Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

@ Bratva

true, this is why I keep saying that this enemy deserves a "no restraints" response. With the escalating tactics and weaponry used by them such as Brahmos, and their threatening lingo, next time the "restraint" will be very very costly and it will be a Forced escalation where the ladder won't even exist and Pakistan would have to use its nukes to sustain its existence. I am fed up of this timid cuck responses by our leadership who very frequently "tie the hands" of PAF, PA and PN.
**** the restraints and go full throttle, that's how u win wars. Not by being a cuck who doesn't want to escalate things. Next time the Delays in response and Waiting to choose a time/place would be deadly for Pakistani civilians as well as our bases.
Any "leader" that wants restraints should not be occupying such posts and should go do farming instead.
Honestly we should have some contingency plans for this.

For example we could pre plan operations if Indians every attack again. Right now they backed off so we can pre plan operations right now and prepare so if indians feel itchy again we can retaliate immediately and not even give them time to think.

Never let your enemy think or give them a breather moment.

We should have pre planned operations, hide them and when indians attack use the plans of one of those depending on the level of escalation they did.
 
sane voices are slipping through the cracks.
He is sane, at times, because he had to the fighting. He is a “retired” R&AW officer that now works at ORF, R&AW’s think tank. It’s these people that are the canaries in the coal mines, giving a heads up to the well connected in India, to prepare for the increased risks.
 
Good introspection thread about our delayed response, strategic paralysis during 8th and 9th and too late too little response which emboldened India

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Agreed. The response should have been swift and hard, right in the early hours of 7th May when they were in total shock and awe. This would have further rattled up their senses making them likely to make more mistakes in haste. Things were always going to escalate no matter what.
 
Pakistan has to be careful here, Banking on the Kashmir Valley population to support an invasion has backfired in 1947-49 and again in 1965 leading to heavy losses. The Valley Kashmiris are a lot different from the Azad Kashmiri population, and perhaps the Line of Control is not just a military demarcation but also a cultural, ethnic and linguistic demarcation.

NOW, however the situation has dramatically changed because Kashmir is no longer viewed as a territorial dispute but as part of a larger Hindu-Muslim conflict where the fate of the Kashmiris in India is no different from that which is in store for Indian Muslims.

Hmmm. Are you sure about the bolded parts? Seems contradictory to me. I thought the Valley Kashmiris and the Azad Kashmiris are very similar and the Valley Kashmiris are the one who have formed the backbone of resistance against the Indian rule.
Having said that, prolonged living under different political systems DO make the erstwhile homogeneous group of people increasingly different: Look at the people in North and South Korea now! Or the Urdu Speaker Muslims in Pakistan vs the Muslims in India.
 
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This is what indians dream and claim to do on Pakistani bases while in reality this happened in Russia

Also where is S400?

ALLAH MAUF KAREY....
 
He is Afghan or India very secretly just like snake he is discrediting our success and I don't don't why Mods not banning him.

@Musings @RescueRanger @Fatman17

@NA71
Is false flag I can take oath he is either Indian / Afghan or Agent.,
Yes I have already pointed him out fir peddling Indian or otherwise anti -armed forces propaganda.
 
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This is what indians dream and claim to do on Pakistani bases while in reality this happened in Russia

Also where is S400?

Brother it is fake like Indian media.
 
Pakistan has to be careful here, Banking on the Kashmir Valley population to support an invasion has backfired in 1947-49 and again in 1965 leading to heavy losses. The Valley Kashmiris are a lot different from the Azad Kashmiri population, and perhaps the Line of Control is not just a military demarcation but also a cultural, ethnic and linguistic demarcation.

In fact if India had stuck to its secular inclusive agenda, giving cultural space and state level rights it gives to all other states and territories Pakistan would have had zero to negligible support amongst the population. A stark reminder of this status is the situation in IOK in 1972.
NOW, however the situation has dramatically changed because Kashmir is no longer viewed as a territorial dispute but as part of a larger Hindu-Muslim conflict where the fate of the Kashmiris in India is no different from that which is in store for Indian Muslims.

It is an interesting comparison of the attitude of the Indian Muslims versus Kashmiri Muslims in India as it was until 1990.

Indian Muslim viewpoint:
- Until 1992 the Indian Muslims were firmly of the belief that Kashmir as a Muslim majority region was a guarantee of secularism in the rest of India as the population in this sensitive border region adjacent to Pakistan and China could not be alienated. Ironically this was the viewpoint of all the centrist and left wing political parties in India including the ruling Congress Party and all left wing and regional political parties.
Muslims therefore enthusiastically supported India's stance and even volunteered to join the armed forces and serve while stationed in Kashmir.

- Kashmiri Muslim viewpoint:
The Indian Kashmiris were least bothered about the status of their wretched uneducated poverty stricken slum dwelling Indian Muslim brethren, being far more prosperous, educated, healthy and culturally secure than their Indian Muslim counterparts. Article 370 gave them near autonomy and Kashmiris enjoyed privileges in admission to professional education throughout India as well as exclusive rights to jobs and business within Kashmir. They had no fear of communal riots like their Indian Muslim counterparts. With huge subsidies distributed over such a small population their prosperity was at a level far above any of the states in India. So it was not surprising that Kashmiris viewed Indian Muslims as an embarrassment because the so-called Indian Muslim leadership had done little towards improving the lot of their constituents. Kashmiris felt culturally much closer to their Kashmiri Hindu counterparts than Indian Muslims. Which is WHY Kashmiris did not welcome or encourage Indian Muslims to settle or work in Kashmir even in Jammu where an influx would have shifted the demographics somewhat,

ALL this would change from 1990 onwards with the rise of Hindutva in the rest of India. Even by 1992 Kashmiris were so insular ( behind Article 370) that there were no protests over the demolition of the Babri Masjid on December 06, 1992. That is a date that has re-defined not just India but the fate of Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh as well.
The Kashmir valley population won’t go out on a limb until the shift is a fair accompli in Pakistan’s favor. Pakistan needs to build itself up to have joining it or even allying with it, as an independent country, is a safe bet over siding against India.

This is the same calculus the Khalistan movement has. Many Sikhs of Punjab and Haryana still feel an affinity for Pakistan due to the common Punjabi identity. But until Pakistan is economically and institutionally strong (rule of law, social services, etc.) they will have to live under Indian rule.
 
See how G@bar Arya crying in another way he is accepting defeat but need to listen full.

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The reality is starting to set in........massive losses on the ground at airbases and then the 7-0 defeat in the air. Trying to cope hard. But its difficult. Real Assets lost on ground is biting them hard......
 
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This is what indians dream and claim to do on Pakistani bases while in reality this happened in Russia

Also where is S400?

They have the intent, so we have to prepare before they have the means.

The Ukrainian war is also three years in. For Pakistan, decisive action, that cripples the enemy within hours of a war is crucial now more than ever. Dealing a crippling blow within a few hours of fighting is the best way to deter Indian operations going forward, as we can not allow fighting to drag on for days or weeks, much less months or years, when they they maybe more capable of slipping through drones to our installations.
 
Major Gobar Arya coping hard .

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This is what indians dream and claim to do on Pakistani bases while in reality this happened in Russia

Also where is S400?



These are very short range POV operated by Ukrainian special forces that penetrated near the base in a truck. These are not long range drones and the failure of internal security made it possible.


On a different note everytime I see T72, Tu bombers and other cold war obsolete Russian weapons getting destroyed I feel happy that finally this junk will get replaced with a modern equipment which will only make Russians better and stronger...
 

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