Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

What it proves is a projectiles fired by Pakistan hit a target that is on fire ...geo location shows that this point of observation is 35 miles from the base...its tough to say that you can see the fire beyond the horizon...but its also possible that the defense system wasnt in the base


Regardless it doesnt prove without a doubt a hit on s400 just like we had unrefutable evidence of indian miss(satellite images that showed india missed targets in 2019) and four crash sites videos/pictures of rafale/mirage/su30 in 2025 and satellite images of hanger damage in few of Pakistani bases

Rest is all speculation that have no value

Dude come on...this is very flawed method of timing the video as mentioned by everyone all over X..its obviously from pak-india stand off

Yes it doesnt prove a direct hit on s400 or any indian installation

no, your are right just as much as you're observation's limitation!

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Not every Indian supports the idea of starving 250 million people of fresh water. That would be catastrophic—morally, regionally, and environmentally. I count myself among those who believe that long-term peace and sustainability must prevail over punitive instincts.


However, our neighbors in Pakistan must also understand: these developments around water and infrastructure aren't spontaneous—they're deliberate and strategic. India has begun laying the groundwork. The question is: will the Pakistani establishment recognize this shift before it's too late, or will it fall into the "boiling frog" syndrome—acting only when the damage is irreversible?


Let’s also acknowledge the changing balance of power through an economic lens.

• In 2016, when India conducted the surgical strikes, our GDP stood at $2.16 trillion. Pakistan's GDP was $313 billion.
• In 2019, during the Balakot air strikes, India's GDP had grown to $2.9 trillion, while Pakistan’s was $320 billion.
• Now, in 2025, following Operation SINDOOR, India's GDP is at $4.19 trillion. Pakistan’s stands at approximately $380 billion.

The takeaway is clear: with each crisis, India returns to the table stronger—economically and militarily. It can afford the risks of escalation and strategic signaling. The question Pakistan must ask itself is—can it match that trajectory? Can it bear the costs of continued brinkmanship?

2016 - Long range artillery dual and rest was Bollywood.
2019 - India had no answer to PAF despite having 2.9 trillion USD economy. It is a bigger shame.
2025- Despite being 10 times bigger economic muscle, It was India who forced to run to US for ceasefire.

Net result. Strategically, since 2016, India has failed to deter Pakistan despite constantly growing economic and mil muscle.

Do you ever wonder why it is happening? Throwing money on every problem is not the solution. Here, once again you are doing the same. Trying to win an argument by bringing in economy. Why don't you compare sizes of populations on both sides? Socio-economic indicators? Plus, bigger economy means bigger industrial infrastructure which means more targets to hit from Pakistan and this is exactly what happened on May 10th 2025. Only time from the 3 "crises" you listed above where India tried to escalate things by hitting PAF bases. Pakistan after initial round of missile and drone strikes had made it clear that if it escalate further, Pakistan will start hitting Indian commercial and industrial hubs many of which are located very near to Pakistani borders and almost impossible to defend due to short distance. There was also a reason why the US also changed its mind about not intervening within 24 hours. They had wrong assessment about Pakistan's reaction clearly.
Second reason for Indian failure was diplomatic inability to convince the world that Pakistan did Pehalgam. Even till date, India has failed to present any evidence to back its claims which India used as an excuse to attack Pakistan. Same was the case in 2016 and 2019. Only time when Pakistanis were involved was during 26/11 rest were false flag and world diplomatic community is now well aware about these.
India can't deter Pakistan through military coercion. Want to use water as weapon, go ahead and try that and see what's happens there. Pakistani government, unlike in the past, has declared this as act of war already.

 

[Puncher]

Feel good analysis

The fact is, three times in a row—in 2016, 2019, and now 2025—India was not deterred from launching preemptive strikes on Pakistan, while Pakistan was left playing catch-up to react.


You can argue with all the feel-good numbers like 2-0 or 6-0, but the real question is: Is your nuclear deterrence truly effective? India can sustain this brinkmanship far longer than Pakistan can afford to, and the numbers in my earlier comments underscore this. Feel free to interpret it as you see fit.

 

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Bat saar satellite images?

 

[Yasser76]

The fact is, three times in a row—in 2016, 2019, and now 2025—India was not deterred from launching preemptive strikes on Pakistan, while Pakistan was left playing catch-up to react.


You can argue with all the feel-good numbers like 2-0 or 6-0, but the real question is: Is your nuclear deterrence truly effective? India can sustain this brinkmanship far longer than Pakistan can afford to, and the numbers in my earlier comments underscore this. Feel free to interpret it as you see fit.

You are chasing your tail in this argument. India is not dettered, and according to Modi Pakistan keeps supporting Kashmiris and it not deterred, so by your very own criteria, India never seems to acehive it's objectives.

2016, 2019, 2025. We are still in the same position. Only thing that has changed is materially the IAF has lost 4-9 planes (depending on who you believe)

So in effect what has India acheived against Pak? Zero.

What this has done has keep things on the boil do that Modi can advanced his agenda and get relelected.

The very fact that major countries intervened and that India has not engaged in an all our war shows nuclear dtterence is working. India's constant moaning to the US, IAEA and UN about Pakistan's nuclear arsenal shows how effective this detterence is. The fact the US government writes about Pakistan's advanced nuclear capabilities is another major clue.

The best clue however is the fear it causes in the clown show of a media you have, but yeah, you go ahead and question it all you want....

 

[Areesh]

The fact is, three times in a row—in 2016, 2019, and now 2025—India was not deterred from launching preemptive strikes on Pakistan, while Pakistan was left playing catch-up to react.


You can argue with all the feel-good numbers like 2-0 or 6-0, but the real question is: Is your nuclear deterrence truly effective? India can sustain this brinkmanship far longer than Pakistan can afford to, and the numbers in my earlier comments underscore this. Feel free to interpret it as you see fit.

India ran to USA the day Pakistan started responding and ceasefire happened

You really think India can sustain this brinkmanship? Does India know that?

Or is it the shock that made India forget that it can sustain this brinkmanship?



India was even begging Pakistan not to respond after operation sindoor. A request which was firmly rejected by Pakistan



Why India was begging Pakistan not to respond when it can easily sustain any brinkmanship?

 

[PakShaheen_79]

The fact is, three times in a row—in 2016, 2019, and now 2025—India was not deterred from launching preemptive strikes on Pakistan, while Pakistan was left playing catch-up to react.


You can argue with all the feel-good numbers like 2-0 or 6-0, but the real question is: Is your nuclear deterrence truly effective? India can sustain this brinkmanship far longer than Pakistan can afford to, and the numbers in my earlier comments underscore this. Feel free to interpret it as you see fit.

This myth got busted when the conflict actually lasted more than 100 hours and that was May 2025. Earlier two were merely skirmishes. In 2019, India dared to enter Pakistan and in 2025 when Indian economy was way bigger, it was forced to launch attack on civilians from within its own airspace and guess what this is where IAF was humiliated, in its own airspace. Was India deterred? Well, we will have to wait for next election stunt by Modi and I believe it will either going to happen v soon (within weeks) or it will happen after 5-6 years when once again you guys will get enough confidence to do something extraordinary like crossing international border.

 

[CombatCorner]

The fact is, three times in a row—in 2016, 2019, and now 2025—India was not deterred from launching preemptive strikes on Pakistan, while Pakistan was left playing catch-up to react.


You can argue with all the feel-good numbers like 2-0 or 6-0, but the real question is: Is your nuclear deterrence truly effective? India can sustain this brinkmanship far longer than Pakistan can afford to, and the numbers in my earlier comments underscore this. Feel free to interpret it as you see fit.

Not sure where you pulled the 2016 from but for all the chest thumping let me remind you that Ukraine a non nuclear country is in war with a super power called Russia. You may feel good about launching cowardly attacks in middle of night and that too against civilian infrastructure, Pakistan OTOH paid back with dividends even when India had its guard up and that too in broad daylight.
Remember, Pakistan always fired the last bullet.

 

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Holy shit, more videos. This time RAW terror network was the target. Pakistan was going mental

 

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[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

You are chasing your tail in this argument. India is not dettered, and according to Modi Pakistan keeps supporting Kashmiris and it not deterred, so by your very own criteria, India never seems to acehive it's objectives.

2016, 2019, 2025. We are still in the same position. Only thing that has changed is materially the IAF has lost 4-9 planes (depending on who you believe)

So in effect what has India acheived against Pak? Zero.

What this has done has keep things on the boil do that Modi can advanced his agenda and get relelected.

The very fact that major countries intervened and that India has not engaged in an all our war shows nuclear dtterence is working. India's constant moaning to the US, IAEA and UN about Pakistan's nuclear arsenal shows how effective this detterence is. The fact the US government writes about Pakistan's advanced nuclear capabilities is another major clue.

The best clue however is the fear it causes in the clown show of a media you have, but yeah, you go ahead and question it all you want....

can you tell the difference between arguments (aka copy pasting) he gives and propaganda...

thats not even trolling..... !!!

how is that non-nonsensical argumentation is even allowed.

For a scientific argument, even for proving India's economic development, one needs to have sound hypothesis to anti-thetically disprove/prove claims (or atleast show some attempt!)

but no..... it is mockery to say even something like this!

 

[hussain0216]

after watching in detail all the videos uploaded on twitter of the 10th May Pak response, i can easily say, rockets penetrated far!

Of course they did, I said this from early on

People were getting excited and stupid at the same time


Pakistan humiliated IAF in the air battle

Then BOTH COUNTRIES shot drones and missiles each other, a lot of these items were shot down by AD on both sides ,but much got through causing various degrees of damage

India was acting much more stupid and throwing itself around

Whilst Pakistan was following a escalatory plan, with our first targets being posts, and bases closer to our border that could be used against us in any military escalation




What's so difficult for anyone to understand?
Things got through on both sides

But overall considering India started this conflict, this was a great victory for Pakistan and through humiliation for IAF and beating for india

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Of course they did, I said this from early on

People were getting excited and stupid at the same time


Pakistan humiliated IAF in the air battle

Then BOTH COUNTRIES shot drones and missiles each other, a lot of these items were shot down by AD on both sides ,but much got through causing various degrees of damage

India was acting much more stupid and throwing itself around

Whilst Pakistan was following a escalatory plan, with our first targets being posts, and bases closer to our border that could be used against us in any military escalation




What's so difficult for anyone to understand?
Things got through on both sides

But overall considering India started this conflict, this was a great victory for Pakistan and through humiliation for IAF and beating for india

hahahaha.... 'rockets' penetrated far and 'from afar, that felt, all hell could break loose'!

 

[Puncher]

2016 - Long range artillery dual and rest was Bollywood.
2019 - India had no answer to PAF despite having 2.9 trillion USD economy. It is a bigger shame.
2025- Despite being 10 times bigger economic muscle, It was India who forced to run to US for ceasefire.

Net result. Strategically, since 2016, India has failed to deter Pakistan despite constantly growing economic and mil muscle.

Do you ever wonder why it is happening? Throwing money on every problem is not the solution. Here, once again you are doing the same. Trying to win an argument by bringing in economy. Why don't you compare sizes of populations on both sides? Socio-economic indicators? Plus, bigger economy means bigger industrial infrastructure which means more targets to hit from Pakistan and this is exactly what happened on May 10th 2025. Only time from the 3 "crises" you listed above where India tried to escalate things by hitting PAF bases. Pakistan after initial round of missile and drone strikes had made it clear that if it escalate further, Pakistan will start hitting Indian commercial and industrial hubs many of which are located very near to Pakistani borders and almost impossible to defend due to short distance. There was also a reason why the US also changed its mind about not intervening within 24 hours. They had wrong assessment about Pakistan's reaction clearly.
Second reason for Indian failure was diplomatic inability to convince the world that Pakistan did Pehalgam. Even till date, India has failed to present any evidence to back its claims which India used as an excuse to attack Pakistan. Same was the case in 2016 and 2019. Only time when Pakistanis were involved was during 26/11 rest were false flag and world diplomatic community is now well aware about these.
India can't deter Pakistan through military coercion. Want to use water as weapon, go ahead and try that and see what's happens there. Pakistani government, unlike in the past, has declared this as act of war already.

let me articulate how India is building up on the cost to Pakistan..
In the 1990s, when the Kashmir insurgency was at its peak, Pakistan supported militant groups with impunity, and India had no effective response, merely playing catch-up. Then came the 1999 Kargil conflict, where Pakistan infiltrated parts of India but faced no significant cost beyond eventual withdrawal under international pressure. In the 2008 Mumbai attacks, all evidence pointed toward Pakistan and its involvement, yet it faced no immediate military consequences. However, in the long term, India responded strategically between 2008 and 2014—I believe you know what I’m hinting at.


Then came the Modi government, which isn’t playing catch-up but is far more proactive, whether through the 2019 abrogation of Article 370 or the silencing of local Kashmiri dissent. (Have you recently heard of the Hurriyat Conference or other pro-Pakistan actors?)


Modi is now upping the ante, asserting that India will reclaim Pakistan-administered Kashmir and placing full responsibility for any wrongdoing in Kashmir squarely on Pakistan. This marks a clear shift in narrative and approach.


Given the last three incidents—2016 Uri surgical strikes, 2019 Balakot airstrike, and the reported 2025 action—anyone at Pakistan’s GHQ must now consider multiple risks before acting on Kashmir. India has seized the role of initiator in the Kashmir issue, significantly raising the political, military, and economic costs for Pakistan. That is the change.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

let me articulate how India is building up on the cost to Pakistan..
In the 1990s, when the Kashmir insurgency was at its peak, Pakistan supported militant groups with impunity, and India had no effective response, merely playing catch-up. Then came the 1999 Kargil conflict, where Pakistan infiltrated parts of India but faced no significant cost beyond eventual withdrawal under international pressure. In the 2008 Mumbai attacks, all evidence pointed toward Pakistan and its involvement, yet it faced no immediate military consequences. However, in the long term, India responded strategically between 2008 and 2014—I believe you know what I’m hinting at.


Then came the Modi government, which isn’t playing catch-up but is far more proactive, whether through the 2019 abrogation of Article 370 or the silencing of local Kashmiri dissent. (Have you recently heard of the Hurriyat Conference or other pro-Pakistan actors?)


Modi is now upping the ante, asserting that India will reclaim Pakistan-administered Kashmir and placing full responsibility for any wrongdoing in Kashmir squarely on Pakistan. This marks a clear shift in narrative and approach.


Given the last three incidents—2016 Uri surgical strikes, 2019 Balakot airstrike, and the reported 2025 action—anyone at Pakistan’s GHQ must now consider multiple risks before acting on Kashmir. India has seized the role of initiator in the Kashmir issue, significantly raising the political, military, and economic costs for Pakistan. That is the change.

too early to say anything, lets see, lies Modi tells, can even save himself, let alone KAshmir!