Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Pradotlc said:
Jezzzz…


Even Sami knows PAF is # 1 … IAF … lol an orphan

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I don't know this program but one could argue that they are literally, visibly putting Muslims and those with past connections to Pakistan into some sort of a televised kangaroo court. Presumably it is meant to be satirical or some sort of lighthearted entertainment but the irony of this program's symbolism should not be lost on any of the forum goers here - this is a Freudian slip. Some folks living in the Secular Republic will ETERNALLY be defending their identities. We keep repeating this but it really is true - Jinnah knew this over 75 years ago now. I sometimes wish he were wrong but he really knew his stuff.

What is actually wrong with the mindset of this country to our east?
 
Sam6536 said:
So far I've seen a lot of misinfo and jingoistic comments from both sides.

But looking at the facts objectively it's clear that india lost 2-3 Jets with one likely being a Rafale. But India had the edge in drones and cruise missiles in this war.

I was in Jodhpur (it's close to the border) in uni when the skirmish was hot, we had 2-3 days of blackout post 12pm, we saw nothing though. I do remember reading about attacks on Jaisalmer though.

This was a short skirmish than a war, the strategic aim of India being detterance against Pakistani sponsored terrorist attacks in India.

Two major problems for Pakistan are:
1. Has nuclear detterance failed? What is the threshold of nuclear approach? Cruise missiles have hit Pakistan proper now. It's not just surgical strikes in the past.

In a full fledged war India due to its geography and size would have the strategic advantage and calling the nuclear bluff could be the decisive aspect.

Imagine something on the level of Operation Brasstacks by India.

2. What about IWT? Another major thing in this conflict was the abeyance of IWT by India.

3. Pakistan has been reactionary in this skirmish, so it's effectively India controlling the escalation ladder, what do you think about that?

4. India due to its large size/economy would have a easier time replenishing and rearming. Rafales 4.5 gen fighters just like any other fighter, they're not the decisive card as they are hyped to me. It's just jingoism.

These are just some of my observations, i might be biased yeah but that's a given on both sides.
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You have correct assemssment and I am sure both sides are going to sit down and learn lessons......If India can decide to escalate but at what cost??? Entire airforce grounded??? how can one fight a war without the airforce?

On the other hand Pakistan needs some serious investment to stop hypersonic missiles and cruise missiles.....

lots of lessons to learn

At this point if India stops our water , China is already saying the will take action and stop Indian water....IS THIS ALL WORTH IT FOR MODI TO WIN ELECTIONS????

Indians need to sit down and think who is the enemy here.....
 
Jango007 said:
You have correct assemssment and I am sure both sides are going to sit down and learn lessons......If India can decide to escalate but at what cost??? Entire airforce grounded??? how can one fight a war without the airforce?

On the other hand Pakistan needs some serious investment to stop hypersonic missiles and cruise missiles.....

lots of lessons to learn

At this point if India stops our water , China is already saying the will take action and stop Indian water....IS THIS ALL WORTH IT FOR MODI TO WIN ELECTIONS????

Indians need to sit down and think who is the enemy here.....
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we already started on that ordered HQ 19B missiles. Indian AD is also nothing to write home about either. An S400 cheeseboard radar was destroyed
 
Sam6536 said:
So far I've seen a lot of misinfo and jingoistic comments from both sides.

But looking at the facts objectively it's clear that india lost 2-3 Jets with one likely being a Rafale. But India had the edge in drones and cruise missiles in this war.

I was in Jodhpur (it's close to the border) in uni when the skirmish was hot, we had 2-3 days of blackout post 12pm, we saw nothing though. I do remember reading about attacks on Jaisalmer though.

This was a short skirmish than a war, the strategic aim of India being detterance against Pakistani sponsored terrorist attacks in India.

Major problems for Pakistan are:
1. Has nuclear detterance failed? What is the threshold of nuclear approach? Cruise missiles have hit Pakistan proper now. It's not just surgical strikes in the past.

In a full fledged war India due to its geography and size would have the strategic advantage and calling the nuclear bluff could be the decisive aspect.

Imagine something on the level of Operation Brasstacks by India.

2. What about IWT? Another major thing in this conflict was the abeyance of IWT by India.

3. Pakistan has been reactionary in this skirmish, so it's effectively India controlling the escalation ladder, what do you think about that?

4. India due to its large size/economy would have a easier time replenishing and rearming. Rafales are 4.5 gen fighters just like any other fighter, they're not the decisive card as they are hyped to me. It's just jingoism.

These are just some of my observations, i might be biased yeah but that's a given on both sides.
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You have debire for four sites and reports of loss at least 5 sites

You can look up the dedicated thread

The debrie confirms mig29, su30, mirage and rafale with pilots death at atleast two locations

So where are you getting 2-3 ??


India went nuclear with response using a strategic nuclear armed missile on Capitol
Iamgine if Pakistan has taken that strike as decapitation strike and replied with nuclear ballistic missles
 
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Be dazzled said:
3 Rafale killed 4 damaged. Serial numbers of damaged aircraft are as follows.
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Desh darohi sarr… delete this post sare
 
Jango007 said:
You have correct assemssment and I am sure both sides are going to sit down and learn lessons......If India can decide to escalate but at what cost??? Entire airforce grounded??? how can one fight a war without the airforce?

On the other hand Pakistan needs some serious investment to stop hypersonic missiles and cruise missiles.....

lots of lessons to learn

At this point if India stops our water , China is already saying the will take action and stop Indian water....IS THIS ALL WORTH IT FOR MODI TO WIN ELECTIONS????

Indians need to sit down and think who is the enemy here.....
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Beyond the first 2 days and strikes Airforce went out of the picture on both sides. The skirmish moved to drones and cruise missiles.

Air assets are too costly to move close to each other's AD. The drones meanwhile can get away easily.

In BVR engagements the one who locks in first has the advantage. PAF inflicted losses on IAF on the first day yes but we don't know what would've transpired in a larger scale war.

Quantity is a quality of its own, india does have the bigger arsenal. PAF has an admirable set of air assets but we can't judge overall performance on a day's engagement.

IAF is in dire need of newer and better aircraft though. Rafales are too low in number and the integration with local systems is not the best. The best way for IAF is to go for band aid purchase of a 5th gen fighter for now till our own AMCA is up and running (likely 10 more years).

Yes lessons were learnt on both sides. Most prominent thing about this war was the drone warfare on both sides.
 
ziaulislam said:
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You have debire for four sites and reports of loss at least 5 sites

You can look up the dedicated thread

The debrie confirms mig29, su30, mirage and rafale with pilots death at atleast two locations

So where are you getting 2-3 ??
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Confirmed not speculated. Many of those posts and pictures were fake.
 
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