Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Jango007]

Brother it is fake like Indian media.

No Its not...Its 100 % real. Happened today

 

[NA71]

He is Afghan or India very secretly just like snake he is discrediting our success and I don't don't why Mods not banning him.

@Musings @RescueRanger @Fatman17

@NA71
Is false flag I can take oath he is either Indian / Afghan or Agent.,

Bhai bhai.....take is ir easy ....I have given link what eajaz haider said.....

And please do not distribute certificates on others....

 

[Psyko70]

Whats current situation ? Is threat present of evaporated like rafale ?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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narcissistic Indian GOD/IDOL!

 

[Jango007]

For those who understand Urdu....In summary:

Military leadership does not feel free and cannot face local Indian media because of their unprofessional and controlled nature and had to come out of the country to deliver the message of losses and debunk nuclear war myth.

Indian chief not once but twice in a day conceded during his interviews with Reuter and Bloomberg that India has lost multiple planeS.
It shows that he waited for this oppertunity to throw BJP under the bus when he got out of the country . It shows how disconnected political and military institutes are at this point...Forces perhaps no longer want to tow RSS nonsense and will spill all the secrets oabout how badly they are defeated.....

جنرل انیل چوہان کے انٹرویو پر انڈیا میں ردِعمل: ’بلومبرگ ٹی وی پر نقصانات کا اعتراف کر سکتے ہیں تو اپنے ملک میں خاموشی کیوں؟‘ - BBC News اردو

گذشتہ روز سنگاپور میں جب انڈیا کے چیف آف ڈیفنس سٹاف (سی ڈی ایس) انیل چوہان سے پاکستان کی جانب سے انڈیا کے طیارے گرائے جانے کے دعوؤں کے متعلق دو مختلف انٹرویوز (بلوم برگ اور روئٹرز) میں پوچھا گیا تو ان کے دیے گئے جواب نے بہت سے انڈین صارفین کو بظاہر ناراض کیا ہے۔

www.bbc.com

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

The reality is starting to set in........massive losses on the ground at airbases and then the 7-0 defeat in the air. Trying to cope hard. But it’s difficult. Real Assets lost on ground is biting them hard......

Another post without quoting reliable source. Looks like the number of Indian fighters shot down is increasing by every poster. It may reach 20 by next month. This is not Indian media. !!!

 

[Meengla]

The Kashmir valley population won’t go out on a limb until the shift is a fair accompli in Pakistan’s favor. Pakistan needs to build itself up to have joining it or even allying with it, as an independent country, is a safe bet over siding against India.
This is the same calculus the Khalistan movement has. Many Sikhs of Punjab and Haryana still feel an affinity for Pakistan due to the common Punjabi identity. But until Pakistan is economically and institutionally strong (rule of law, social services, etc.) they will have to live under Indian rule.

Yup. "Success has 100 fathers".
India did and potentially could still offer Kashmiris more than Pakistan did: India's larger economy ensured more development funding in the Indian Occupied Kashmir. The Indian passport is stronger. Indian educational institutes and medical facilities are better. So on and so forth. Got to give credit where it's due. One will only learn new knowledge when one uses some benchmarks, some criteria for success. Pakistan needs to up its game on many levels.
Having said all that, it is puzzling why India let Kashmir starting to boil with its imperialist policies in the 80s, otherwise Pakistan had basically left Kashmir alone in the previous quarter century. Why India would introduce stupid policies like revoking the Articles from its Constitution which gave Kashmiris some rights. Why India is trying to change the demographics in Kashmir. The only explanation I can think of is not Pakistan but some kind of irrational civilizational revivalism under Modi and unless that mentality is permanently reversed in India, I see no choice for Pakistan but to become proactive on Kashmir and even try to take it back. It is a matter of existence for Pakistan now.

 

[fallschirmjager786]

Actually they never wanted to fight Pakistan. It's Modi govt, with the backing of Godi media is forcing them to take us on.

2019 was also a half hearted skirmish from them like someone forced them to lob couple of spice bombs at Balakot forest. Next day when PAF was doing an air sweep all over IOK skies, IAF largely was no where to be seen. Infact there was so much panic that time, their ground Air defense system shot down their own helicopter which was on search and rescue mission for the downed Su30.

IAF chief yesterday speech clearly portrayed frustration that no project finishes in time and they don't get the required weapons they asked for due to corruption and process hurdles BLA BLA BLA. Indirectly he was blaming, throwing a vibe at Govt. Clearly there is not so well among govt and Indian military/AF/ Navy top command these days.

Morale must be rock bottom.

This is a big blow and a bitter pill that the flying wing and the jawans on the ground had to swallow. It's one thing to watch a bollywood movie and another to actually fight a war and to loose friends and colleagues.

IAF chief knows deep down inside what kind of baggage he is carrying now. Loosing the state of the art fighters in exchange for attacking meaningless structures and that to non strategic targets for propaganda.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Another post without quoting reliable source. Looks like the number of Indian fighters shot down is increasing by every poster. It may reach 20 by next month. This is not Indian media. !!!

its 6 i believe officially. Chance there is more though if they admit that

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Morale must be rock bottom.

This is a big blow and a bitter pill that the flying wing and the jawans on the ground had to swallow. It's one thing to watch a bollywood movie and another to actually fight a war and to loose friends and colleagues.

IAF chief knows deep down inside what kind of baggage he is carrying now. Loosing the state of the art fighters in exchange for attacking meaningless structures and that to non strategic targets for propaganda.

Military needs to revolt against modi and bjp this is no way to treat your soldiers

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Foinikas]

Morale must be rock bottom.

This is a big blow and a bitter pill that the flying wing and the jawans on the ground had to swallow. It's one thing to watch a bollywood movie and another to actually fight a war and to loose friends and colleagues.

IAF chief knows deep down inside what kind of baggage he is carrying now. Loosing the state of the art fighters in exchange for attacking meaningless structures and that to non strategic targets for propaganda.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Do we really think we have that woman pilot? I dont think so.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Do we really think we have that woman pilot? I dont think so.

Highly unlikely. But something significant has obviously happened to her.

 

[Ali_Baba]

They have the intent, so we have to prepare before they have the means.

The Ukrainian war is also three years in. For Pakistan, decisive action, that cripples the enemy within hours of a war is crucial now more than ever. Dealing a crippling blow within a few hours of fighting is the best way to deter Indian operations going forward, as we can not allow fighting to drag on for days or weeks, much less months or years, when they they maybe more capable of slipping through drones to our installations.

The decision making cycle and processing from Munir and the PA was lethargic and massively behind the curve behind what was actually happening over the days of the conflict and what was required each day in response. That is not lost on anyone, and no one can argue against that. They seemed out of their depth in understanding what was unfolding in front of them. I am not sure how this can be fixed given the PA 'aggregates' all decision making to itself, and then proves to be so bad at absorbing and processing the information before making decisions.

It was strange to hear the the ISPR talking about responding at 'a time and place of our choosing' while India continued to ignore those statements and continued to escalate upwards, taking the narrative and control away from the PA entirely. India must have been surprised by the inaction in the decision making cycle within Pakistan and therefore actually felt free to continue to escalate up the escalation ladder.

The lack of any response with long range CM's is shocking, and something that cannot be understood right now. Will defer on that for now, but i dont understand why there were not used. To me, it suggests that the situation was evolving faster than the decision making cycle, which in itself did not allow for the CM's to be used at all.

Pakistan was lucky, very that all the hard work the PAF has done over the decades has resulted in the PAF having absolute air supremacy over those days and neutralised a large portion of Operation Sindoor, otherwise this conflict would not have ended well for Pakistan. Kudos to the PAF, less so for the PA( i am not picking on the PA, just providing in my view, clinical objective feedback). Yes, the counter strikes finally ended it and the PA were part of that, but it really should have taken place much earlier.

I do feel that PAF 'exposed' a lot of hard won capability in the response to this operation for not much return imho because of 'restraints' imposed it or by itself(or others) on how it conducted it operations. Imagine the success that PAF could have gotten out of its hard work and operation doctrine and strategy on a more meaningful aerial exchange?