Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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Uncle Gao …… ‘Indians Live in a Parralel Universe’

 

[Maarkhoor]

@Oscar @Panzerkiel @NA71 @Gripen9 @Reichmarshal @Waz @Fatman17


A narrative is cropping up in india, following disinformation has been circulated

Indian S-400 SAM System scored following kills inside Pakistan longest one is at 315km

4 x F-16s, 1 x Saab -2000 ERIEYE AEW , 2 x Mirage 3/5

Total: 7

also Brahmos GLCM scored kills on ground

1 x Il-76
1 x Saab 2000 ERIEYE AEW
4 x F-16s
1 x C-130


Total: 7

7+7 = 14

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have you noticed something? regarding the numbers? always remember disinformation is based on a premise.

PAF has officially confirmed shooting down 6 fighter aircraft and 1 x Drone, rumors are ripe may be its more but we are holding back (remember DG ISPR Press conference - AVM Aurangzaib said we could have shot much more what figure he said? he said possibly up to 14.

we have AVM Arshad Malik (Rtd) saying his sources there could be more. secondly he also talked about usage PL-15 in quantity in battle.

Interesting times?

Bakwas,

Why you are promoting Indian bakwas here even Indian armed forces did not dare to claim that nonsense.

 

[Areesh]

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There are more videos of IAF aircraft crash sites than those of modi giving interview to any independent journalist which is basically zero in number

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Maybe you were looking at subtitles and not reading the sheer hatred in their eyes when they said why government lied to them via fake news. They really wanted utter destruction of Pakistani cities.

An average common person walking the street in India has genocidal hatred towards Pakistan. This is the only truth from this whole episode.

India can walk around the globe painting Pakistan as one big massive terror camp but they're walking naked with the truth that the world realises how genocidal hatred is fundamental bloc of Indian society.

"They"? You mean Indian people in general?

The purpose of the nation state is to look after interests of its people, not to carry out all of its whims and petulant demands. And roughly thats what is happening.

 

[Dalit]

Even pro India Americans are laughing at these claims, nothing to see here.

The Hindutva are angry, demoralised and hurt. They cannot hide their disappointment. The Hindutva media is very angry at Modi for not continuing the skirmishes against Pakistan. Let's face it, the skirmishes were very shortlived. Hindutva wanted Modi to go all the way. Conquer Pakistan and settle it for once and all.

The problem with Hindutva is that they are living in a different universe. In their imagination, Pakistan is a very easy target that can be easily conquered. These skirmishes have demoralised the average Hindutva.

 

[Dalit]

A question: Why didn't IAF try to engage PAF this time around? Back in 2019, Abhinondan with a flying coffin was trying to attack an F16, while this time around India's front line fighters were up in the air.

What do you guys have to say about it?

Exactly for the reasons you mention. IAF has already experienced losses during recent dogfights against PAF. They were never going to risk a direct confrontation against PAF. The beauty is that this time around PAF smoked the IAF from a distance in a BVR confrontation. That makes it 2-0 for PAF. Not only did PAF unambiguously defeat IAF in direct aerial combat. The PAF has also achieved a monstrous BVR kill.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

how shameful is that, the PM of a nation is a tout flaunted by its military. for you its a matter of pride but its not for the majority.

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Imrandu said Bajwa is father of the nation.

 

[El Sidd]

"They"? You mean Indian people in general?

The purpose of the nation state is to look after interests of its people, not to carry out all of its whims and petulant demands. And roughly thats what is happening.

India does not consider itself a nation state. Indians long gave up the futile idea odf moulding a nation state out of the mob that they are. Now national propaganda is that India is some civilisation.

Question for the world to answer is;

1) Is this genocidal hatred a civilisational value?
2) or the thread sexualising Italian PM a civilisational value?

 

[Vox Non Dei]

A question: Why didn't IAF try to engage PAF this time around? Back in 2019, Abhinondan with a flying coffin was trying to attack an F16, while this time around India's front line fighters were up in the air.

What do you guys have to say about it?

My guess is because they did not want this conflict to turn into another Russia-Ukraine one. They let airforce take more risk for the objectives instead of following established military tactics.

If they wanted to do it properly, they had to first do a drone and missile attack to neutralize Pakistan's ground based radars and degrade airbases to reduce its capacity to fly more AWACS. Basically May 10th before May 7th. But then it would have been a much longer conflict and a more dangerous one overall.

 

[Path-Finder]

Imrandu said Bajwa is father of the nation.

That was his fk up. But you as a askari mule don't do pooja paat of bajwa, or is it only the current one and then the next one?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Well, exactly. India from what I can read, had no intention of fighting a real war. It has seen how it goes for Russia and even Israel when opponent is not even a professional force, much less than Pakistan -- 6th or 7th military power in the world.

All it wanted to do was to hit some seminaries --or as they say terror camps-- and whatever damage or loss came out of it, they accepted it as cost of punishing terror groups. And thats what roughly that happened.

The seminaries India blame were all emptied out well before attack. These were more of symbolic attacks for local elections that backfired. As world attention turned to China maal shooting down Rafale. And then 3rd party mediated Trump ceasefire to avoid nuclear war. Which have dented Modi politically.

Indian public was expecting Indian army taking over Pakistan Azaad Kashmir and erasing Pakistan from world map just like Indian media told them.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

India does not consider itself a nation state. Indians long gave up the futile idea odf moulding a nation state out of the mob that they are. Now national propaganda is that India is some civilisation.

I do not follow this. India is a nation state with multiple civilizations. Propaganda is never meant to be truth. It is meant to be a myth for a reason. You can believe propaganda at your own peril.

Question for the world to answer is;

1) Is this genocidal hatred a civilisational value?
2) or the thread sexualising Italian PM a civilisational value?

Sorry, but world does not give a shit about these questions. It does not fits anyone's realpolitik.

If world can not be bothered with genocide in middle east by Israel, India and its genocidal tendency is simply too small to matter for wider world.

We have much more ...errrr... interesting things about Donald Trump and all the women in his life -- including his daughter. Modi-Meloni gossip is a harmless banter infront of Trumps taste for his own daughter...

I mean this is a christian President annointed by Christ himself and saved by God himself... and he is into his daughter... So yeah, Modi and his love life can wait.

And lets not even talk about Vance and his love for the couch...

 

[TAC]

A question: Why didn't IAF try to engage PAF this time around? Back in 2019, Abhinondan with a flying coffin was trying to attack an F16, while this time around India's front line fighters were up in the air.

What do you guys have to say about it?

Because they didn’t get chance & didn’t know what hit them. Dropping like flies all over the place.
Imagine for a second if they had shot down 6 of our jets including J-10s and it was Rafale and LCA that got the kills - would any Indian tolerate any debate about who won this war? With or without satellite photos? Would you find any Indian on any forum brushing over the IAF’s amazing achievements and criticising Indian leadership for maybe some gaps in AD? Would any report in the western media still say India downed ‘at least 1’ or would they then be celebrating their techs win over Chinese tech and state ‘downed at least 4’?

 

[El Sidd]

I do not follow this. India is a nation state with multiple civilizations. Propaganda is never meant to be truth. It is meant to be a myth for a reason. You can believe propaganda at your own peril.

From Nation-State to State-Nation

India must think hard before uprooting the framework that makes it the envy of the world

carnegieendowment.org

Sorry, but world does not give a shit about these questions. It does not fits anyone's realpolitik.

If world can not be bothered with genocide in middle east by Israel, India and its genocidal tendency is simply too small to matter. We have much more ...errrr... interesting things about Donald Trump and all the women in his life -- including his daughter. Modi-Meloni gossip is a harmless banter infront of Trumps taste for his own daughter...

And lets not even talk about Vance and his love for the couch

Genocidal designs and crimes against women are quite standard question in any realm of realpolitik.

India cannot hide nor she can run away.

 

[Vapnope]

My guess is because they did not want this conflict to turn into another Russia-Ukraine one. They let airforce take more risk for the objectives instead of following established military tactics.

If they wanted to do it properly, they had to first do a drone and missile attack to neutralize Pakistan's ground based radars and degrade airbases to reduce its capacity to fly more AWACS. Basically May 10th before May 7th. But then it would have been a much longer conflict and a more dangerous one overall.

Look India's objectives in 2016, 2019 and 2025 have been the same and they knew the risks as well yet it did not deter them to go ahead with their plans.

I don't agree that any airforce, small or large would allow the adversary to shoot down their planes (or at least try to shoot down) and do nothing about it because they don't want the things to escalate. It doesn't make sense to me at all.

Like i said earlier, IAF was ready to engage PAF back in 2019, to my understanding IAF was ready to engage paf even at the night of 7th May. What doesn't make sense to me that why Indian side did not utilize their number advantage against PAF?

@Dalit @Areesh Can there be any other possibility other than the one you mentioned in your posts? There is no second opinion that PAF did create a lot of chaos in IAF during that skirmish, but IAF still had the number advantage.

@Oscar @Michael any thoughts here?