Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[El Sidd]

He redeemed the card. Lol

At height of the cold war, American presidents were not mocked by Indians like that. Trump has cracked a new code.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Observing indian statements and actions, as a Pakistani you can only come to one conclusion. Pakistanis in the coming years will be engaged in a racial genocidal war against hindutva india.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

All hail the mighty Dragon!

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[Path-Finder]

hence, the more ever growing need of 'impenetrable defence'!

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whats being said in this video?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

whats being said in this video?

kill yourself but build an offence outside your border with missiles to protect!

 

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[Path-Finder]

Here is where we are:

IAF didn't lose any aircraft Ok maybe we lost some but they were drones!

We fooled the Pakistanis into thinking they were Rafales...

Okay we lost one Rafale, now that the French say so

Okay we lost two, now that the ejection seat pic is out

Okay we lost three, now that the Mirage 2000 engine was photographed

Ok, ok, enough with the pictures, maybe we lost 6 aircraft

But we didn't lose the S400 Even though the serviceman deployed to the S400 unit did die, but that was just a car crash... sure, on the same day as Pakistan attacked with CM400AKGs.
But that was a coincidence! And look at Modi posing with the S400 launcher without the very radar PAF said they destroyed... solid PROOF!

Ok, well now looking at the CM400AKG impact pictures, the dead operator, the missing radar and the fact we're ordering S400 units from Russia... just now... maybe the S400 did get destroyed

But we invaded Lahore Port, Quetta Port, Islamabad Port and Faisalabad Port. Ok, maybe those cities don't have ports

But we destroyed Karachi port... Karachi does have a port we can destroy on evening TV... right?

Ok, well maybe on second thought Karachi port wasn't destroyed

But we bombed Pakistan's nuclear stash in Kirana hills

Ok, maybe that was just one of our missiles soft killed by EW, crashing into rock

But there was a radiation leak and Pakistanis are turning into dragons, ninja turtles and butterflies due to radiation

OK, maybe the IAEA report is correct and there's no radiation

But we've shot down a Pakistani plane... a Mirage powered by a piston engine from a motorcycle

And we have a Pakistani pilot in custody

Ok, maybe that wasn't a plane but a Pakistani drone that got us, rather than us getting it... but pilot!!!

We got him! Two of them... like our 1-900-rent-a-journo buddy Tom says... Chahat Fateh Ali Khan is one of them.

Ok, maybe we don't have those pilots and Burkha Dutt just made it all up! But Pakistanis attacked the Golden Temple! Fo sho!

Ok, maybe they didn't attack the Golden Temple and maybe Christine Fair has insulted us sufficiently on this one so we won't bring it up again But Asim Munir has been replaced in a coup

Ok, maybe he hasn't and has been made Field Marshal instead But Pakistanis are poor and we are rich!!! Ha!

Ok, maybe Pakistan has a larger informal economy and properly accounted for their GDP is much larger than we thought... but ours is $4T

Ok, maybe our GDP is calculated using loose methodologies, has been rebased, and uses aggressive estimates to inflate both the number and growth rate

But Pakistanis do the same!

Ok, maybe they don't do the same and if they did their $411B reported GDP, apples to apples, would be more like $600B... plus their informal economy But the average Indian is so much better off!

Okay, maybe when you factor Pakistan's actual GDP their per capita would be higher and India is twice as densely populated with half the land/resources per capita as Pakistan...

But we are richer, because Ambani's house alone costs $2B... who in Pakistan has a $2B house!?!

Ok, maybe that was a bad example and Ambani overlooks the world's largest slum, but look at his wealth! So impressive!

Ok, maybe his wealth isn't a great thing because India's disparities are growing and its GINI coefficient is lower than Pakistan's, which has fairer wealth distribution

But that's only because the whole world is against us and backing Asim Munir... also ISI, China conspiracy.... waaaahhhhh!!!!! Abki baar Modi sarkar!

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[Path-Finder]

kill yourself but build an offence outside your border with missiles to protect!

so cold war approach of building air defences. which we see from iznotreal doesn't really work!

 

[TopGun786]

To what I was saying earlier, Jaishanker's balancing act of foreign relations and keeping domestic BJP audience happy is falling apart....

Dr. Jaishankar’s Doctrine of Denial: When ‘Your Problem is Yours’ Backfires on the Global Stage​

-By: A Special Correspondent

(Lanka-e-News -25.May.2025, 11.00 PM) There’s a certain diplomatic grace in saying absolutely nothing of substance with an air of philosophical grandeur. Dr. S. Jaishankar, India’s eternally unflappable External Affairs Minister, has turned this art into an Olympic event. But alas, even the best tightrope walkers occasionally wobble—and Dr. Jaishankar is now dangling, awkwardly, between Washington’s fury and New Delhi’s pride.

At the heart of the debacle is his once-celebrated, now-regretted foreign policy mantra: “Your problem is yours. Our problem is ours.” Simple. Stoic. And, as it turns out, spectacularly shortsighted.

Enter: The Phalgam Incident—a brief but blistering cross-border confrontation with Pakistan that began with the usual diplomatic muscle-flexing and ended, rather abruptly, with a ceasefire. But not just any ceasefire. No. This one, according to several well-placed American officials, was brokered by none other than former US President Donald J. Trump in a late-night call marathon that reportedly included threats, flattery, and an ill-timed anecdote about golf.

Trump’s Trumpeting, Jaishankar’s Sulking​

President Trump, never one to miss an opportunity to insert himself into international headlines (even post-presidency), claimed he personally “defused the Indo-Pak bomb situation.” Naturally, in Trumpian tradition, he added that both Modi and Shehbaz Sherieff, “thanked him profusely,” and that “no one ever saw such beautiful diplomacy.”

Except Dr. Jaishankar.

India’s top diplomat, in a manner that can only be described as passive-aggressive grandmastery, publicly downplayed Trump’s role, stating that the ceasefire was “a mutual understanding between India and Pakistan’s military leaderships” and “not orchestrated by any external power.”

That statement, seemingly crafted to resemble a standard diplomatic shrug, landed in Washington like a diplomatic slap. The State Department, not known for issuing press releases in response to foreign ministers trying to ghost their President, released a rare clarification: “The United States played a constructive role in facilitating dialogue.” Translation: Stop lying, we have the call logs.

Diplomatic Fallout & Business Backlash​

In an ideal world, this would have been a mere blip in the perpetual soap opera of international diplomacy. But India, it seems, has found itself locked in a PR war not just with Islamabad, but inadvertently with Washington.

The American Chamber of Commerce in India, otherwise happy to sip chai and ink deals, is now privately lobbying Prime Minister Narendra Modi to “reassess” Dr. Jaishankar’s position. One particularly blunt American CEO reportedly told a Modi aide: “Your man insulted our man. Fix it—or we’ll fix our investments elsewhere.”

Business leaders in Mumbai and Delhi are quietly echoing the sentiment. With Indo-US trade talks stalling and murmurs of a delay in semiconductor collaborations, Jaishankar’s bravado is starting to cost rupees. And when the rupees bleed, the knives are unsheathed.

Modi’s Dilemma: To Sack or Not to Sack?​

For Prime Minister Modi, this is now a matter of managing egos—both foreign and domestic. Jaishankar is no lightweight. A former diplomat to China and the US, he commands respect within the foreign service and among nationalist circles. But no one is indispensable—not when they're making Donald Trump look like the grown-up in the room.

Rumours swirl in South Block that Modi is “reviewing all aspects” of his foreign policy team. Translation: someone’s head may roll, and Jaishankar’s is sticking up the highest.

Insiders say that the Prime Minister was “deeply displeased” with how the ceasefire narrative unfolded, especially the fact that it allowed Pakistan and China to frame the skirmish as a joint victory over Indian aggression—and let Trump claim the moral high ground. A diplomatic triple-whammy.

The Doctrine Dilemma​

It’s worth revisiting Jaishankar’s doctrine of “problem compartmentalisation.” In the drawing rooms of Delhi, it once sounded like Confucius with a PhD. But global diplomacy, especially in Asia, doesn’t allow for philosophical detachment when missiles are flying and economies are tethered.

The world, as it turns out, cares deeply about everyone else’s problems—especially when those problems involve two nuclear neighbours with a shared history of hostility and hubris.


By rejecting the idea that the US had any influence in the ceasefire, Dr. Jaishankar wasn’t just diminishing Trump—he was also telling the West: We don’t need you. Unfortunately, the West controls the boardrooms that fund the tech corridors of Bengaluru and the mega defence deals signed in Washington hotel lobbies.

A Growing Credibility Crisis​

Perhaps the most ironic twist is that, in trying to preserve India’s strategic autonomy, Jaishankar may have damaged its strategic credibility. Western allies now ask: if India can’t even acknowledge assistance from its supposed strategic partner, how dependable is that partnership?

British officials, too, are said to be quietly bemused. One diplomat at the Foreign Office quipped, “If Jaishankar thinks telling the truth is too inconvenient, perhaps we should stop sharing intelligence as well. After all, our problem is ours, no?”

Jaishankar, the Philosopher Without a Plan?​

There’s no denying Dr. Jaishankar’s intellect. But in today’s hyper-connected world, high-minded detachment is not diplomacy—it’s denial. The line between preserving national dignity and self-sabotaging credibility is a thin one, and it appears Dr. Jaishankar has done a triple somersault off it.

As Modi prepares for yet another round of foreign summits, he now carries an additional burden: explaining why his foreign minister insists on rewriting ceasefire history while everyone else is trying to avoid World War III.

In the end, perhaps the most damning verdict comes not from Trump or Biden, but from an Indian industrialist overheard in a Delhi golf club:
"Next time, let Jaishankar philosophise at an ashram. Let someone else do the diplomacy."

LEN - www.lankaenews.com | Dr. Jaishankar’s Doctrine of Denial: When ‘Your Problem is Yours’ Backfires on the Global Stage

(Lanka-e-News -25.May.2025, 11.00 PM) There’s a certain diplomatic grace in saying absolutely nothing of substance with an air of philosophical grandeur. Dr. S. Jaishankar, India’s eternally unflappable External Affairs Minister, has turned this art into a

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The guy is just a stooge with Inferiority complex (he thinks it as superiority complex).
He was thinking he is special. World told him, NO you are not.

 

[TopGun786]

Not accurate. The rport is that
1) IAF used Laksya-PTA and Banshee to simulate signatures of bigger aircraft (Rafale etc,)
2) PAF shot at them thinking they were the real thing and assumed they had been shot when the missiles did hit them
3) After this volley the Rafale quickly moved in, lined up and released the bombs

No publication was given a view of this tactic until the war was 'over'. The wire and hindu removed their articles after being given confidential briefings.

Dear you forgot to mention that you also crashed around 6 dummy jets on your own and spread their pictures and videos to give wrong sense of victory to PAF.
Clown

 

[TopGun786]

You really think PAF pilots have same IQ as you guys

Like you guys can confuse a drone with a Rafale since you guys with your IQ kept staring at planets for several months confusing them to be chinese drones

Indian Army 'Mistakes' Planets For Chinese Drones: A Humorous Glimpse Into Past Amid Beijing's 'Newest' Worry

In an incident that combines military vigilance with the enduring mystery of the night sky, the Indian Army once found itself awkwardly placed when it mistook celestial bodies for Chinese ‘spy drones.’ World’s Most Diverse Fighter Fleet? With Rafale, F-15EX, Su-30, KF-21 In Kitty, TNI-AU Gets...

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You even confused your own MI17 to be a Pakistani drone and shot missiles on it

But our pilots have enough IQ to differentiate between radar signatures and speed of a drone and a Rafale. Stop making fool out of yourself with such childish and moronic stories

Indians are such foolish race.
May be they are still in the middle of evolution.

 

[Meengla]

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@Meengla @Areesh @Oscar @Fatman17 @RescueRanger @Master Chief have you watched this video? WTH !

No, I had not watched this video but this is hilarious! Mr. Dulat is a retired senior officer of the premier Indian intelligence agency RAW with deep knowledge of Kashmir and I value is opinion. He had warned the Modi govt six years ago of consequences for revoking the special status of Indian Occupied Kashmir and he foresaw what was going to happen: Even more alienation of Kashmiris from India. Thanks for sharing.
Perhaps he was drunk during this video

 

[TopGun786]

1) A bigger escalation. A Prthvi can carry both nuclear and conventional weapons. One can argue the enemy is unclear if it's a nuclear attack or a conventional attack and retaliate, despite India's no- first use policy

2) Shorter flight path, a missile taking off and flying to Pak can be traked from a longer distance and theorectically stopped- but Chinese systems didn't seem to perform very well this time anways

3) Rafale had better standoff weapons and EW capabilties. But Su 30 was also well used.

All the IAF jets were "well used" as target practice for PAF.
PAF managed to kill at least one each of the jets.
Only mighty tejas was spared as it was hiding in a "cattle barn".

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

so cold war approach of building air defences. which we see from iznotreal doesn't really work!

it means, sell your defences at a better prices. No point, building it and make it a cage for yourself. Blackmail others, to be straight!