Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

ARMalik said:
Rumours are that Apparently Dassualt have received confirmation of a 5TH RAFALE JET DESTROYED !!! Data received from the pilot seat which was ejected from this Rafale !
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told ya bubba, there is alot more losses we dont know about
so this drags em into 8-0?! SHEESH
 
ARMalik said:
Just conveying the chatter. Apparently Martin-Braker have told Dassualt that they have an ejection signal from a 5th Rafale but indians are unwilling to cooperate with them. Remember 4-Rafale are confirmed downed by Dassualt itself so it is not a rumour anymore.
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Ejection seats DON'T provide signals back to Martin Baker. That would be a major violation of the trust of the seat for an operator, as it would violate military security and secrecy .. Any operator will be able to tell if there is a transmitter embedded as there are not many places to "hide" a transmitter, and there is no way Martin Baker can ever justify the need of a transmitter either. Please stop....

Additionally, Dassualt have not confirmed the number of India losses, just that there may be at least "one" lost. Nothing else.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Ejection seats DON'T provide signals back to Martin Baker. That would be a major violation of the trust of the seat for an operator, as it would violate military security and secrecy ..

Additionally, Dassualt have not confirmed the number of India losses, just that there may be at least "one" lost. Nothing else.
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yeeeee i dont believe so far, at max 4 rafales
 
NationalistPKDude132 said:
told ya bubba, there is alot more losses we dont know about
so this drags em into 8-0?! SHEESH
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100%. This is exactly what I have been saying - Indian LOSSES ARE MUCH MORE ! It is Pakistan Govt which decided to stick with a certain number to give India some face saving to defuse the situation.
 
ARMalik said:
100%. This is exactly what I have been saying - Indian LOSSES ARE MUCH MORE ! It is Pakistan Govt which decided to stick with a certain number to give India some face saving to defuse the situation.
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maybe maybe not we will know years from now
 
vasanthm said:
The criminal politician issue is a challenge, no doubt, but it reflects systemic delays and political misuse of legal cases, not the absence of rule of law. India’s institutions do function, just not always as fast or cleanly as we’d like. uninformed voters exist everywhere. The strength of Indian democracy is that power still rests with the people, not unelected institutions or shadowy gatekeepers. It’s a work in progress, but it’s ours.
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1. Delay of justice is the absence of justice. Now when this directly influences who is or isn't elected to a nation's cabinet, then the delay of justice actually leads to criminals having a chance to rule over you. That is aside from the ACTUAL CONVICTED CRIMINALS elected in 2024 - a point that you have decided to ignore from my initial posting of the article.

Most mature democracy driven countries simply suspend any official or candidate while investigations are ongoing for a criminal charge. That Indians think it is acceptable and "power of the people" when such individuals are not suspended or disqualified speaks volumes of your lack of understanding of western style democracy and rule of law as concepts.

2. Uninformed voters do exist everywhere. This is why a balanced media is crucial to permit voters to be as well informed as possible before making a decision. So when India's government does this:

www.theguardian.com

India invokes emergency laws to ban BBC Modi documentary

Government accused of ‘censorship’ over ban on film about PM’s role in violence during 2002 Gujarat riots
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

thediplomat.com

Modi’s India Is a Dangerous Place for Standup Comedians

Right-wing political activists went on a rampage against comedian Kunal Kamra for cracking jokes about ruling party politicians.
thediplomat.com

Indian journalists turned to YouTube to dodge Modi’s censorship. Some of their channels are now being blocked

reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk

...leaving aside the conflict of interest in a ruling party facilitating its own survival by enacting ordinance to that end, such acts leave a citizenry uninformed and brainwashed because they are exposed to only one narrative.

It is akin to Russia's version of pseudo-democracy, known formally as electoral autocracy. Essentially, the old ladies waving purple ink on their fingers is a mere photo opp for appeasement.

By the way, India did achieve this notable milestone in political evolution itself over 5 years back and is still going strong:

www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-one-of-the-worst-autocratisers-v-dem-report-on-democracy/article67939573.ece/amp/

Sorry for explaining "democracy 101" in this most basic and patronising way - thought it might be useful to folks in such an advanced stage of denial.
 
vasanthm said:
Welcome to the messiness of Indian democracy, where trials can drag for decades and even vigilante justice gets aired live. Personally, I think Atiq was good riddance, but I’d have preferred the courts to handle it the right way.
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The fake pride for "messiness of Indian democracy" aside, if it is so difficult to get justice in a timely manner in Hindustan, then how can you decide the perpetrators of the Pahalgam attacks are Pakistani so quickly and start a war over this conclusion? Are your institutions selectively "messy"?
 
ARMalik said:
Just conveying the chatter. Apparently Martin-Braker have told Dassualt that they have an ejection signal from a 5th Rafale but indians are unwilling to cooperate with them. Remember 4-Rafale are confirmed downed by Dassualt itself so it is not a rumour anymore.
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Seats dont send signals to MB, unsure where you heard this but someone was probably winding you up
 
Ali_Baba said:
Ejection seats DON'T provide signals back to Martin Baker. That would be a major violation of the trust of the seat for an operator, as it would violate military security and secrecy ..

Additionally, Dassualt have not confirmed the number of India losses, just that there may be at least "one" lost. Nothing else.
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Not directly but all seats have sensors for detecting altitude, airspeed, and orientation so surely they have would have emergency pilot location becon. Otherwise how would you recover a pilot stuck in a remote location? They also have survival kit for downed pilots even containing radios for communication.
 
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