Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion
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Raj-Hindustani
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Well, i can not reply more here since i know that i'll get thread ban
But honestly, I have already given my opinion!
Two critical notable points in this conflict:
- IAF lacks sufficient AWACS, EW systems, and modern tech integration.
- PAK lacks strong air defence systems.
PAF operating over Indian skies will be extremely difficult, as India’s air defence network continues to grow stronger with new systems.
People here may hype PAF all day, but in a real war, its current capabilities are suited only for the most limited conflict — geographically, PAF has many disadvantages. Air bases are exposed, and even don't have similar Iranian underground bases. its does not have large geographically areas with safe distance
India’s priority now should be to accelerate technological upgrades for the IAF — that’s the missing piece. That's the most serious concern that should be for Indian planners.
I know I might get heat for saying this — maybe even fired from the thread — but facts are facts.
Today it's about supersonic; tomorrow it'll be hypersonic.
The game is moving fast, and only those who evolve with it will stay in play.
In the end, the side with stronger air defenses and a sharper, tech-driven strategy will have the upper hand. That’s the reality — whether people like it or not.
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Olympus81
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To some members comment that PAF AD is not upto the mark.
On May 8, 9 the Indians sent in waves after waves of drones, to identify AD locations, which then would be used to perform SEAD or DEAD operations on.
The PA response was calculated to purposely not engage the drones unless they come close to vital installations.
On May 10, there were salvos of Brahmos fired probably from Aircrafts or ground based installations. Alot of them were able to be intercepted by Pakistani AD or soft-killed. Some, however seeped through and inflicted damage to Pakistani airfields.
It essentially comes down to cost effectiveness. Is it worth investing in ADs to cover all parts of Pakistan or the budget is better off being invested in other areas.
After the night of 8 May, the IAF were operating 200km from IB in their territory. The PL15 has done a good job giving Pakistan strategic depth well into Indian territory.
On May 8, 9 the Indians sent in waves after waves of drones, to identify AD locations, which then would be used to perform SEAD or DEAD operations on.
The PA response was calculated to purposely not engage the drones unless they come close to vital installations.
On May 10, there were salvos of Brahmos fired probably from Aircrafts or ground based installations. Alot of them were able to be intercepted by Pakistani AD or soft-killed. Some, however seeped through and inflicted damage to Pakistani airfields.
It essentially comes down to cost effectiveness. Is it worth investing in ADs to cover all parts of Pakistan or the budget is better off being invested in other areas.
After the night of 8 May, the IAF were operating 200km from IB in their territory. The PL15 has done a good job giving Pakistan strategic depth well into Indian territory.
hydrabadi_arab
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That sound like dream scenario for India but its impossible to destroy 1 airbase with 1-2 brahmons. They would have to fire 50 and 2/3 will be intercepted.
Pakistan armed forces would have to be sleeping for a day or two for that to happen.
Give it 6-12 months and I bet our AD will become even better.
Maarkhoor
Snake Eater
We have air defense but we prefer to use against priced targets not against kamakazi or cheap ebay drones.Well, i can not reply more here since i know that i'll get thread ban
But honestly, I have already given my opinion!
Two critical notable points in this conflict:
If a full-scale war begins, India will likely target PAF airbases first, grounding their fleet before takeoff — something India has shown it's capable of doing.
- IAF lacks sufficient AWACS, EW systems, and modern tech integration.
- PAK lacks strong air defence systems.
PAF operating over Indian skies will be extremely difficult, as India’s air defence network continues to grow stronger with new systems.
People here may hype PAF all day, but in a real war, its current capabilities are suited only for the most limited conflict — geographically, PAF has many disadvantages. Air bases are exposed, and even don't have similar Iranian underground bases. its does not have large geographically areas with safe distance
India’s priority now should be to accelerate technological upgrades for the IAF — that’s the missing piece. That's the most serious concern that should be for Indian planners.
I know I might get heat for saying this — maybe even fired from the thread — but facts are facts.
Today it's about supersonic; tomorrow it'll be hypersonic.
The game is moving fast, and only those who evolve with it will stay in play.
In the end, the side with stronger air defenses and a sharper, tech-driven strategy will have the upper hand. That’s the reality — whether people like it or not.
We won comprehensively and from your own deep heart you know. Go to washroom look at yourself and ask. Why modi ?
Meengla
Elite Member
Pakistan's military comes from the lower to middle classes. They often start from the bottom: Read General Musa's 'Jawan to General' as an example. So the cultist narrative built to ridicule the Pakistani Generals as 'F-A Pass' actually supports the humble nature of leadership of the Pakistani leadership. The culture of professionalism, discipline and meritocracy runs deep in the Pakistani military otherwise what we just saw against, considering the immense constraints, would not have been possible. In contrast, the world is full of poor countries with less constraints and limitations but with pathetic military forces.
The jealous cultists here are butt hurt as their stupid Dear Leader has painted himself to a corner due to the arrogance, stubbornness and stupidity, and from which I don't see any way out except possibly for the 2029 elections in Pakistan. And by that time, the buddhha, wrinkled-faced leader of the youth will be around 80 years old.
Pakistan Zindabad.
Field Marshal Asim Munir Zindabad.
r3alist
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A lovely post, post more like this, it's much appreciated.
Too much interaction with the goblins, they have more chance to bring you down to their level, then you can bring them up
ghazi52
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Pakistan rubbishes Indian claim of attack on Golden Temple
Pakistani officials cite visa-free Sikh pilgrimage as proof of longstanding interfaith respect.
News Desk
May 20, 2025
Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Pakistan has rejected as "baseless" claims by a senior Indian Army officer that Islamabad had attempted to target the Golden Temple, with drones and missiles in Amritsar city of India's Punjab state, earlier this month.
A spokesperson for Pakistan’s Foreign Office, responding to remarks made by a senior Indian Army officer, said on Tuesday, “We categorically reject the allegations that Pakistan attempted to target the Golden Temple, the most revered place in the Sikh faith.”
“We hold all places of worship in the highest esteem and cannot think of targeting a holy site like the Golden Temple,” the spokesperson added.
The spokesperson further said India had attacked multiple religious sites in Pakistan on the night of May 6 and 7.
Pakistan also highlighted its role in facilitating Sikh religious pilgrimage, pointing to its visa-free access initiative for international pilgrims visiting the Gurdwara Darbar Sahib in Kartarpur.
“Pakistan is the proud custodian of many holy sites of the Sikh faith,” the statement read. “Every year, it welcomes thousands of Sikh pilgrims from across the world. Pakistan also provides visa-free access to the Gurdwara Sahib Kartarpur through the Kartarpur Corridor.”
“In that backdrop, any claim concerning Pakistan’s attempt to target the Golden Temple is absolutely baseless and incorrect,” the spokesperson reiterated.
India-Pakistan standoff
The latest escalation between Pakistan and India began on April 22, when an attack in the IIOJK resort town of Pahalgam killed 26 people. India immediately blamed Pakistan for the incident, despite providing no public evidence.
In response, India undertook a series of hostile actions the next day on April 23, including suspending the 65-year-old Indus Waters Treaty (IWT), cancelling visas for Pakistani citizens, closing the Wagah-Attari border crossing, ordering the shutdown of the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi, and reducing diplomatic staff at each other's embassies.
Pakistan strongly rejected the accusation, calling it unsubstantiated, but took reciprocal measures through its National Security Committee (NSC). These included halting trade with India, closing Pakistani airspace to Indian aircraft, and other countersteps.
Tensions further escalated in the early hours of May 7, when missile strikes hit six cities in Punjab and Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK), destroying a mosque and killing dozens of civilians, including women, children, and the elderly.
In a swift military response, Pakistan’s armed forces shot down Indian warplanes, including three Rafale jets, widely regarded as a key asset of the Indian Air Force. Over the following two days, India launched waves of Israeli-made drones, which were also neutralised by Pakistan's military.
The confrontation intensified again in the early hours of May 10, when India targeted several Pakistani airbases with missile strikes. In retaliation, Pakistan launched Operation Bunyanum Marsoos, damaging Indian military installations, including missile storage sites, airbases, and other strategic targets.
By Saturday evening, US President Donald Trump announced that a ceasefire had been reached following intense diplomatic efforts overnight. Minutes later, the agreement was confirmed separately by Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar and the Indian foreign secretary.
But despite the military ceasefire the war of narratives has waged on.
While Pakistan publicly credited US President Donald Trump — along with China and Gulf states — for playing a vital role in defusing tensions, India downplayed foreign involvement.
Indian officials have insisted the truce was the result of direct bilateral talks.
Trump, has however, reiterated his stance twice following the initial announcement.
Raj-Hindustani
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Sorry, my friend — but I’ve never heard such nonsense.
Every single life matters. A country that picks and chooses whose life is worth saving has already lost the moral ground. Most serious nations don’t operate like that — and neither should anyone.
In real war, saving lives isn’t about cost. If you're worried about the price tag, you're not ready to fight — and definitely not ready to win.
Ali_Baba
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Well, i can not reply more here since i know that i'll get thread ban
But honestly, I have already given my opinion!
Two critical notable points in this conflict:
If a full-scale war begins, India will likely target PAF airbases first, grounding their fleet before takeoff — something India has shown it's capable of doing.
- IAF lacks sufficient AWACS, EW systems, and modern tech integration.
- PAK lacks strong air defence systems.
That threat is recognised and will be addressed quite soon I would imagine. PAF does learn, innovate and progress forward. PAFs IADS will be upgraded against saturation attacks and systems will be procured for end-stage defence of airbases. What this conflict illustrated that the Brahmos can be shot down as it is very vulnerable in its end stage attack profile. What PAF has to do is better defend against saturation attacks. The capability of Brahmos is now understood and exposed. PAF has demonstrated it can track Brahmos launches and track them all the way.
PAF did not have a problem taking out S400s and was operating freely over Indian airspace for its operations when it decided to respond to India. Where was this fabled IADS then ??? In fact, where was the IAF? It was a golden opportunity to restore honour, but they grounded themselves! The S400 is now a defeated platform by the CM-400AKG and it has been beaten black and blue in the Ukranian-Russian war. S400 is a non-entity going forward.
Airbase defence will be tightened up for sure. India will need the next decade trying to catch-up to where PAF is right now. Where do you think PAF will be in 10 years from now? I will remind you that the IAF said that it had installed SDRs for secure comms on its entire fleet including Rafales yet PAF hacked the comms of the IAF. We all got hear how confused Godzilla 4 was on what was going on around him. So, even if the IAF does something, will it be done correctly?? IAF does not have a good tracking record of getting things right.
Your 'facts' are an 'optimistic wish list', that based on all historical evidence, the IAF is not up to delivering! Why do you think it will be any better going forward from here?
The human resource quality of the IAF is very poor, we can see that in all spheres of its operations, its conduct and its strategy to grow the IAF and its capabilities over the last decade. That resource quality seems to degrade every year, not get better...
Yes - and Pakistan will be working on hypersonic systems as well. PAF has learnt the lesson of Brahmos and will deliver that capability. Question is, can India defend against Brahmos better than Pakistan did? Look at how large India is, once PAF decides to deploy long range cruise missiles, then how will India fair? India will have far more problems in defence than Pakistan will... So yes, the game is moving fast, but India is about 20 years behind from where PAF is now it seems.
Indians have been saying this ever since i started to look at Pakistani defence sites in 1996, all the way back to the original "defenders of Pakistan" website, they failed then and have failed in this every year since!!!!
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RescueRanger
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ghazi52
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India again denies US role in mediating Pakistan ceasefire
Tensions between both countries flared after a deadly April 22 attack in Pahalgam
News Desk
May 20, 2025
Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri addresses the media, announcing India’s response to the Pahalgam terror attack, in New Delhi on Wednesday, April 23, 2025. Courtesy: Indian Ministry of External Affairs/ File
India’s Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri has again contradicted the United States’ account of Washington’s role in mediating the recent ceasefire agreement between New Delhi and Islamabad.
Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri told members of the parliamentary standing committee on external affairs that the "truce was a result of bilateral discussions, initiated by Pakistan, and that no third party—including the US—was involved in the process."
During a closed-door session of the Parliamentary Committee on External Affairs, Misri claimed that Pakistan initiated the contact for a ceasefire on May 10 via the Director General Military Operations (DGMO) channels.
He further claimed that Indian DGMO Lt Gen Rajiv Ghai was initially unavailable but later engaged with his Pakistani counterpart Maj Gen Kashif Abdullah in two rounds of talks, which led to the agreement to halt hostilities, Hindustan Times reported.
Refuting repeated claims by US President Donald Trump that Washington played a role in brokering peace, Misri said Trump’s comments were made via social media and not through official diplomatic channels.
Misri further noted that Trump had since softened his language, shifting from "mediation" to offering "help."
Meengla
Elite Member
Pravin's latest. Of course we can't take everything he says as a Gospel but starting this part of the video he is saying most of what we already know about the China-Pakistan collaboration which is going to increase even more; the failed Indian narrative and the futility of Sashi Tharoor led diplomatic inititive by India. But he also seems to be saying that it will be Pakistan which will resume the hostilities?? [Sorry, not enough time for me to watch long interviews and I skimmed through this]
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