Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Vkdindian1]

However, you definitely wanted to get some trophies on ground. Specially that hit on Shahbaz hangar sounded very personal. Knowing that the F-16s from 11 Sqn that did the shootings in 2019 were stationed at Shahbaz.

That would be a very tactical kind of thinking in an operation of this scale. It wasn’t kids squabbling over something with past grudges.

The attacks were carried out against all kinds of targets. Runways, Command and Control centres, Hangars, Hardened Deeply Buried Targets etc.

The idea was to show that nothing is safe on ground at any location in entire Paksiatn.

If glory means not daring to even make a try of intercepting enemies attack formations on 10th and staying wayy inside your airspace.

Glory is not in display of bravado but achievement of one’s aim. Indian aircraft were also not intercepted on 10th and they attacked where they wanted.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

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Aik Choti Si Khwahish Poori Kardijyein
40 J-35 Ata Kardijyein

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Problem for India is that there is NEVER, EVER going to be a 'victory' against Pakistan over Kashmir to the point of effectively using the water as weapon against Pakistan. Even if Pakistan were to be a militarily and economically as powerless of a nation as today's Afghanistan then still there would be a large, very large, population right next door who'd be very pissed off about their 'condition' in life and would, in not so distant future, turn against India. So the fantasies of the Indian ruling class after PM Manmohan Singh's departure are fantastic fantasies. They are mind bogglingly stupid. WTH are they thinking??
But why I did this preface to quote you. I think that's because Pakistanis are increasingly realizing that indeed it is 'now or never' to settle the score with India. Anyone who studied the history of Pakistan know the Pakistani founding fathers the Jauhar brothers who used 'Now or Never' to spur the Pakistan Movement. I strongly believe Pakistan can take the Indian Occupied Kashmir back with perhaps the Hindu majority Jammu areas.

Pakistan's history shows she can achieve something only when she gets into a "now or never" condition.....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

it will even become a bitc.h of US just to get back at Pakistan. The more time these cunning Hindus are given, the more dangerous they will become. So China - Pakistan needs to settle the score once and for all QUICKLY. NOW IS THE TIME to do this ! Let's dismantle them decisively !

Only problem is the USA doesn't have any clout left to be the master.....

 

[wgr2025]

The attacks were carried out against all kinds of targets. Runways, Command and Control centres, Hangars, Hardened Deeply Buried Targets etc.

The idea was to show that nothing is safe on ground at any location in entire Paksiatn.

only meaningful and visible damage on bases was bholari that penetrated the hangar. Runway craters on rest dnt mean anything
there are protocols to fix runways within 2-3 hours. Jacobad airbase image shows attack on hangar but it looks like Hangar survived
on the other Hand , Even 1 Rafale kill is > damage india inflicted to 11 bases. Rafale is prized Jet of West , often put in same league as of F-35 or Even F-22 in dog fight scenario.
two front line IAF jets.. SU30 and Rafale were destroyed.. its kind of blow that puts dent into opposition and has Physc effect.
Pak can quickly shore up its AD based on data we have now.
not sure about IAF.. all their inventory has been killed off in combat against PAF
Mig 21
Su 30
Mirage 2000
Mig 29

They do not have anything else..

Pakistan did nt even use its own cruise Missiles like Babur or Raad

 

[WarKa DaNG]

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Indian crowd saying no damage done, of course it is a mere smoke from kitchen for wedding!

And also the siren is to announce the bride arrival

 

[NA71]

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[ARMalik]

Only problem is the USA doesn't have any clout left to be the master.....

US is desperate and in desperation it can do anything.

 

[Sharma Ji]

this will make you lot happy

tone is changing

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[Vkdindian1]

If India brought Pak onto knees on May 10 , had decisive upper Hand and Pak was unable to punish India for attacking its assets ( Assumption that Indian AD was in control ), Then question is why did India opt for ceasefire without any meaningful concession? For example asking Kulbushan Back or Acknowledgment of Palgam attack by Pak? or even Ceasefire announcement by Pak which did nt happen. There are so many things India could have asked while being a dominant force ( Supposedly ) on escalation ladder before choosing to agree on ceasfire. Now do not tell me that Indian Objective was to inflict cost on Pak and Strategic messaging. That had happened already in 2019 ( A new normal ). This time Indian public and especially Media wanted to inflict crippling damage on Pak defense forces and teach pak a decisive lesson. You may not agree with it but that was the overall mood and Environment in India pre May 7.

You did some damage to our bases and we shot down your jets including one Minimum Rafale the most sought after Platform by India in last decade and Half , then agreeing to Ceasefire seems to me a stalemate and trust me even Stalemate is a virtual Victory of Pak thats economically , Geographically at disadvantage and has defense budget equal to Rafale deal

This fact is hard to understand by anyone with fanboy mentality, who think of this conflict like a sports match and link all aspects of this to one.

First of all it was not a war. War is what is taking place between Russia and Ukraine right now where Russia has set sight over Ukraine territory and is hell bent to not stop till it achieves its aim.

This was started by India with clean strike over few terrorists camps to give a message to Paksiatn to stop any kind of support to secessionists in Kashmir. It said clearly that it is not against military. This message was for posturing that we don’t want military to military escalation if things stop right there.

It was expected that Paksiatn would give a reply which it did by shooing down Indian fighters and then launching attacks with drones. It was a message again to show that Paksiatn would retaliate at any cost.

India said - wait you want to attack our military bases, we will attack your’s too and we can hit anything we want. But the weight of attack was kept at minimum level. Not excessive damage just signalling. Intent still was not to start a full war.

Paksiatn retaliated with Fatah and CM400 strike with an attempt to do the same like Indian targeting.

Till this time, no side was keen for a full fledged war but mere posturing and signalling.

This is clear from the kind of and number of weapons used till ceasefire was declared.

So, there is no question of who won and who lost as both sides exposed chinks in the armour for the other side. Vulnerabilities were exposed on both the sides.

Corollary to that would be - Why did Paksiatn accept ceasefire if everything was going great for it? Or why didn’t it make some more gains if it was going so great? I am not claiming these, but just quoting for some perspective.

Any more time could have resulted in an escalation of unimaginable dimensions, which no one wanted and decided to accept the ceasefire without much hulla gulla.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

1. Other nations provide basic information on losses during combat mentioning type of aircraft and reason for losses. (Example: The USA accepted the loss of two F-18 Hornet fighter aircraft during launch from their aircraft carrier during operations against the Houthis in Yemen). Why doesn't India provide more details?

This is not always true. Russia does not provide any information of losses during combat for instance. During entire Russia Ukraine conflict, very little came information out of Russia.

Not to mention during Cold wars, US hid many of it losses, most famous being Gary Power's U-2 loss. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident

Actually, Pakistan also does not provide details about its losses or damage. When asked about Bholari strike, the reply was that "there is minor damage to an aircraft and it will be up in air soon". Did it provide details about which aircraft? Reason of damage? Degree of damage?

So yes, India like many other countries can also hide its losses and details temporarily.

2. Other nations provide details of losses inflicted on the enemy air forces during combat ( Example: Russia rewarded it's personnel with cash for downing a Ukrainian F-16 ) Previously in 2019 India announced the shooting down of a Pakistani F-16, and awarded Wing Comander Abhinandan the third highest gallantry award the Vir Chakra for the feat.
Why doesn't India similarly announce details of enemy aircraft shot down and honor and laude its air force or air defense personnel for shooting down enemy aircraft?

Because very likely those kills either never happened or IAF was not sure it happened. India and Pakistan did mention downing of two additional fighters in 2019. India's Su30MKI and Pakistan's F16. Neither has provided any evidence.

3. Other nations provide detailed assessments of damage inflicted on enemy bases usually confirming if the bases have been permanently put out of action or are likely inoperable for a long time. The USA doesn't rely on the New York Times to support evidence of its claims of the destruction of enemy air force assets. Example: US airstrikes on Syria's Shariyat Air Base

Why does India rely on International sources to confirm the effectiveness of its air strikes?

If Pakistan can rely on international media to tell its story, why India should not rely on the same media?

India not pakistan used nuclear capable missle on a national capital..

India did not use any nuclear capable missile in the combat.

Pakistani government is doing nothing for federal occupied territories of Junagarh and Frontier Undefined.

I think Pakistani government has bigger worries right now. Like ITW suspension.

Then question is why did India opt for ceasefire without any meaningful concession?

Militarily, objectives were met, including destruction of those seminaries --rightly or wrongly is a different question. On diplomatic front, India has still kept IWT in suspension and is de-silting its dam reservoirs, something that has always been a pain under IWT treaty.

 

[wgr2025]

This was started by India with clean strike over few terrorists camps to give a message to Paksiatn to stop any kind of support to secessionists in Kashmir. It said clearly that it is not against military. This message was for posturing that we don’t want military to military escalation if things stop right there.

It was expected that Paksiatn would give a reply which it did by shooing down Indian fighters and then launching attacks with drones. It was a message again to show that Paksiatn would retaliate at any cost.

India said - wait you want to attack our military bases, we will attack your’s too and we can hit anything we want. But the weight of attack was kept at minimum level. Not excessive damage just signalling. Intent still was not to start a full war.

this is contrary to what Indian Media and Public wanted which was full scale war and Punish Pakistan further than just giving message to Pakistan. It was already given in 2019. This time calls were to inflict personnel and equipment cost so huge that Pakistan would be deterred. So easy to give press release in morning that we dnt want escalation when you had strike package of 72 jets on LOC.. Did IAF need 72 jets to hit 2 targets? Rest were SSM strikes admitted by Indian military. Obviously when scoreline reads 4-0 or 5-0 after 60 or 70 minutes of show down , what war would adversary dare to start?
Timeline is important in events
Pakistan did nt start drone attack. India did
Before Pak initiated its own response , India has already launched an attack on Nur Khan base.
Easy to spin the narrative and dialed down version of objectives

 

[TopGun786]

Here we go :-
Fun fact - the service Nos of officers in PAF haven't even crossed 21000 mark.

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Naqal k liye b aqal ki zaroorat hoti hai.
Endians are so burned after Pakistan released info of downed Indian jets.

 

[El Sidd]

I think Pakistani government has bigger worries right now. Like ITW suspension

Frontier Undefined(FU) is directly linked to the Indus.

 

[TopGun786]

This fact is hard to understand by anyone with fanboy mentality, who think of this conflict like a sports match and link all aspects of this to one.

First of all it was not a war. War is what is taking place between Russia and Ukraine right now where Russia has set sight over Ukraine territory and is hell bent to not stop till it achieves its aim.

This was started by India with clean strike over few terrorists camps to give a message to Paksiatn to stop any kind of support to secessionists in Kashmir. It said clearly that it is not against military. This message was for posturing that we don’t want military to military escalation if things stop right there.

It was expected that Paksiatn would give a reply which it did by shooing down Indian fighters and then launching attacks with drones. It was a message again to show that Paksiatn would retaliate at any cost.

India said - wait you want to attack our military bases, we will attack your’s too and we can hit anything we want. But the weight of attack was kept at minimum level. Not excessive damage just signalling. Intent still was not to start a full war.

Paksiatn retaliated with Fatah and CM400 strike with an attempt to do the same like Indian targeting.

Till this time, no side was keen for a full fledged war but mere posturing and signalling.

This is clear from the kind of and number of weapons used till ceasefire was declared.

So, there is no question of who won and who lost as both sides exposed chinks in the armour for the other side. Vulnerabilities were exposed on both the sides.

Corollary to that would be - Why did Paksiatn accept ceasefire if everything was going great for it? Or why didn’t it make some more gains if it was going so great? I am not claiming these, but just quoting for some perspective.

Any more time could have resulted in an escalation of unimaginable dimensions, which no one wanted and decided to accept the ceasefire without much hulla gulla.

This guy types too much.
Looooong, lengthy comments with perhaps only 5% meaningful things.
Gaps in lack of arguments cannot be filled by typing a thousand nonsense words.
It almost a couple of weeks that I just left reading his comments and I simply put just a laughing emoji reaction to each of his comment (he deserve something else but there is no other appropriate emoji here).