Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Terracotta Warrior said:
Noted. But then, why doesn’t that same logic apply to the PAF’s claim of hitting S-400 batteries in Udhampur and Bhuj? The only official 'evidence' I’ve seen is two before-and-after satellite images of an S-400 radar — with the radar missing in the 'after' image — leading to the assumption that it must have been destroyed. But that’s hardly conclusive, is it?
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No person worth his salt stands by these claims of destroying S400. Same goes for successful attacks on Indian bases.

I have seen only fanboys and casual posters trying to claim success of these attacks. Even ISPR just mentioned that they attacked on X number of bases. They also went quiet after that because they must have assessed that the attacks didn’t work out as envisaged.
 
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Terracotta Warrior said:
Noted. But then, why doesn’t that same logic apply to the PAF’s claim of hitting S-400 batteries in Udhampur and Bhuj? The only official 'evidence' I’ve seen is two before-and-after satellite images of an S-400 radar — with the radar missing in the 'after' image — leading to the assumption that it must have been destroyed. But that’s hardly conclusive, is it?
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Only guidance/ tracking radars were hit and acknowledged by the PAF in the presentation. No batteries were taken out.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Since they were at the base, they are unlikely to be in use when attacked. Since, the primary purpose of these was for dispersed state. @side-winder has touched upon this aspect in his post above.

Operationally, this attack may not have had any impact on PAF capability. But, it was still a high value assest and showed precise attack capability of IAF.
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2-3 million dollars at most - you are talking about a trailer full of workstations and large screens and some secure comms stuff, all of which is locally sourced or off the shelf commodity items, not expensive stuff.
 
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Yasser76 said:
Gandhi Junior going to town on Modi's ass was an unexpected and nice bonus to all this.

Never seen him attack Modi so confidently
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It was excellent to see them all poke holes in India's narrative. If India's politicans are all saying 5 losses ( which means 6, once you factor in the written off Rafale ) then no Indian on this forum can deny 5. They are argue on 6, but not on 5 ... that is now a matter of historical fact.
 
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Vkdindian1 said:
No person worth his salt stands by these claims of destroying S400. Same goes for successful attacks on Indian bases.
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The Russian Telegram channels differ with you. The Russians are pretty annoyed about the fact that their Cheeseboard Radar is vulnerable to Chinese Anti-Radiation missiles and hopefully the Pakistanis will not pass on the intelligence to Ukraine ( which they probably have). S-400s are not invincible. With sufficient drone attacks they can be destroyed

A one shot anti-radiation missile is a different situation and the Indian S-400s should have survived that, However the fact thst China itself fields the S-400 system and knows how to work around it led to the development of the CM-400 AKG missile that destroyed the Indian S-400 batteries.
An interesting development:
Turkey may evaluate transferring its Russian-origin S-400 systems to the U.S. in order to return to the F-35 stealth fighter program

www.zona-militar.com

Turkey may evaluate transferring its Russian-origin S-400 systems to the U.S. in order to return to the F-35 stealth fighter program

In a new chapter of Turkey's quest for fifth-generation fighters, local media in the U.S. and Turkey have recently echoed a renewed proposal from the U.S.
www.zona-militar.com www.zona-militar.com

Turkey and Pakistan are allies, so enough said.
 
Ali_Baba said:
It was excellent to see them all poke holes in India's narrative. If India's politicans are all saying 5 losses ( which means 6, once you factor in the written off Rafale ) then no Indian on this forum can deny 5. They are argue on 6, but not on 5 ... that is now a matter of historical fact.
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Pretty firm now. Globally the 5 number is what every keeps mentioning.

6th loss and the exact types lost is the ongoing debate here.....
 
Yasser76 said:
Pretty firm now. Globally the 5 number is what every keeps mentioning.
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There is growing suspicion that the numbers are much larger. A loss of 5 aircraft in a single dogfight isn't that great, considering that it has happened before to India at the hands of the Pakistani Air Force.
India lost 4 Vampires in a single engagement in 1965 and freely admitted the losses.


Extract:
" In the ensuing battle, 4 vampires were lost to air combat and ground fire. Two vampires were shot down by Pakistani F86"

It will be interesting how the families of the pilots killed will react.
 
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Corax said:
Are you like 15 years old or something? Why did you send over 70 fighters to attack a few mosques on 7 May? You could have done the same thing you did on the 10th, fire a few brahmis and alcm from over 180km away. You were then grounded for 2 days, why? Because you had no answer to the PAFs response on 7 May. You are now forced to keep at least 180km from the border. You didn't engage the PAF, because you had no idea your fighters were being targeted and engaged. Even your own CDs said the same thing, your hindutva cow dung eating BJP leader even said you lost 5 fighters. Prepubescent tunnis like you can hide in your mum's basement, but in defence and strategic circles, the world knows what happened. Trust me little boy, your IAF had its ass handed to it on a plate.
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That is inspiring
 
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