Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Baibers_1260 said:
Supersonic. cruise missiles are not invincible. Ukraine has all but nullified the Russian Kalibr and Bastion missiles and their derivatives have been successfully rendered irrelevant by Ukraine and Israel using Patriot systems.
Hypersonic missiles such as the Khinzal are far more difficult to intercept but even these have been downed when attacking point defenses. Patriots have come a long way since 1991 Desert storm. Today these systems are vastly improved making defended air space almost impenetrable.

Pakistan would need some good diplomacy to get Patriot missile defence systems which would be far more valuable than F-16s Since Patriot systems are purely defensive there should be no problem getting these. .
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Anything not able to integrate into existing system may be a waste of resources. Think they will stick to Chinese SAMs

But yes, Patriot is very good
 
falcon34 said:
I don't think a trailer is that pricey or a high value target,
Surely if they were not operational no equipment would be installed on them. But the indians knew about it.
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Value of a target may not be always in terms of monetary value but also its importance. Targeting of this nature also displays capability to strike with precison. We all know that Nur Khan is not just any other base and has immense strategic value due to the facilities located there, as well as its proximity to Islamabad and GHQ.
In any case, these strikes by India were in no way supposed to be debilitating considering the number of missiles fired. They were only meant to display the capability to strike wide and deep with accuracy. Which was displayed without any doubt.

Had the intent been to cause damage, then few hundred would have been fired to cause significant damage all across. But that would have resulted in an escalation, which no one wanted.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Had the intent been to cause damage, then few hundred would have been fired to cause significant damage all across. But that would have resulted in an escalation, which no one wanted
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<<< But that would have resulted in escalation which no one wanted >>>
1. Define "no one". Who is "no one" ? Based on the recent Lok Sabha debate, 100% of the opposition MPs supported continuation of the war, and no ceasefire regardless of escalation. What they didn't want was a ceasefire. Escalation was very much acceptable.
Not a single Indian Armed Forces official has ever said they didn't want escalation. Every single press briefing has mentioned only the success of air and missile strikes on Pakistani civilians ( "terrorists "), and destruction of Pakistani airbases and air-defence systems. So where does the term "escalation ". come from,

2. Define escalation. If as in the past India has won all the "escalation " that converted skirmishes into wars , then what made this situation so different.
 
Baibers_1260 said:
Totally in agreement with you 👍,and once again am deeply grateful for the education
Here is some attempted logic:
Post-Operation Sindoor, India knows our our air defense assets are already degraded and indefensible, so India will destroy us in the next war.
Breaking a few stone idols though inconsequential militarily, would be a huge headline grabber, and stuff historians would pen into their history books for future generations to read.

Responding to enemy aggression by going for military targets and aircraft achieved nothing.
instead targeting places of worship which might have been easier targets
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A dozen small temples along the line of control in Indian Occupied Kashmir were targeted and demolished with long range 155 mm artillery fire. Their towers and locations on peaks were used as counter-battery detection sensors and observation points . About 20 Hindus who chose to remain there were killed, but these are small targets that didn't grab the headlines, and India doesn't care about its border population anyway.
In a full fledged war that is to come, a war when Pakistan passes into the history books, I am sure our GHQ has designated some resources to take out the spectacular temples. That will be for the history books to be written by whoever survives 😊
It's a religious war, and it is not about terrorism, territory, or water resources.
Our places of worship have been struck as legitimate targets, so the enemy's places of worship are legitimate targets too.

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Can you back this nonsense with some sort of proof or should I take it with truck load of salt like Banyanul Marsus? I am wondering why India hasn't use this as a pretext to mount a diplomatic offense against Pakistan? Remember they made stories about Pakistan trying to hit Golden Temple. One obvious reason is, no such thing happened on ground instead more heresay and make believe stories. Pakistan will be put under severe sanctions in case it is proven that Pakistan deliberately hit religous places without a pretext. Now, if Indian attack on our places of worship is concerned there has been a history behind it and it's globally known fact that all UN proscrbied organizations like LeT uses Mosques as their HQ. War is NOT waged for head counts and false glories like you are proposing but to secure the strategic objectives. Killing say, 100,000/- Hindus and destorying say 200 big temples will give us what in strategic terms while you yourself are admitting that in next war there is a possibility of complete annihilation of Pakistani ADS or Air Force or Both .. I also think the same so in such situation, what must be we prepared for? Kill humans and destory some temples while India will finish the story of Pakistan (Allah Forbid) ... this is what you want? This is you call strategy? This is your wisdom? History books are always written by victorious party. Remember it, so think about winning the next round instead of worrying about what history books will say about you.
 
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Pakistan's retired Air Commodore is a credible resource. Starting this part of the video, he is saying Pakistan shot down 4 Rafales but have decided to move on from the debate of the Rafale count but Trump may be getting angry at India and he may release some audio recordings from the May 2025 conflict.

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PakShaheen_79 said:
Can you back this nonsense with some sort of proof or should I take it with truck load of salt like Banyanul Marsus? I am wondering why India hasn't use this as a pretext to mount a diplomatic offense against Pakistan? Remember they made stries about Pakistan trying to hit Golden Temple. One obvious reason is, no such thing happened on ground instead more heresay and make believe stories. Pakistan will put under severe sanctions in case it is proven that Pakistan deliberately hit religous places without a pretext. Now, if Indian attack on our places of worship is concerned there has been a history behind it and it's globally known fact that all UN proscrbied organizations like LeT uses Mosques as their HQ. War is NOT waged for head counts and false glories like you are proposing but to secure the strategic objectives. Killing say, 100,000/- Hindus and destorying say 200 big temples will give us what in strategic terms while you yourself are admitting that in next war there is a possibility of complete annihilation of Pakistani ADS or Air Force or Both .. I also think the same so in such situation, what must be we prepared for? Kill humans and destory some temples while India will finish the story of Pakistan (Allah Forbid) ... this is what you want? This is you call strategy? This is your wisdom? History books are always written by victorious party. Remember it, so think about winning the next round instead of worrying about what history books will say about you.
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Thank you again, for an extremely educational comment.
To confirm what you said:
Since "UN proscribed LET uses mosques" then that of course gives every country in the world, particularly India, the full right to target every mosque and school in Pakistan on the declaration that these are terrorist centers, So India is doing just that, entirely in accordance with the UN Charter, and "basic human decency ". This law applies globally to the entire world including mosques in Gaza, Syria, Iraq, Bosnia et.

India could target the Faisal Mosque in Islamabad too.
But we Pakistanis are "terrorists" so we will do what "terrorists" do. We will respond to the innocent "anti-terrorist Indian" with an equivalent destruction of their religious places.
India can destroy the Badshahi mosque in Lahore, but it's not the same thing psychologically as the destruction of the Ram Temple in Ayodhya. ( once again ! ).
A parallel:
The Buddhist Myanmar Army demolished hundreds of mud and thatch Rohingya "terrorist" mosques in Myanmar, These were not psychologically as damaging as the Taliban's destruction of the Bamyan Buddha statues in Afghanistan

So unless India targets Mecca in Saudi Arabia ( we would love ❤️ to see India do that ! ) there are no psychologically equivalent targets in Pakistan. Meanwhile our missile programming crews have pre-programmed the coordinates into our missiles to hit Ayodhya, Mathura, Kashi, Dwarka, Kedarnath, Amarnath, Kedarnath, Badrinath, and maybe Puri, Tirupati and Madurai. Nepal with Pashupatinath would be untouched.
In the next round it is interesting to see where this is going.
Don't want to get religious in violation of forum rules, but Martyrdom is a concept that is hard to explain. Historically it is easier. The Mongols were initially victorious, killing over 90% of the then Muslim global population destroying Baghdad Damascus, and all the cities home to the culture and civilization of the era. . If history is written by the victors then history records that the Mongols themselves intermarried and converted to the faith of those they were trying to oppress. This eventually resulted in the destruction of every single Mongol Tenger shrine confining Mongols back to their barren steppes in landlocked Mongolia.

By the way the Chinese have Mount Kailash and they use the peak for high altitude missile defence, and surveillance. Chinese have built crew quarters there, complete with washrooms. The Chinese use the water from the nearby Lake Mansarovar for their washroom water supply.
India's retaliation for this act of sacrilege is yet awaited for 62 years. There are no calls for sanctions on China either 😊
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A bit of history here:
In South Asian culture the mutual demolition of houses of worship is a common practice in warfare. House of worship demolitions have been going on for thousands of years, This originally started when Jains, Buddhists and Hindus were at loggerheads with one another for 1000 years after King Ashoka, died in 232 BCE. Temples were often demolished or changed hands though militarily inconsequential they were captured with ruthless efficiency to deal a psychological blow to the conquered .
When the "invaders " from the north west arrived they found some temples had vast treasures of gold and silver offered by devotees. These select temples were captured or demolished primarily for their treasures with a veneer of religious anti-idolatry fervor added for appearances.
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Vkdindian1 said:
Value of a target may not be always in terms of monetary value but also its importance. Targeting of this nature also displays capability to strike with precison. We all know that Nur Khan is not just any other base and has immense strategic value due to the facilities located there, as well as its proximity to Islamabad and GHQ.
In any case, these strikes by India were in no way supposed to be debilitating considering the number of missiles fired. They were only meant to display the capability to strike wide and deep with accuracy. Which was displayed without any doubt.

Had the intent been to cause damage, then few hundred would have been fired to cause significant damage all across. But that would have resulted in an escalation, which no one wanted.
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India only resorted to missile strikes because its AF totally failed. It was a pitiful attempt to salvage some semblance of dignity from epic humiliation. The resulting damage was limited and ‘easily repairable during operations’. All the rest - importance of targets, proximity to GHQ, ifs buts and would haves are BS cope only invented by Indians and for Indians still struggling to face upto the humbling slapping they were dealt. Second one since 2019 & much more severe this time. ‘Slow learners’ indeed.
 
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