Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

gamaji said:
The frustration in Indian public is bound to increasingly grow as more and more information on how much comprehensively Pak military has beaten up the Hindutva terrorist Modi just in 5 short hours.

Hindutva media persons were making insane claims (before the announcement of the ceasefire) of how Karachi was burning, Lahore was bombed, port Faisalabad was devastated from Samandar, Gen. Asim Munir fled, and PM SS was arrested. Then the Indian public suddenly heard of the ceasefire - not announced by a triumphant Modi but rather - by the US president Trump. It was a rude and devastating shock for common Indians who could not even imagined that the coward Modi had capitulated in just a few hours hammering by Pakistan before he frantically started calling the US, Iran, and KSA and requesting for an immediate ceasefire. They didn't know the reality of Modi disgracefully surrendering and accepting the ceasefire on Pakistan's terms and conditions.

It is now clear that Pakistani military sent devastating blows to Indians in such a short time and broke their will to fight. Pakistan is currently occupying more than 130 Indian military posts on the LoC, WB, and international border. In fact, Pak military has created quite a few choking points that will be used in case Hindutva terrorist Modi tries any misadventure yet once again. Let Indians start working on any plan to divert Pakistani waters and you'll see how we stranglehold and finish them off to remove the Hindutva evil once for all.
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Which posts are you talking about? Do you have any news reports regarding this?
 
Maarkhoor said:
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Finally American authorities seem to have realized how Indians have been exploiting and abusing the US laws for massively smuggling Indians into the US by using fake documents. It's a huge Indian network (consisting of Indian consulates in many US cities and big Indian companies) that smuggles tens of thousands of Indians into the US every year. I personally know (from my Indian friends) how Indians pay for a few months long training in India and then getting fake certificates and experience certificates to be used for getting US visa.

Even Indian tourist companies reportedly bring tens of thousands of Indians to the US with clearance letters from Indian officials (even from Indian consulates in the US) as tourists only to disappear after their arrival in the country. Banning Indian tourists and officials of Indian consulates in the US is a step in the right direction.

I would urge Turkish and Azerbaijani authorities to completely ban Indian tourists. These evils will now try human smuggling into Europe and the US via these countries.
 
Oscar said:
Yeah but they doing this enmasse - through paid shrills in the west- and so on.
What you have to understand and fear is that in todays glut of information feeding AI search engines - this tactic WILL mean the Indian narrative no matter how blatantly false, hollow or misleading is taken as “common knowledge” because they’re flooding the waves with it.
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FarhanSiddiqui said:
The Indian videos on YouTube are claiming that Indian Foreign Minister called his counterpart in Pakistan to inform him about the impending IAF attacks on Pakistan. This they claim was treasonous act and want him to resign. So the Pakistan took defensive posture and resulted in Indian Rafale being shot down.
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Not that I like the current Indian administration, but it was 'right' for India to inform Pakistan about the attack to prevent any 'misunderstanding'. Pakistan would have detected the launch of the Indian aircrafts anyway and that was reported between Pakistan's anchor Mansoor Ali Khan just before May 7 escalation that Pakistan spotted '175 Indian fighter jets' moved closer to Pakistan.
Rahul Gandhi, being a politician, is taking advantage of India's humiliation on May 7, just like all politicians do. You can bet that if Pakistan had suffered the humiliation that day then a certain political party of Pakistan would bring up the 2019 skirmish with India to lionize their own leader.
It is what it is: Dirty Politics and it is global except in case of India and Pakistan, it is quite crass.
 
Jango007 said:
Indonesia's Air Force faced a de facto arms embargo on F-16 fighters from the United States from 1998 to 2006, following human rights concerns and political events related to the 1998 riots. While the U.S. government didn't explicitly ban exports of F-16s, the embargo effectively prevented Indonesia from procuring new F-16s from the United States.
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Yes during arm embargo period F16, Herculess cannot be used. This is why Indonesia accept SK offer to develop KFX/IFX together. I still remember the moment in 2009 when SK delegation come to Indonesia for that purpose.

This is also why I oppose the plan to buy F15 EX and alhamdulillah so far look like the plan will be abandon.

Despite KF21/ IFX is still using some US components, but long the way we will likely see less and less US components inside it as the plane according to the plan will keep being developed and upgraded with both Korea and Indonesia will try to add more local components.

At this moment for example, at least 70 - 80% of the plane already used both SK and Indonesia local content with SK has at least 60 % local content contribution.
 
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falcon said:
Indians may not be perceived in a positive way, but I feel that Pakistan has negative reputation overall. Regardless it is beneficial if India is shown to be more radical to the rest of the world
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Pakistan's negative image really started in late 90s when the stupid Afghan Taliban regime was sheltering Bin Laden while Bin Laden was blowing up the American embassies in Africa and targeting the USS Cole etc etc. And Pakistan was one of the few countries which recognized the Mullah Umar Taliban regime but that was to deny India any space in Afghanistan and nothing more.
Anyway, not only the Bin Laden tactics were counter productive and cruel but sheltering him was Afghan Taliban's historic mistake: They were challenging a super power at its peak. And contrary to what many believe: Pakistan not only tried to moderate the social behavior of the Afghan Taliban regime but also asked them let go of the futile alliance with Al Qaida but the Afghan Taliban were too stupid with their 'hospitality' culture. Pakistan even facilitated the 1998 strike by Americans to take out Bin Laden in Afghanistan but he barely got away.
In summary, Pakistan had been deftly playing its diplomatic cards since 1947 but could not manage the Middle Eastern wars coming to Afghanistan where the Afghans couldn't do the right things. And then 9/11 happened and instantly Musharraf knew that Pakistan was in grave danger because of 'guilt by association' even though there was nothing to be gained by associating with the likes of Bin Laden. BTW, the Bin Laden assassination raid was actually based on the intelligence provided by the Pakistani intelligence to the CIA and even Obama acknowledged that. But the 'image' problem of Pakistan persists because Pakistanis stupidly didn't run with the Obama's recognition of Pakistan's help and instead let Indians feed the conspiracy theories about Pakistan's 'complicity'. But Americans really know what happened then and so Americans have never really targeted or officially blamed Pakistan for 'sheltering' Bin Laden.
And here we are: Pakistan is 'wrongly accused'.
 
Meengla said:
Pakistan's negative image really started in late 90s when the stupid Afghan Taliban regime was sheltering Bin Laden while Bin Laden was blowing up the American embassies in Africa and targeting the USS Cole etc etc. And Pakistan was one of the few countries which recognized the Mullah Umar Taliban regime but that was to deny India any space in Afghanistan and nothing more.
Anyway, not only the Bin Laden tactics were counter productive and cruel but sheltering him was Afghan Taliban's historic mistake: They were challenging a super power at its peak. And contrary to what many believe: Pakistan not only tried to moderate the social behavior of the Afghan Taliban regime but also asked them let go of the futile alliance with Al Qaida but the Afghan Taliban were too stupid with their 'hospitality' culture. Pakistan even facilitated the 1998 strike by Americans to take out Bin Laden in Afghanistan but he barely got away.
In summary, Pakistan had been deftly playing its diplomatic cards since 1947 but could not manage the Middle Eastern wars coming to Afghanistan where the Afghans couldn't do the right things. And then 9/11 happened and instantly Musharraf knew that Pakistan was in grave danger because of 'guilt by association' even though there was nothing to be gained by associating with the likes of Bin Laden. BTW, the Bin Laden assassination raid was actually based on the intelligence provided by the Pakistani intelligence to the CIA and even Obama acknowledged that. But the 'image' problem of Pakistan persists because Pakistanis stupidly didn't run with the Obama's recognition of Pakistan's help and instead let Indians feed the conspiracy theories about Pakistan's 'complicity'. But Americans really know what happened then and so Americans have never really targeted or officially blamed Pakistan for 'sheltering' Bin Laden.
And here we are: Pakistan is 'wrongly accused'.
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Just a day or two ago, Pakistan's one of the best journalists Mansoor Ali Khan said something like 'Bin Laden was targeting the Pakistani state and Pakistani civilians. There was no problem for Pakistan to have him gone'.
But for 14 years, Pakistanis were swimming in conspiracy theories about the Bin Laden raid. Well, fine, there was no raid, fine he was already dead. But here was the international Hitler Reincarnate which Pakistan helped killed. And you would rather have the Indians run with the narrative when it was Pakistan which had helped nab Bin Laden?? Why such obviously useful narrative was not used by Pakistanis is beyond my understanding. Me and @MastanKhan and maybe a few others since 2011 Bin Laden raid had tried to bring up the Pakistani support to the Americans to take out Bin Laden but most other Pakistanis missed the golden opportunity to run with Obama's own words where he credited Pakistan for helping nab Bin Laden. India has been milking the Bin Laden raid in every Western media to accuse Pakistan of complicity. A false claim but when Pakistanis themselves didn't cash in their help to nab Bin Laden then why blame the Indians?? It sickens me how lazy, unimaginative people are!
 
south block 2 said:
Delusion of members here is mind boggling..... There country proper get bombed along with 11 front line air bases successfully & all the looser have is social media Photoshop bravado. The cope here is insane.....Operation Bunyan-um Marsoos turned out to be a failure of epic proportions, a dud Lmao!...... Pure Center of gravity of Pakistan military at display :ROFLMAO:
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you do realise your planes were knocked from the sky and your air bases were hit including S400
 
Maarkhoor said:
Update: After humiliating defeat by PAF Indian air force aerobatic team "Surya Kiran" withdraws from LIMA 25.

@RescueRanger
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I fully expect them to not show up anywhere (in the near future) lolz.

Imagine the morale at iaf, lolz.
How will they face each other and future recruits ?
 
LC150 said:
you do realise your planes were knocked from the sky and your air bases were hit including S400
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they will be in denial next 50 yrs. Let them be. Its useless telling them.

someone posted a video about french team in india , i guess they came to count their jets?
 
Meengla said:
Just a day or two ago, Pakistan's one of the best journalists Mansoor Ali Khan said something like 'Bin Laden was targeting the Pakistani state and Pakistani civilians. There was no problem for Pakistan to have him gone'.
But for 14 years, Pakistanis were swimming in conspiracy theories about the Bin Laden raid. Well, fine, there was no raid, fine he was already dead. But here was the international Hitler Reincarnate which Pakistan helped killed. And you would rather have the Indians run with the narrative when it was Pakistan which had helped nab Bin Laden?? Why such obviously useful narrative was not used by Pakistanis is beyond my understanding. Me and @MastanKhan and maybe a few others since 2011 Bin Laden raid had tried to bring up the Pakistani support to the Americans to take out Bin Laden but most other Pakistanis missed the golden opportunity to run with Obama's own words where he credited Pakistan for helping nab Bin Laden. India has been milking the Bin Laden raid in every Western media to accuse Pakistan of complicity. A false claim but when Pakistanis themselves didn't cash in their help to nab Bin Laden then why blame the Indians?? It sickens me how lazy, unimaginative people are!
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Journalists like Mansoor Ali Khan,, selling Fridges and now self proclaimed Journalist .........what you expect from them...for sale 24/7.
 
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