be repaired but they were out of service. That meant we couldn't take off and couldn't be airborne for a long time as we lacked refuellers, not to mention repairing and maintenance.
IAF, even with one airbase intact, can inflict heavy losses on Gazans and Houthis as it has no opposition or conventional force.
Yes, we destroyed their Brahmos storage and many things.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Moeed Pirzada and other 'BhagoRas' (fugitive) 'journalists' sitting in the West are surely click-bait clowns for me for many months.

Unforgivable considering the enemy we have next door.

For years they spread absolute BS about the fauj in an attempt to disrupt Pakistani society.

 

[Ali_Baba]

No man, they hit our bases from North to South. I think the RYK and Nur Khan's airstrips were damaged only. Damage to hangers occurred at Jaccob, Bolhari etc.
We have hit them hard, that is why we hit S-400 with BARCAP (air superiority). However, the damage is not visible yet.
They now have 3 Brahmos production facilities which can pump 100s when needed. The attrition we could face could spiral out of control.

Yes and Pakistan needs a similar capability to pump out 100s of its own platform/solution. Brahmos, while "80s" technology, is cheap and cheerful relatively speaking.

That is why we need more AD units and perhaps more bases, as other members were pointing out and @arslank01 was furuoius over it.

Bases need to be upgraded with better physical shelters for high value assets and more runways. Losing a base for 8hrs is a disaster given how much damage can be caused in 8hrs. Do remember, this was not a full all out war, but a conflict with escalation ladders.

Brahmos is vulnerable in its terminal phase, so a CIWS type solution would help a lot. I am sure PAF is busily wargaming scenarios right now with a view of how to reduce the threat.

PAF officers have visited China a few days ago, part of that will be to give feedback to China on what worked, and what did not, part of that visit may have been a shopping for near term critical items they are confident that they need now.

 

[Waz]

We allow it and jam electronically deliberately not engage since air defense is more expensive and we do not want to show our non sensitive location and Indian did opposite the same and lost 2 to 3 s-400 systems.

Mobile launchers would have mitigated that.

 

[falcon34]

What is recent satellite imagery ?
Do you have a date on it to corroborate?

Sentinal 2As, that's where I looked up, recently I talked to to friend of mine according to him sentinal is not reliable, barely any updates happen, the updates mostly related to vegetation changes, no damage to infrastructure can be assessed based on that Sentinal 2A, just wanted to clarify.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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[Goenitz]

Yes and Pakistan needs a similar capability to pump out 100s of its own platform/solution. Brahmos, while "80s" technology, is cheap and cheerful relatively speaking.



Bases need to be upgraded with better physical shelters for high value assets and more runways. Losing a base for 8hrs is a disaster given how much damage can be caused in 8hrs. Do remember, this was not a full all out war, but a conflict with escalation ladders.

Brahmos is vulnerable in its terminal phase, so a CIWS type solution would help a lot. I am sure PAF is busily wargaming scenarios right now with a view of how to reduce the threat.

PAF officers have visited China a few days ago, part of that will be to give feedback to China on what worked, and what did not, part of that visit may have been a shopping for near term critical items they are confident that they need now.

circular can be an option.

 

[Waz]

How I see it:
1. India lost perhaps a few aircrafts (unconfirmed) but lets go with the assumption
2. Pakistan (in particular citizens) lost pride - can't imagine missiles raining down on major cities and airbases and not feeling helpless
3. Long-term problem of Kashmir probably center stage but will go in the background as time passes - perhaps 6-9 months max.
4. On the other hand, India put IWT in abeyance and can control Pakistan in long-term

Net net - India won this round. Balakot wasn't a victory for India, bit of a egg on face tbh. But this one was as clear as night and day

1. Not perhaps, plenty of evidence of it around. If the IAF wants to hide it so be it, the world sniggers.
2. Missiles were not raining down at all, some did get through and damage bases.
3. Agreed.
4. Nope and we've put up why that is the case, it begins with C and they are the ultimate water power.

Net for no one.

Can you also put up your Indian flag.