El Sidd
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Pakistan should accept the F16 losses and tell the world how Russian made Brahmos took out American technology both in the air and ground.
It is clear that India's primary targets were the American technology.
Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion
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Pakistan should accept the F16 losses and tell the world how Russian made Brahmos took out American technology both in the air and ground.
It is clear that India's primary targets were the American technology.
Guynextdoor
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1) A bigger escalation. A Prthvi can carry both nuclear and conventional weapons. One can argue the enemy is unclear if it's a nuclear attack or a conventional attack and retaliate, despite India's no- first use policy
2) Shorter flight path, a missile taking off and flying to Pak can be traked from a longer distance and theorectically stopped- but Chinese systems didn't seem to perform very well this time anways
3) Rafale had better standoff weapons and EW capabilties. But Su 30 was also well used.
iblini
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I used to diss those report of IQ ranking until I see you kind.
PAKISTANFOREVER
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Any surprise? indians live in a delusional fantasy world where they are masters of the universe.
Vapnope
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American, chinese are junk maal, Indian maal is the bestest saaar.
El Sidd
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Indians regularly paint Americans as lazy obese and slow. They believe without Indian executives, the American economy would crumble overnight.
Jaishankar and Arnab are adamant that America must learn from India, the largest democracy while Sashmi Tharor yesterday called Donald Trump a subhuman chutiya.
Abdul q
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Atleast the pilot and his nation won’t have to face the parade of humiliation like abhilundone…
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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because targets chosen were beyond AJK (I m not a military or weapons expert, just my observations based on reading and news).
1. there are reports of drones flying when bombs fell on children (discussed and shown on republic tv that night)
2. it was meant to be more than bombing, meant to show, who really owned the skies
3. bombing targets that were chosen were spread across large area (cruise missiles would have meant an act of war and attack on civilians, a sheer need to avoid repercussion in UNSC)
Master Chief
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Excellent article.To what I was saying earlier, Jaishanker's balancing act of foreign relations and keeping domestic BJP audience happy is falling apart....
Dr. Jaishankar’s Doctrine of Denial: When ‘Your Problem is Yours’ Backfires on the Global Stage
-By: A Special Correspondent
(Lanka-e-News -25.May.2025, 11.00 PM) There’s a certain diplomatic grace in saying absolutely nothing of substance with an air of philosophical grandeur. Dr. S. Jaishankar, India’s eternally unflappable External Affairs Minister, has turned this art into an Olympic event. But alas, even the best tightrope walkers occasionally wobble—and Dr. Jaishankar is now dangling, awkwardly, between Washington’s fury and New Delhi’s pride.
At the heart of the debacle is his once-celebrated, now-regretted foreign policy mantra: “Your problem is yours. Our problem is ours.” Simple. Stoic. And, as it turns out, spectacularly shortsighted.
Enter: The Phalgam Incident—a brief but blistering cross-border confrontation with Pakistan that began with the usual diplomatic muscle-flexing and ended, rather abruptly, with a ceasefire. But not just any ceasefire. No. This one, according to several well-placed American officials, was brokered by none other than former US President Donald J. Trump in a late-night call marathon that reportedly included threats, flattery, and an ill-timed anecdote about golf.
Trump’s Trumpeting, Jaishankar’s Sulking
President Trump, never one to miss an opportunity to insert himself into international headlines (even post-presidency), claimed he personally “defused the Indo-Pak bomb situation.” Naturally, in Trumpian tradition, he added that both Modi and Shehbaz Sherieff, “thanked him profusely,” and that “no one ever saw such beautiful diplomacy.”
Except Dr. Jaishankar.
India’s top diplomat, in a manner that can only be described as passive-aggressive grandmastery, publicly downplayed Trump’s role, stating that the ceasefire was “a mutual understanding between India and Pakistan’s military leaderships” and “not orchestrated by any external power.”
That statement, seemingly crafted to resemble a standard diplomatic shrug, landed in Washington like a diplomatic slap. The State Department, not known for issuing press releases in response to foreign ministers trying to ghost their President, released a rare clarification: “The United States played a constructive role in facilitating dialogue.” Translation: Stop lying, we have the call logs.
Diplomatic Fallout & Business Backlash
In an ideal world, this would have been a mere blip in the perpetual soap opera of international diplomacy. But India, it seems, has found itself locked in a PR war not just with Islamabad, but inadvertently with Washington.
The American Chamber of Commerce in India, otherwise happy to sip chai and ink deals, is now privately lobbying Prime Minister Narendra Modi to “reassess” Dr. Jaishankar’s position. One particularly blunt American CEO reportedly told a Modi aide: “Your man insulted our man. Fix it—or we’ll fix our investments elsewhere.”
Business leaders in Mumbai and Delhi are quietly echoing the sentiment. With Indo-US trade talks stalling and murmurs of a delay in semiconductor collaborations, Jaishankar’s bravado is starting to cost rupees. And when the rupees bleed, the knives are unsheathed.
Modi’s Dilemma: To Sack or Not to Sack?
For Prime Minister Modi, this is now a matter of managing egos—both foreign and domestic. Jaishankar is no lightweight. A former diplomat to China and the US, he commands respect within the foreign service and among nationalist circles. But no one is indispensable—not when they're making Donald Trump look like the grown-up in the room.
Rumours swirl in South Block that Modi is “reviewing all aspects” of his foreign policy team. Translation: someone’s head may roll, and Jaishankar’s is sticking up the highest.
Insiders say that the Prime Minister was “deeply displeased” with how the ceasefire narrative unfolded, especially the fact that it allowed Pakistan and China to frame the skirmish as a joint victory over Indian aggression—and let Trump claim the moral high ground. A diplomatic triple-whammy.
The Doctrine Dilemma
It’s worth revisiting Jaishankar’s doctrine of “problem compartmentalisation.” In the drawing rooms of Delhi, it once sounded like Confucius with a PhD. But global diplomacy, especially in Asia, doesn’t allow for philosophical detachment when missiles are flying and economies are tethered.
The world, as it turns out, cares deeply about everyone else’s problems—especially when those problems involve two nuclear neighbours with a shared history of hostility and hubris.
By rejecting the idea that the US had any influence in the ceasefire, Dr. Jaishankar wasn’t just diminishing Trump—he was also telling the West: We don’t need you. Unfortunately, the West controls the boardrooms that fund the tech corridors of Bengaluru and the mega defence deals signed in Washington hotel lobbies.
A Growing Credibility Crisis
Perhaps the most ironic twist is that, in trying to preserve India’s strategic autonomy, Jaishankar may have damaged its strategic credibility. Western allies now ask: if India can’t even acknowledge assistance from its supposed strategic partner, how dependable is that partnership?
British officials, too, are said to be quietly bemused. One diplomat at the Foreign Office quipped, “If Jaishankar thinks telling the truth is too inconvenient, perhaps we should stop sharing intelligence as well. After all, our problem is ours, no?”
Jaishankar, the Philosopher Without a Plan?
There’s no denying Dr. Jaishankar’s intellect. But in today’s hyper-connected world, high-minded detachment is not diplomacy—it’s denial. The line between preserving national dignity and self-sabotaging credibility is a thin one, and it appears Dr. Jaishankar has done a triple somersault off it.
As Modi prepares for yet another round of foreign summits, he now carries an additional burden: explaining why his foreign minister insists on rewriting ceasefire history while everyone else is trying to avoid World War III.
In the end, perhaps the most damning verdict comes not from Trump or Biden, but from an Indian industrialist overheard in a Delhi golf club:
"Next time, let Jaishankar philosophise at an ashram. Let someone else do the diplomacy."
LEN - www.lankaenews.com | Dr. Jaishankar’s Doctrine of Denial: When ‘Your Problem is Yours’ Backfires on the Global Stage
(Lanka-e-News -25.May.2025, 11.00 PM) There’s a certain diplomatic grace in saying absolutely nothing of substance with an air of philosophical grandeur. Dr. S. Jaishankar, India’s eternally unflappable External Affairs Minister, has turned this art into awww.lankaenews.com
However:
"was brokered by none other than former US President Donald J. Trump"
What in the multiverse?
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
Trusted Member
there has been no major tech breakthrough these Indian CEOs have produced in the last 15 years, in any field.
on the other hand, China has developed 5g network, producded chips, quantum computers and is now nearly a leader in quantum computing (you dont become quant leader unless you are doing well at atomic and quantum level socially and economically).
Master Chief
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The decoys were truly fantastic. So fantastic that they flew with real pilots, real missiles that ignited after the crash impact, real ejector seats for the aforementioned real pilots, and real jet fighter purchase receipts for which France and Russia have copies for their upcoming audit.
Yousafzai_M
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There is too much bravado which, though understandable, is rather uncalled for and actually silly.
Its not like we have beaten India for good and destroyed its military. Its a major military power and 5th (or 4th?) largest economy in the world! We are far away from both!
They can afford a long, sustained war if they decide upon it - we cannot.
They will have Americans and Europeans and Arabs supporting them, not because they are right but because 'its business'.
They have the size, money, political and diplomatic clout, the narrative and the will and intention to beat us. Never underestimate your enemy.
So while we won this round - because of the help of Allah, more than anything else - we must stay humble. Allah does not like takabbur.
Its not like we have beaten India for good and destroyed its military. Its a major military power and 5th (or 4th?) largest economy in the world! We are far away from both!
They can afford a long, sustained war if they decide upon it - we cannot.
They will have Americans and Europeans and Arabs supporting them, not because they are right but because 'its business'.
They have the size, money, political and diplomatic clout, the narrative and the will and intention to beat us. Never underestimate your enemy.
So while we won this round - because of the help of Allah, more than anything else - we must stay humble. Allah does not like takabbur.
Master Chief
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Please, we should be more tolerant as a nation and learn to respect these loons who choose to identify as military experts, just like the drones that identify as fighter jets. India is mashAllah very tolerant of trans aircraft. We will learn from them.
@Guynextdoor
El Sidd
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The goal of these CEOs were to create monopolies and send jobs to India. They have garnered reasonable success.
r3alist
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