Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Threat to Pakistan is grave from inside Pakistan itself. No matter how much we blame India, how much we blame Afghanistan, there is no denying that there is an ideological presence in Pakistan which enabled the taking over of the Swat Valley in late 2000s to make that beautiful peaceful region another Mullah Umar's Afghanistan. The cancer is present inside Pakistan; you know, they are 'Our own people which the Army is bombing to get the American Dollars' as said by a Pakistani leader many times. And these people are being funded by Modi to provide drones to target Pakistani assets inside Pakistan.
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India in Trouble! China & Pakistan Closing In – Kashmir & Arunachal Slipping Away!​


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PakShaheen_79 said:
In other words you are accepting that Sidhu sahib in his long tenure failed to produce a single officer capable to take his place. PAF performance in every conflict is a team effort. BTW, I am really thankful to him for not release any new PR video on PAF youTube channel filled with mantra of "CAS vision" ...
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Compare that to ACM Rao Qamar Salman's response to when offered an extension as a "war time" chief during ZArdari's tenure.
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
Well, i can not reply more here since i know that i'll get thread ban🤭

But honestly, I have already given my opinion!

Two critical notable points in this conflict:
  • IAF lacks sufficient AWACS, EW systems, and modern tech integration.
  • PAK lacks strong air defence systems.
If a full-scale war begins, India will likely target PAF airbases first, grounding their fleet before takeoff — something India has shown it's capable of doing.

PAF operating over Indian skies will be extremely difficult, as India’s air defence network continues to grow stronger with new systems.

People here may hype PAF all day, but in a real war, its current capabilities are suited only for the most limited conflict — geographically, PAF has many disadvantages. Air bases are exposed, and even don't have similar Iranian underground bases. its does not have large geographically areas with safe distance

India’s priority now should be to accelerate technological upgrades for the IAF — that’s the missing piece. That's the most serious concern that should be for Indian planners.

I know I might get heat for saying this — maybe even fired from the thread — but facts are facts.

Today it's about supersonic; tomorrow it'll be hypersonic.
The game is moving fast, and only those who evolve with it will stay in play.

In the end, the side with stronger air defenses and a sharper, tech-driven strategy will have the upper hand. That’s the reality — whether people like it or not.
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You'd think... Pakistan has early mover advantage. Expect a greater no fly zone bubble over India. India will have to increasingly move further in land at safe distances for self preservation.
What you have described is an asymmetric approach by India, resorting immediately to surface to surface systems with diminishing returns. A cost prohibitive yet a limited results solution.
What you have failed to grasp is the fact that India lost its planes in its own territory at STANDOFF ranges. Which means Pakistan has already established a bubble/envelope inside India further limiting the available platforms.
Pakistans limitations in territory and depth had dictated its policies, the result is a more agile force... take JF17 for example ... it reflects Pakistans posture perfectly. Swift, devastating and on guard.
It also means that Indian ground movement is severely curtailed and larger movements nearly impossible. However, a larger Indian preemptive strike on air fields, systems or asymmetric measure do present a challenge. However using any such measure would be unrealistic, unless accomplished poses greater threat to India and if considered as a decapitation strike takes escalation to the highest level... provoking perhaps the ultimate response from Pakistan. So, it remains low on probability, yet not impossible.
 
Maarkhoor said:
Indian start cursing Trump.....

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It's a good "diplomatic" move! It shows that Bharat approached for de-escalation and ceasefire; hence, Pakistan, by default, is the winner....
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
You'd think... Pakistan has early mover advantage. Expect a greater no fly zone bubble over India. India will have to increasingly move further in land at safe distances for self preservation.
What you have described is an asymmetric approach by India, resorting immediately to surface to surface systems with diminishing returns. A cost prohibitive yet a limited results solution.
What you have failed to grasp is the fact that India lost its planes in its own territory at STANDOFF ranges. Which means Pakistan has already established a bubble/envelope inside India further limiting the available platforms.
Pakistans limitations in territory and depth had dictated its policies, the result is a more agile force... take JF17 for example ... it reflects Pakistans posture perfectly. Swift, devastating and on guard.
It also means that Indian ground movement is severely curtailed and larger movements nearly impossible. However, a larger Indian preemptive strike on air fields, systems or asymmetric measure do present a challenge. However using any such measure would be unrealistic, unless accomplished poses greater threat to India and if considered as a decapitation strike takes escalation to the highest level... provoking perhaps the ultimate response from Pakistan. So, it remains low on probability, yet not impossible.
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The claim that there was “no fly zone bubble” over India is simply incorrect.
Indian aircraft were patrolling continuously during all four days — that’s a verified fact.

Let’s be clear: deep airstrike missions over enemy airspace are no longer simple.
This isn’t Afghanistan, where there’s little to no air defense. Today’s contested airspaces — especially between two well-equipped nations — are heavily monitored and protected.

Warfare has evolved.
There was a time when tanks and attack helicopters dominated the battlefield. Now, they have limitations. The same applies to fighter aircraft — flying over hostile territory with modern air defense systems in place is extremely risky. That’s exactly why stealth technology is in demand. Traditional aircraft face a high probability of being detected and hit.

This isn’t the pre-1980s era anymore. Modern integrated air defense systems have changed the rules of engagement.

So now thats the reason – people talk about UAV and kamikaze drone etc
 
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Raj-Hindustani said:
grounding their fleet before takeoff — something India has shown it's capable of doing.
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This is inaccurate PAF during the limited conflict was not grounded. Israel with a smaller area to defend had all their key air assets dispersed during TP2 and Pak is much bigger.
 
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ghazi52 said:

India to resume border ceremony with Pakistan​

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India said on Tuesday it would resume a daily border ceremony with neighbouring Pakistan which it briefly halted earlier this month following the most serious conflict between the nuclear armed arch-rivals for decades.

At least 60 people died in fighting triggered by an April 22 attack on tourists in Indian Illegally occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK) that New Delhi accused Islamabad of backing – a charge Pakistan denies.

India’s Border Security force said the sunset ceremony on its side would be open to the media on Tuesday and to the general public on Wednesday at the Attari-Wagah land border in the northern state of Punjab.

Pakistan said it never stopped the ceremony, with its troops marching on its side of the border alone.

The ceremony however is expected to be a low-key affair with diplomatic measures against Pakistan still in place, including the closure of the land border.

For years, the ceremony at the Attari-Wagah border has been a popular tourist attraction.

Visitors from both sides come to cheer on soldiers goose-stepping in a chest-puffing theatrical show of pageantry.

The frontier was a colonial creation at the violent end of British rule in 1947 which sliced the sub-continent into Hindu-majority India and Muslim-majority Pakistan.

The daily border ritual has largely endured over the decades, surviving innumerable diplomatic flare-ups and military skirmishes.
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This ceremony is pointless and a clown show, a relic of the colonial past. It should be abolished from the Pakistan side, the flag show never be lowered, the crowd seating should be demolished, and the border crossing should be heavily guarded with appropriate forces. If the Indians want prance around like turkeys and puff their chests, let them behave like clowns.
 
M. Sarmad said:
That's full blown masterclass in self-congratulatory delusion... the absolute pinnacle of auto-fellatio.... But let them have it... anything that adds a little extra sting to India’s bruised ego is a win for Pakistan...
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Ret humiliated Baja once said
"Woh aya tu nani yaad dila thy ga".
Another quote from Kingdom of heavens
" Your quality will be know among your enemies".
I think everyone will agree that this was the biggest humiliation of India given by Pakistan in entire history and walked away not only sanction free but also got billion plus more billions or possibly trillions investment in Pakistan...
This victory was achieved by everyone especially Pak armed forces... however it required a man with a GUTS to lead .. and YES Asim did it and thoroughly deserves to be Field Marshal.....
 
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Raj-Hindustani said:
The claim that there was “no fly zone bubble” over India is simply incorrect.
Indian aircraft were patrolling continuously during all four days — that’s a verified fact.

Let’s be clear: deep airstrike missions over enemy airspace are no longer simple.
This isn’t Afghanistan, where there’s little to no air defense. Today’s contested airspaces — especially between two well-equipped nations — are heavily monitored and protected.

Warfare has evolved.
There was a time when tanks and attack helicopters dominated the battlefield. Now, they have limitations. The same applies to fighter aircraft — flying over hostile territory with modern air defense systems in place is extremely risky. That’s exactly why stealth technology is in demand. Traditional aircraft face a high probability of being detected and hit.

This isn’t the pre-1980s era anymore. Modern integrated air defense systems have changed the rules of engagement.

So now thats the reason – people talk about UAV and kamikaze drone etc
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Deeper inside India... second, only planes that were deploying their munitions were engaged.
Drones have severe limitations they're cheaper alternatives against manned platforms. The effective envelope over India has set a precedence and only a misadventure from India can challenge or further reinforce that...
There is no way India can redeem itself from its current predicament. The bellicose rhetoric and pressure from jingos make it plausible that elements within India may make another attempt.
Remember this is well within conventional domain and India has no answer.
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
Well, i can not reply more here since i know that i'll get thread ban🤭

But honestly, I have already given my opinion!

Two critical notable points in this conflict:
  • IAF lacks sufficient AWACS, EW systems, and modern tech integration.
  • PAK lacks strong air defence systems.
If a full-scale war begins, India will likely target PAF airbases first, grounding their fleet before takeoff — something India has shown it's capable of doing.

PAF operating over Indian skies will be extremely difficult, as India’s air defence network continues to grow stronger with new systems.

People here may hype PAF all day, but in a real war, its current capabilities are suited only for the most limited conflict — geographically, PAF has many disadvantages. Air bases are exposed, and even don't have similar Iranian underground bases. its does not have large geographically areas with safe distance

India’s priority now should be to accelerate technological upgrades for the IAF — that’s the missing piece. That's the most serious concern that should be for Indian planners.

I know I might get heat for saying this — maybe even fired from the thread — but facts are facts.

Today it's about supersonic; tomorrow it'll be hypersonic.
The game is moving fast, and only those who evolve with it will stay in play.

In the end, the side with stronger air defenses and a sharper, tech-driven strategy will have the upper hand. That’s the reality — whether people like it or not.
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It's not that simple for India

The IAF has

Russian Su30s, mig 29 and mig 21s
French Rafael's, Mirages
British jaguars
Miscellaneous Tejas

Could have AMCA, su57, f35, ncap etc

It's not just about India inducting AWACs and ew,,, how do you make all this mixed up planes talk to each other and work together?



Pakistan can induct more high end Turkish and Chinese AD and the FAAZ program for lower tier A.D

Induct more fatah series for strikes

Work out best package between Chinese, Turkish and indigenous drones

Keep on plan for naval and airforce inductions of subs and J35, KAAN, pFX etc
 
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