Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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Be dazzled said:
You are clueless about PN asset disbursement mate.
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Highly possible. Navy assets can remain in shadows more than those of the other forces.
Same rule applies to IN assets. Aircraft carrier was just one of them and it’s location is no indication of other vessels. Even if few more were detected, many more can remain undetected and do the damage if called for.
Signalian said:
However, this is where IN failed to capitalize due to PAF/PN deterrence and its common sense that losing an aircraft vis-a-vis losing an aircraft carrier or a ship for that matter are two different kinds of losses. PAF's long range missiles and PA's MLRS had already inflicted much damage to India that even sending in drones didn't make a dent in the outcome. An aircraft carrier entering the war zone during a conflict, is a potential game changer. It’s not just a new squadron of strike aircrafts coming from another direction but also a volley of Brahmos from ships. This is a massive failure of Indian military planners.
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You have painted an imaginary situation and declared a winner and a loser.
May events were a skirmish and both sides had plenty of options to escalate. IN wasn’t used for the same reason.
If escalation really was an aim then India could have fired 200 Brahmos and not less than 50, as was done.

There was definitely a failure but only on 7th May.

As far as tonnage goes, it is your side that has to explain where all the tonnage went. Infcat, it was your planners that were found wanting on all fronts after 7th May. No proof of achieving any damage other than the claim of dropping more tonnage than 1965 war.
While your high value assets were engaged with precision, same can’t be said by your side.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Highly possible. Navy assets can remain in shadows more than those of the other forces.
Same rule applies to IN assets. Aircraft carrier was just one of them and it’s location is no indication of other vessels. Even if few more were detected, many more can remain undetected and do the damage if called for.

You have painted an imaginary situation and declared a winner and a loser.
May events were a skirmish and both sides had plenty of options to escalate. IN wasn’t used for the same reason.
If escalation really was an aim then India could have fired 200 Brahmos and not less than 50, as was done.

There was definitely a failure but only on 7th May.

As far as tonnage goes, it is your side that has to explain where all the tonnage went. Infcat, it was your planners that were found wanting on all fronts after 7th May. No proof of achieving any damage other than the claim of dropping more tonnage than 1965 war.
While your high value assets were engaged with precision, same can’t be said by your side.
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What about the Indian S400 operator casualties injuries...
Though lack of solid tangible public evidence on our side is a thorn
 
Vkdindian1 said:
With more than half the PN docked at Gwadar, PN had a lot up it’s sleeve while IN with multiple times fleet had nothing.
It is good to be nationalist but being blind in that quest doesn’t fit for a TT.

The claims that PN knew all the activities of IN is counterintuitive because they think that they knew all IN moves and assets.
What if they didn’t know about assets they didn’t direct? And how would they know that they detected each and every asset of IN?

I have read all about it. You can claim the entire IAF if you want. Claiming and claiming with proof are poles apart which a TTA should be able to grasp. I agree on 4 aircraft, but beyond that? A TTA can do better.

A TT making an assessment that IN would move it’s ships to
Eastern seaboard while best assets of PN were docked at Gwadar doesn’t augur well for your title.

Please leave that kind of chest thumping to fanboys and do some real work expected out of a TTA.
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Here, this is an independent site with world renowned Experts including Indians.

Pakistan has at several occasions, detected Indian Submarines and other assets.

So Quoting your own Advice: Its okay to be Nationalist but no need to be overconfident about your power, that's exactly how you got the Rafales blown out of the sky, thinking they were invincible and Pakistan had nothing :

www.navalnews.com

Incident: Indian Navy Submarine Reported In International Waters Off Pakistan - Naval News

A video has surfaced, taken by the Pakistan Navy, showing a submarine operating at periscope depth. The snorkel and an optronic mast (like a periscope) are visible. Initial analysis supports claims that it an Indian Navy type.
www.navalnews.com www.navalnews.com
 
Be dazzled said:
You are clueless about PN asset disbursement mate.
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Indians live in "feel good" news where they want to believe that PN ran with tails behind their backs.

If anything we should be happy that they are underestimating us.
 
NA71 said:
Indian Dis-information ops attempt:
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In the mean time - TRUE News 👇

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Aggregate said:
Here, this is an independent site with world renowned Experts including Indians.
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And who told these world renowned publications about detection of IN submarines? I guess they had embedded journalists with PN or PN informed them about their own great success stories.

Has IN ever made any such declaration of success? It means either they are incompetent to the core or they keep quiet and go about doing what they are supposed to.

With a fleet of 12 P8Is, they must be darn useless to not detect anything at all or the Pak submarines have gained such high tech means that they remain undetected to any Indian effort.

You might take the option one here, but any serious observer knows the answer to this.

I go back to my initial observation. Which is - many posters have claimed all the success to themselves and all the failures to the other side.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
And who told these world renowned publications about detection of IN submarines? I guess they had embedded journalists with PN or PN informed them about their own great success stories.

Has IN ever made any such declaration of success? It means either they are incompetent to the core or they keep quiet and go about doing what they are supposed to.

With a fleet of 12 P8Is, they must be darn useless to not detect anything at all or the Pak submarines have gained such high tech means that they remain undetected to any Indian effort.

You might take the option one here, but any serious observer knows the answer to this.

I go back to my initial observation. Which is - many posters have claimed all the success to themselves and all the failures to the other side.
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This is how you lost Rafales. Thinking that India is invincible and nobody knows any better ... then getting your AF fu**ed and agreeing for a ceasefire on day 4.. after saying you're gonna break Pakistan. Instead you got ditched by the world and eternally abused by Trump.

This time run in with your navy and get them ******up as well, there is no solution to stupidity upon stupidity.
 
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