Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[TopGun786]

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Please ban some of these indian accounts....every 2 days they're speaking the same shit, its getting boring & equally annoying at this point......

@Mods
I agree. These Indian trolls must be permanently banned.
Pages and pages are filled with their spam. Each time they keep copy pasting old issues which have been addresses at least 3 dozen times.

 

[TAC]

Gallentry medals will be given to 15 16 and 24 sqdn

I suspect we’ll get a lot more details then. What jets do 16 and 24 sq fly?

 

[Windjammer]

No unfortunately the latest info released by Paf says that all kills were with j-10s and pl15s ..Damn it. This is not good for the export potential of jf17

Damn, the likes of Rafales, Mirage-2000s, SU-30s, Eurofighter Typhoons, Grippen or the F-35 must have scored some kills that the world doesn't know about since they all have had decent export success. !

 

[airhead]

Your father was in paf, he maybe in contact with some folks in AHQ. Why don't you ask them and post your source and what has happened. I'll waiting!

My dad died 12 years ago. He was very senior ..the same batch as Middlecoat and 3 months behind mm alam so he was the pioneering generation of Paf and they pretty much set the tone of confidence and cockiness that still stays today ..no religiuous or nationalistic jingoism but pure love for flying , love for Paf and with the sole aim of giving India a bloody nose . He was a San commander in 1965

 

[airhead]

Damn, the likes of Rafales, Mirage-2000s, SU-30s, Eurofighter Typhoons, Grippen or the F-35 must have scored some kills that the world doesn't know about since they all have had decent export success. !

All I am saying is that the news that came out earlier about jf17 shooting down a mig 29 would have helped export but unfortunately that did not happen. We are pretty much marketing for china and they are going to get billions in their exchequer over the next few years by selling j10s.

 

[Vapnope]

My dad died 12 years ago. He was very senior ..the same batch as Middlecoat and 3 months behind mm alam so he was the pioneering generation of Paf and they pretty much set the tone of confidence and cockiness that still stays today ..no religiuous or nationalistic jingoism but pure love for flying , love for Paf and with the sole aim of giving India a bloody nose . He was a San commander in 1965

I didnt want a history lesson or what your father did and didn't. You are fishing for insider news while i am telling you that all you have to do is to pick up your phone and ask.

 

[Windjammer]

All I am saying is that the news that came out earlier about jf17 shooting down a mig 29 would have helped export but unfortunately that did not happen. We are pretty much marketing for china and they are going to get billions in their exchequer over the next few years by selling j10s.

Yes we should have paused the air battle, held back the J-10s and send in the JF-17s.
Wait for the official cermony to realise what did JF-17s actually achieved.

 

[TAC]

This are the words from Saad.
“Analysts from both sides are looking at the dithering after the counter air ops on part of Pak and deriving meaning that’s entirely disconnected from where Pak stands today.

Pak analysts: Pak was acting rational and didn’t want to start a regional conflict.

Indians: Pak dithered, and then did not respond to second wave of attacks, hence proven that a strategic cost can be implied on Pak.

A third opinion and this is just my pov:

1. There’re arguably very few forces on the planet that can interdict entirety of projectile salvos thrown at them. A certain middle eastern nation with the best possible layered AD needed support from 5 different nations in order to interdict a mass attack missile attack.

2. Pak dithered. Yes. But not out of some strategic reasons but due to its own fractured internal security and political situation. Pak analysts are mostly describing a disconnected reality when they describe just one facet of this reality.

Let’s look at the systems used: BBRA ammo at LOC, rudimentary rocket artillery in shape of F-1 and the very basic and very noisy Yiha-3 drones. The only high end system used was CM400AKG.

Which is also why most BDA from Pak side has been left wanting. Now, either Pak has access to realtime satellite based ISR or it doesn’t. If it’s argued that it does, even via the Chinese then why is there little to no BDA? Not even via commercial Chinese companies. Well I’d leave that answer up to you folks.

Food for thought: Pak did not even attempt to resort to the vast plethora of systems available to it: A100/F2/RAAD 1,2/Taimur or BREK or Akinci based LR munition et al. This is in stark contrast to other side using everything from Warmate to Brahmos to Scalp and Rampage. So, anyone who thinks that Pak needed some new system before being able to respond in kind, has no idea what they’re talking about.

What started off as a mere over LOC strike in 2016 has in less than 10 years graduated into full blown A2G munition landing in Pak proper.

If the internal security calculus is simply unable or incapable of calculating the overall cost of such fall of conventional deterrence in less than 10 years, across multiple govs then what does that tell you?

You won’t find Pak analysts try and answer this question.”

Some pertinent questions to which the answers are likely to be in the form of jokes or just chest thumping with cheap memes.

the level coping continues to be amazing. So your big take away that no Pak analyst dare to answer is - mighty India has gone from Loc action to ‘full blown A2G landing in PAK proper’within 10 years. Ok so let’s play your little game and see what mighty India has done over the last 10 years 1. ‘Surgical strike’ - utter joke and drama for Godi media only 2. Balakot in 2019 - even u have accepted that IAF missed their targetI’ll also add that they got their ass handed to them and u know it3. 2025 - IAF humiliation, 6 of their top of the line jets including Ra-fail get smacked down against zero loses to Pakistan. Did u manage to get a few A2G / misiles to land in Pak ‘proper’, yes but Pakistan did the same in India ‘proper’ no? So what’s your big wow? All I see over the last 10 years is India iether completely fabricating events like ‘Surgical strike’ for domestic public consumption / Modi votes, or using some pretext or other to attempt air strikes on Pakistan. For the latter, it has got humiliated every time and then had to resort to shameful outright lies to save some face. The only reason no Pak analyst is addressing your point is because it’s such a stupid one and only really any good for level coping.

 

[Fatman17]

I suspect we’ll get a lot more details then. What jets do 16 and 24 sq fly?

JF-17s and Falcon D-20 EW

 

[HAIDER]

the level coping continues to be amazing. So your big take away that no Pak analyst dare to answer is - mighty India has gone from Loc action to ‘full blown A2G landing in PAK proper’within 10 years. Ok so let’s play your little game and see what mighty India has done over the last 10 years 1. ‘Surgical strike’ - utter joke and drama for Godi media only 2. Balakot in 2019 - even u have accepted that IAF missed their targetI’ll also add that they got their ass handed to them and u know it3. 2025 - IAF humiliation, 6 of their top of the line jets including Ra-fail get smacked down against zero loses to Pakistan. Did u manage to get a few A2G / misiles to land in Pak ‘proper’, yes but Pakistan did the same in India ‘proper’ no? So what’s your big wow? All I see over the last 10 years is India iether completely fabricating events like ‘Surgical strike’ for domestic public consumption / Modi votes, or using some pretext or other to attempt air strikes on Pakistan. For the latter, it has got humiliated every time and then had to resort to shameful outright lies to save some face. The only reason no Pak analyst is addressing your point is because it’s such a stupid one and only really any good for level coping.

Indian has the best weapon, but they are never good strategic war planners. They firmly believe in proxy or paid warriors, for example, in Baluchistan, Bangladesh, and TTP. The same pattern Israel follows.
Extreme lack of training, I remember when on top Black cat commando fell off heli and died on a hotel roof during Mumbai attack. Only Gorkha or Sikh regiments have some juice to fight, if we talk about infantry counterattacks.

 

[Musings]

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Why dont you just report the offensive posts? This way i will remove the crap immediately

 

[Meengla]

I am sure there are other fairly modern missiles too. But even the above mentioned weapons are an overkill for India.
WHAT WAS NOT THERE, WAS WILL!!!!.
Let's hope this restraint is not shown in the third round or we are doomed

Wrong. The 'will' was there to take it higher and higher on the escalation ladder but Pakistan was already ahead on the escalation ladder and listened to the foreign mediators and got out. Now Pakistan is seen to have won by most of the world and Pakistan's star is rising. And that rising star has many dimensions of gains for Pakistan. Indians know that and outside of the Godi Gestapo Media, they even bring up Pakistan's rising prospects.
"Discretion is the better part of valor". Most PDF members were wrong between May 7 and May 10 as they wanted Pakistan to fall into the Indian trap by going close to the Indian border. Some of those Pakistanis certainly had a narrow political agenda by seeing the Pakistani Army humiliated. But most were just hormonal kids. Pakistan was already ahead on May 7.

 

[falcon34]

Wrong. The 'will' was there to take it higher and higher on the escalation ladder but Pakistan was already ahead on the escalation ladder and listened to the foreign mediators and got out. Now Pakistan is seen to have won by most of the world and Pakistan's star is rising. And that rising star has many dimensions of gains for Pakistan. Indians know that and outside of the Godi Gestapo Media, they even bring up Pakistan's rising prospects.
"Discretion is the better part of valor". Most PDF members were wrong between May 7 and May 10 as they wanted Pakistan to fall into the Indian trap by going close to the Indian border. Some of those Pakistanis certainly had a narrow political agenda by seeing the Pakistani Army humiliated. But most were just hormonal kids. Pakistan was already ahead on May 7.

That statement of yours is correct for May 7, maybe 8 but on 9th and 10th indians seemed in control we were the ones defending, they sent advanced loitering munitions, SCM and even ballistic missiles whilst we were just defending, Even our response on May 10th wasn't at the time and place of our choosing it was a response to Indian strikes on our airbases, we actually didn't even retaliated for the cowardly attacks on our civilians, now India when it wants can fire a bunch of barhamos on our airfields and civilian infra reason we didn't made 'em pay a heavy price for their attacks a new precedent has been set which allows India to fire missiles at our tier 1 urban centers and we will just respond with F1s. Thats at least what the indians think. Tell me how's that a victory, by going hard against RSS and IAF, we could have buried this chapter of Indian surgical strikes here, by imposing heavy costs on India in terms of military and civilian casualties.
Next time if pak wants to avoid damages to airbases, we would have preempt the indians there by starting the very war they avoided. Pak establishment will have to fight this war that they ran away from in 4-5 yrs time. We gave them 4-5 yrs to learn from their mistakes.

 

[Mrc]

It's way un imaginable the bull crap Indian military produce and bhagats swallow

I mean this bull crap about operational restrictions on 7 may

One may ask if you did not want to engage paf why did you bring 70 fighters

Was the aim actually to be shot down?

And what correction did you make? Why didn't you go in again with 70 aircraft and shoot some of ours down especially after losing so many in first engagement?


Brain dead bhagats and some pakistanis as well who swallow such pills

 

[KingQamaR]

All I am saying is that the news that came out earlier about jf17 shooting down a mig 29 would have helped export but unfortunately that did not happen. We are pretty much marketing for china and they are going to get billions in their exchequer over the next few years by selling j10s.

JF-17 is a highly underrated fighter…. I agree it needs to go beyond, Azerbaijan, Nigeria, Myanmar for it to be on a global stage with F16, Saab& Rafale.