Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Baibers_1260]

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Mahadev Peak - Wikipedia

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Editing Wikipedia is easy l have done it myself. I could edit that shortly for your benefit.
Here is the AI generated info:

Mohiuddin Peak (Moh I Din Peak) is a mountain peak in Kashmir
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Key facts about the peak:

• Location: Harwan, Jammu and Kashmir, India.
• Elevation: It reaches 4,760 m (15,620 ft).
• Significance: It is a prominent peak in the Pir Panjal range. Some sources also list the peak as Tratte koot.

 

[Cash gk]

It’s really fun watching the Indian Parliament right now. It’s really enjoyable seeing Modi in such trouble.

 

[Cash gk]

Rahul Gandhi accepted there were five Indian jets were down?
Abb Bajwo bajja lol

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[Waz]

The quote by a retired Air Marshal was long back. I haven’t quoted anyone in the past few posts.
It was my own deduction based on basic measurements and blast impact on the hangar.
The blast impact clearly indicates that all the sides of the hangar have been either blown away or there is a huge bulge.

The intricate science of blast is beyond me. Inspite of assurances and claims by many respected members, the lingering doubt remains.

In any case, I had to say my piece and have got decent responses from you and @side-winder.
I wouldn’t take it any further.

I got it confused with another poster, sorry about that. But it's used often as proof, which is odd as it corelates with what I am writing here.
The rest I have tackled in my posts on why there wasn't enough destructive force to take out a plane.
Fair enough about the discussion, it was good to discuss with you, as always I might add.

 

[Cash gk]

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[Master Chief]

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The regulars on these threads and the BJP politicians won't respond. They will stick their fingers in their ears and declare Gandhi to be "anti-national".

Indians are now challenging Modi to state openly that which forum Pakistanis challenged him to do weeks ago.

Truly our forum is prophetic on such matters.

Modi needs to rebuff Trump personally and state clearly for all Indians that USA had no involvement in the ceasefire discussion and that no jets were shot down.

Next week, I assure you, Gandhi will also demand to know the status of a certain female pilot.

Behold, Indians. Kneel before PDF, for we teach you your own future.

 

[wgr2025]

Exactly

Even his profile picture that he has zoomed 200 times for his own satisfaction, if we look at the actual picture without zoom then we would see that at least 60% of the roof hanger remained intact and wasn't destroyed in that hit

But then this poor gur needed something for own satisfaction after dismal IAF performance so he can imagine that half of PAF fleet was inside that hanger and it all got completely destroyed

lets imagine there was a aircraft in that hangar and lets assume it was either damaged or destroyed.. So what? PAF Shot Indian Jets in the Air.. Thats how you establish air Superiority.. not by destroying grounded assets. It does not make up for Dismal performance of IAF. It does show that Brahmos is good at its Job and we need a counter

 

[Meengla]

I am surprised no one brings up one of the major points about this conflict. I had already said that this was the most intense conflict between India and Pakistan since 1971; some did'n't agree with me. Fine. But Pakistan's PM Shehbaz Sharif is on record to have said that Pakistan has paid back for the 1971 defeat and recently Pravin Swahini also said something like 'Since 1971, the Indian military was globally perceived stronger than Pakistan but the 4-Day Conflict between May 7 and 10 has changed the global perception where now the world thinks Pakistan can challenge India'.

From now on, whenever Indians bring up the Pakistani General Niazi signing surrender documents in 1971, Pakistanis have plenty to embarrass the Indians with. No longer can Indians call the 2019 Abhinandan humiliation as a One Off event.

 

[Meengla]

n a full fledged war that is to come I am sure our GHQ has designated some resources to take out the spectacular temples in the only "dev bhumi " on the planet. That will be for the history books to be written by whoever survives or by the historians of other nations.
It's a religious war and we should drop any pretense it is about terrorism, territory, or water resources.
Places of worship are legitimate targets.

I am surprised and saddened by such thoughts. Not only there are moral questions about what you are saying but also why waste the precious weaponry on places of worship? Pakistan already has far limited firepower than India and so not only morally not right but also in terms of 'efficient' use of what's available should be considered.
There are plenty of juicy military and infrastructure targets in India to spend the weaponry and ammo on.

 

[Areesh]

lets imagine there was a aircraft in that hangar and lets assume it was either damaged or destroyed.. So what? PAF Shot Indian Jets in the Air.. Thats how you establish air Superiority.. not by destroying grounded assets. It does not make up for Dismal performance of IAF. It does show that Brahmos is good at its Job and we need a counter

Agreed

However there is no proof that IAF managed to destroy any aerial asset of PAF and that is what we are discussing when countering desperate Indian efforts to earn a kill for IAF

 

[Meengla]

PAFs original claim was 3 Rafales out of the 5 on the night of the first attack. PAF later on revised that number to 4 Rafales as 1 was written off after it managed to limp back home.
Most people are still referring to the crashes on the first night and are not including the write-offs. PAF has made a claim for 1 written off Rafale as well.

Yes, one Rafale 'limped back' is the most likely explanation for Pakistan's 'four Rafale downed' claim which was asserted by Pakistan's PM several days after the conflict ended in May 2025.
So 5 Indian fighter jets 'downed'. I don't mind a 5-0 count!

 

[wgr2025]

Agreed

However there is no proof that IAF managed to destroy any aerial asset of PAF and that is what we are discussing when countering desperate Indian efforts to earn a kill for IAF

how would it be an IAF kill? there is no proof that Missile that struck airbase was Air based or Ground Based attack. We all know they were grounded for at least 2 days admitted by CDS chuhan In Singapore. May Conflict has proven incompetency of IAF beyond any doubt

 

[Areesh]

Important observation

 

[Cash gk]

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[Meengla]

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This is a very interesting debate: Indeed, Indian jets went toward Pakistan to target ground targets which were all civilians (which India calls 'terrorist' sites) but what kind of foolishness was that they didn't expect Pakistan to not counter the Indian jets? So in a way I give some leeway to the Indian airforce because their primary goal as given by the civilian leadersship was not targeting the Pakistani military sites, but that strategy not only showed a stupid war doctrine but also showed cowardice in India to attack the Pakistani military sites. Just think about that!!
About Rahul Gandhi: Before May 7, I could tell that the Indian Congress Party really wanted Modi to go all gung-ho to attack Pakistan because Mr. Gandhi may have expected a humiliation in a conflict against Pakistan and was later going to take full political advantage of any Modi humiliation--and not only Gandhi but there are several left wing Indian channels now busy tearing Modi apart. Good!