Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Two mistakes here in my understanding,

1 - PAF didn't follow the same ROE after 7th May, even when we knew the result of 7th May, which resulted in IAF lobbing missiles at PAF bases.
2 - Downing of 6 or 10 jets is not enough cost for India for the misadventure they did in Pakistan. The cost should be visible for everyone to see. Moral high ground or little embarrassment means nothing in wars.

Bottom line is that I totally agree with the take away of one article which explicitly said "Both sides have failed to deter each other".
 
Maarkhoor said:
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Very silly logic by the Indians. Any action by the Navy will result in attacks on mainland India, and the next time will be New Delhi and economic targets.

Additionally, PAF will sink those ships as the PAF has complete air dominance over the IAF right now.

2 - 3 ships sunk, and they will have to find a new god to worship. This raptor of the east diety proved to be a false god. Same with their Rafale god, which was found wanting. Now, they pray towards their navy gods...
 
Falcon26 said:
Bloomberg news: “India’s military confirmed for the first time that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May, while saying the four-day conflict never came close to the point of nuclear war.”

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I pointed out first, even before Bloomberg!
 
hydrabadi_arab said:
BJP politicians are turning on Indian armed forces

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"Free hand" meetings were precisely for this reason - to allow Modi an exit ramp while letting Chauhan and others fall on their swords.

Indian military leaders should really have know what "free hand" meant in Modi's India.
 
The Indians are mad at the top military general for accepting many Indian jets were shot down by Pakistan and that the Indian Air Force was grounded for two days by PAF. They are asking him why he didn’t continue lying 😂

I have always said the Hindu nationalists are all bark and no bite.

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Indian public wasn’t ready for all of this specially rafale etc. now they are slowly realizing that current Indian government is hiding more. Indian military is under pressure from Indian opposition to speak about downed jets. They are still not talking about numbers because they are high.

Operation sindoor is not over yet which is a clear hint of another aerial battle. When? Where? Who knows! Status of shivangi is the biggest mystery after mh370.

I feel like some of their pilots died and modi can’t do anything about that. Sooner or later, they will have to explain. Problem is Indian public who wants war. Imagine Indian public reaction if india accepts all losses and deaths of fighter pilots. They will again put pressure on modi because Bjp trained Indian youth in the same warmonger way.

This is an uncomfortable situation for india. Government is blaming armed forces behind the scenes for rafale etc and army asking questions about the real intention of Indian government.

Paf actually dominated and grounded iaf after 7th and god knows how many jets we have brought down. This is also a mystery because the numbers can be higher like 8 to 10 but we don’t want utter humiliation of iaf that’s why we are silent on shivangi and Indian jets.

Slowly slowly, Indian youth will start showing anger again and modi has no option but to attack pakistan. I know we are ready. There was a time when they were a democracy but now these guys are lying and that is not a representation of democracy.

I am sure Paf has advantage. They are talking about buying crystal maze 2. We should also look for similiar stuff which works like scalp etc. I hope Chinese has something like that in their inventory. Thing is aerial strike on any country brings risks. India was unaware of pl-15 integration or probably thought that we would do nothing.

I agree with a theory floated on social media that j-10s radars were off when they fired pl-15. It was guided by some other platform to its intended target. Same Wolfpack strategy. Iaf was totally blind and I am sure they don’t have any solution as we bombed different targets on may 10th. It means they didn’t engage. Probably grounded.

I am also sure that Paf bholari strike was land based brahmos and not aerial based.
 
Areesh said:
Step 1: IAF spokesperson didn't deny losses
Step 2: Indian general accepted losses
Step 3: Announcing Number and type of losses

First two steps done. Third one to happen soon

Stay tuned guys
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I find it hilarious how the French are anxious to find how many Rafale fighters were lost by Hindustan. The Indians are absolutely tight lipped.
 

Trump again claims role in Pakistan-India ceasefire​

President Donald Trump also reaffirmed his claim of having brokered the May 2025 Pakistan-India ceasefire — a statement that continues to irk New Delhi but is quietly welcomed in Islamabad.

Speaking at a White House press conference on Friday, President Trump said his intervention “stopped India and Pakistan from fighting”, adding that the conflict could have “turned out into a nuclear disaster”.

“We talk trade and we said we can’t trade with people that are shooting at each other and potentially using nuclear weapons,” he said. “They’re great leaders in those countries. And they understood and they agreed and that all stopped.”

This marks the fifth time President Trump has publicly cited his role in halting the conflict. He underscored America’s power to both wage and prevent wars, stating, “Ultimately, we can fight better than anybody,” but added, “we’re stopping others from fighting also.”

He also expressed gratitude to the leaders of both South Asian nations, as well as his own diplomatic team. “I want to thank the leaders of India, the leaders of Pakistan, and I want to thank my people also,” he said.
 
ghazi52 said:

Trump again claims role in Pakistan-India ceasefire​

President Donald Trump also reaffirmed his claim of having brokered the May 2025 Pakistan-India ceasefire — a statement that continues to irk New Delhi but is quietly welcomed in Islamabad.

Speaking at a White House press conference on Friday, President Trump said his intervention “stopped India and Pakistan from fighting”, adding that the conflict could have “turned out into a nuclear disaster”.

“We talk trade and we said we can’t trade with people that are shooting at each other and potentially using nuclear weapons,” he said. “They’re great leaders in those countries. And they understood and they agreed and that all stopped.”

This marks the fifth time President Trump has publicly cited his role in halting the conflict. He underscored America’s power to both wage and prevent wars, stating, “Ultimately, we can fight better than anybody,” but added, “we’re stopping others from fighting also.”

He also expressed gratitude to the leaders of both South Asian nations, as well as his own diplomatic team. “I want to thank the leaders of India, the leaders of Pakistan, and I want to thank my people also,” he said.
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Now let's get a trade deal with the US.
 
Vapnope said:
Two mistakes here in my understanding,

1 - PAF didn't follow the same ROE after 7th May, even when we knew the result of 7th May, which resulted in IAF lobbing missiles at PAF bases.
2 - Downing of 6 or 10 jets is not enough cost for India for the misadventure they did in Pakistan. The cost should be visible for everyone to see. Moral high ground or little embarrassment means nothing in wars.

Bottom line is that I totally agree with the take away of one article which explicitly said "Both sides have failed to deter each other".
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india is at least 7× bigger than Pakistan. It has the FULL backing of the west, america, israel and russia. Yet despite these near impossible odds, Pakistan was able to severely batter, humiliate and castrate india on the world stage. Out of ALL the countries in the world, name ONE other country apart from Pakistan that has managed to achieve this feat. Let that thought just sink in.
 
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