Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Cipher212]

Could very well be a case of simple mishandling. Such incidents are not unheard of.

They happen way too much to Indian soldiers when posted in Kashmir. Never anywhere else in the country. Why so?

At one point we were getting news of Indian soldiers dying from a fall or apparently going into their own barracks and shooting. All sounds like cover up.

 

[RescueRanger]

Why all this sudden talk of "round 2"?

Mental illness what's why.

 

[RescueRanger]

Accidental grenade blast as per local sources.

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Guess he missed the memo that clearly stated those things are not to be used as suppositories.

 

[Path-Finder]

Before or after they get those 114 rafales?

those rafales will come in decades. operation sindoor will have to be divorced! you cannot keep harping about it till then. maybe operation mungal sootar will transpire!

 

[hasssanali8998]

They happen way too much to Indian soldiers when posted in Kashmir. Never anywhere else in the country. Why so?

At one point we were getting news of Indian soldiers dying from a fall or apparently going into their own barracks and shooting. All sounds like cover up.

yes and they have too many incidents of crashes in the mountains

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Trump again with 7-0 claim. India humiliation ritual continues.

 

[marj786]

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Trump again with 7-0 claim. India humiliation ritual continues.

I just love reading posts like these where Indians are being humiliated left and right , you get a lot of Chinese guys trolling Indians on YouTube.
funny side note once a subedar told me that the path to general is paved with excellence in buttering so I believe Mr trump when he says he loved those words

 

[flyingorca]

More humiliation for India by their own old trusted ally Russia.
(At 4:00)
The Russian owner of this YT channel believes 1 to 5 Rafales were shot down by PAF and he also states that LCA and AMCA projects are failure

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[Gregor Clegane]

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[Vkdindian1]

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Any credit of any success to India is either a lie or motivated or paid propaganda.

The operation started and ended on 7th, because that is the day India lost few aircraft.

 

[Hayabusa]

Any credit of any success to India is either a lie or motivated or paid propaganda.

The operation started and ended on 7th, because that is the day India lost few aircraft.

Unlike the typical users on platforms like Reddit and X, many Pakistanis here acknowledge the significant damage inflicted by India's BrahMos missile strikes. They have also highlighted the key moment of vulnerability and subsequent learning for the nation's defense establishment.

The defense apparatus in Pakistan was initially caught blindsided by the unexpected and rapid escalation from India, which involved the use of the BrahMos missile between May 7 and May 9. This surprise factor made the initial response difficult, but the situation quickly became a catalyst for a robust counteraction.

However, this initial surprise does not imply a lack of response or subsequent strategic learning. Pakistan later initiated Operation Bunyan Un Marsoos, a crucial counter-operation that is frequently forgotten by Indians, who kept on harping on the 11 "destroyed" bases.

The S-400 systems, attacks on Indian bases have been admitted by their own military personnel. Public statements from an Indian Colonel and a Wing Commander, including calls for a ceasefire, serve as an internal confirmation that Pakistan did not passively absorb the initial attacks, contrary to what some Indian narratives suggest.

So to go back, why the events of May 7th hold particular significance for Pakistan, is because they are seen as having countered Prime Minister Modi's previous assertions of military superiority. By pressing the trigger and escalating the situation when attacked, Pakistan has signaled a clear strategic resolve and will. This aggressive response proved the assessments of certain Indian think tanks that Pakistan won't respond (not learning their lesson from 2019), forced them to pay a price for their miscalculation.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Pakistan later initiated Operation Bunyan Un Marsoos, a crucial counter-operation that is frequently forgotten by Indians, who kept on harping on the 11 "destroyed" bases.

The S-400 systems, attacks on Indian bases have been admitted by their own military personnel. Public statements from an Indian Colonel and a Wing Commander, including calls for a ceasefire, serve as an internal confirmation that Pakistan did not passively absorb the initial attacks, contrary to what some Indian narratives suggest.

Your rest of the argument isn’t bad, except the part I have quoted above.
Op BuM was a dud. The reasons have been discussed to death.
Calls for a ceasefire weren’t from a position of weakness as purported by many posters. India had offered a ceasefire as early as 7th May. The day after they had lost fighters as a gesture of not escalating. Munir and Co, decided against it and launched BuM. What did they achieve in that?

All claims of success of BuM are circumstantial. S400 destroyed, C2 nod attacked and other damages are based on, so and so said this and that, it means this.
Sorry, these may be good for believers but not for those who seek evidence based BDA. There is non for BuM.
Optics for loosing aircraft are far bigger. Hence, I do grant it to Pakistan. IAF blundered on day one.
But, attempts to make it only one sided?

This aggressive response proved the assessments of certain Indian think tanks that Pakistan won't respond

No one thought that Pakistan wouldn’t respond. It responded with BuM. Did BuM cause a dent? Because 7th May wasn’t BuM, but a tactical response to Sindoor.

 

[TAC]

Your rest of the argument isn’t bad, except the part I have quoted above.
Op BuM was a dud. The reasons have been discussed to death.
Calls for a ceasefire weren’t from a position of weakness as purported by many posters. India had offered a ceasefire as early as 7th May. The day after they had lost fighters as a gesture of not escalating. Munir and Co, decided against it and launched BuM. What did they achieve in that?

All claims of success of BuM are circumstantial. S400 destroyed, C2 nod attacked and other damages are based on, so and so said this and that, it means this.
Sorry, these may be good for believers but not for those who seek evidence based BDA. There is non for BuM.
Optics for loosing aircraft are far bigger. Hence, I do grant it to Pakistan. IAF blundered on day one.
But, attempts to make it only one sided?


No one thought that Pakistan wouldn’t respond. It responded with BuM. Did BuM cause a dent? Because 7th May wasn’t BuM, but a tactical response to Sindoor.

7th was the most important part of this conflict & everyone knows how one sided that was.
Everything subsequent was India desperately trying to salvage some semblance of dignity / face saving from what was and is utter humiliation.
The results of those efforts were limited damage on both sides but it gave India something to show their public mixed in with generous helping of comical claims like those of the IAF Cheif to hide their blushes. Compliant Indian public who desperately wants to believe they ‘won’ are only to eager to buy this BS like ‘ghar me ghus ke Mara’ so all is well.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Your rest of the argument isn’t bad, except the part I have quoted above.
Op BuM was a dud. The reasons have been discussed to death.
Calls for a ceasefire weren’t from a position of weakness as purported by many posters. India had offered a ceasefire as early as 7th May. The day after they had lost fighters as a gesture of not escalating. Munir and Co, decided against it and launched BuM. What did they achieve in that?

All claims of success of BuM are circumstantial. S400 destroyed, C2 nod attacked and other damages are based on, so and so said this and that, it means this.
Sorry, these may be good for believers but not for those who seek evidence based BDA. There is non for BuM.
Optics for loosing aircraft are far bigger. Hence, I do grant it to Pakistan. IAF blundered on day one.
But, attempts to make it only one sided?


No one thought that Pakistan wouldn’t respond. It responded with BuM. Did BuM cause a dent? Because 7th May wasn’t BuM, but a tactical response to Sindoor.

1. no missile/rocket debris showed
2. Shivangi still missing
3. at least 3 S400 guards and operator dead
4. numerous soldiers died between 6th and 10th May


right!

1. Operation BUM was a dud
2. no c2 was damaged/attacked
3. S400 was not damaged



now go watch 'Galwan valley' latest bollywood block buster, because movie on Shivangi heroics isnt coming any time soon!

 

[Hayabusa]

Your rest of the argument isn’t bad, except the part I have quoted above.
Op BuM was a dud. The reasons have been discussed to death.
Calls for a ceasefire weren’t from a position of weakness as purported by many posters. India had offered a ceasefire as early as 7th May. The day after they had lost fighters as a gesture of not escalating. Munir and Co, decided against it and launched BuM. What did they achieve in that?

All claims of success of BuM are circumstantial. S400 destroyed, C2 nod attacked and other damages are based on, so and so said this and that, it means this.
Sorry, these may be good for believers but not for those who seek evidence based BDA. There is non for BuM.
Optics for loosing aircraft are far bigger. Hence, I do grant it to Pakistan. IAF blundered on day one.
But, attempts to make it only one sided?


No one thought that Pakistan wouldn’t respond. It responded with BuM. Did BuM cause a dent? Because 7th May wasn’t BuM, but a tactical response to Sindoor.

Of course to an Indian, everything coming out from Pakistan is a dud. Till today you guys have not even acknowledged the lost of your Rafales despite the tail number and an engine resembling it laying on the field. Heck, Alan Warnes openly released the tail numbers, and it has not even been debunked yet. Do you think India will admit to the loss of S-400? Not in our lifetime surely. And I don't blame you guys either cause it's a matter of national pride.

The air battle surely is one sided. But the ground battle may be or less equivalent with India edging out due to satellite images. Not forgetting some of the claims are also exaggerated from India's side e.g. Chunian radar which is still operational. However. Pakistan will learn from this, and have already started through the establishment of ARFC.

BuM damages may not be proven in terms of satellite images ( as per Indian) but has surely caused more than a dent. Enough for your Colonel and Wing Commander to hint to admit to damages and hint talks on de-escalation ( watch the video again). That was the final trade of blows before the ceasefire came in.

If anything, Pakistan has responded back. So once again, please don't make it seem that India went off scot free in terms of rocket attacks. Lastly, I rather trust Alan Warnes, a publisher of an air force magazine read by people all around the world, then random Indians claiming our operation was a dud. No explanation needed.