Pakistan is getting dry

[hasssanali8998]

So you don't believe Kashmir is Pakistan's jugular vein.

I guess that is a start to a civillozed discussion.

If only your government would agree, we can get the Kashmir and IWT issue sorted once and for all.

u seriously have zero comprehension skills


For god sake think before replying

 

[Blueishere]

Huh ???
When did I ever say that
And how is that relevant tho this discussion
U brought this up and now are asking me about this
Lost in your own pseudo intellectualism ??

I don’t have to believe everything my government says
Ajeeb

his year of researching Pakistan didn’t prepare him for someone with no surma, no turban, no shalwar kameez,( the shalwar above knees) and no taweez.

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[Master Chief]

Please go ahead and blow up the dams with your CM400..... exploded dams and water released out of it first destroy everything in Pakistan coming its way... from Infrastructure to population it's you who will be the paying price first for such stupidity....

Not to mention Indian retaliation with its missiles will be on the way to meet your dams like tarbela, mangla.....

War and attacking dams cannot be an option.... we should accept loc as permanent border and make peace deal with each other forever.... that's the only option....

CM400 ki language ko jawab Brahmos se mileage....

You don't get to tell us what our options are. We will not be negotiating with you people and your tea seller leader. That window for "negotiation" shut a long time ago.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Do not intentionally misrepresent the IWT and its terms on every thread you feel an urge to come and vomit over.

Once again for your benefit:

3 eastern rivers and 3 western rivers.

The sources of ALL 6 rivers, to varying degrees, exist in today's Hindustan AND the disputed territories occupied by Hindustan. The majority of the flood plains of the 6 rivers are split between Pakistan and Hindustan based on their relative utility by either nation.

The treaty is in place to mitigate a harmful and deleterious jurisdiction of Hindustan over ALL 6 river sources (particularly in the context of some sources being in disputed territory, but even notwithstanding that fact). The treaty ensures that United Nations binding resolutions on riparian rights during peacetime and wartime are adhered to by a particular malevolent actor.

Hindustan has no legal, diplomatic, contractual, or defensible basis on which to declare "abeyance". I don't think Hindustanis even understand what the word means or they wouldn't try to use it here.

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Such treaties do not hold much value.

Today, if India says it is cancelling the treaty, what can the World Bank do at most? Almost nothing.

As I said earlier, such matters mainly depend on the relationship between countries. For example, India and China do not have a similar water-sharing treaty.

Yes, there is the UN Watercourses Convention. If it were to apply, Pakistan would have to provide detailed data, justification, and remediation plans regarding water usage and wastage, since factors such as population, existing use, geography, climate, and economic needs are taken into consideration.

It does not require countries to follow a rigid or one-sided framework and share water blindly. Instead, it emphasizes reasonable and equitable use based on multiple factors.

 

[Master Chief]

Such treaties do not hold much value.

Today, if India says it is cancelling the treaty, what can the World Bank do at most? Almost nothing.

As I said earlier, such matters mainly depend on the relationship between countries. For example, India and China do not have a similar water-sharing treaty.

Yes, there is the UN Watercourses Convention. If it were to apply, Pakistan would have to provide detailed data, justification, and remediation plans regarding water usage and wastage, since factors such as population, existing use, geography, climate, and economic needs are taken into consideration.

It does not require countries to follow a rigid or one-sided framework and share water blindly. Instead, it emphasizes reasonable and equitable use based on multiple factors.

Go to the IWT thread and read the Watercourses Convention extracts posted there. Nobody claimed this Convention dictated terms on water sharing. It is in place to stop an upper riparian nation taking punitive measures against a lower riparian nation in times of conflict.

The IWT was designed to facilitate formal adherence to the these basic principles, since we believed that Baniya qoms can't be trusted otherwise.

We were wrong.

Some nations cannot be trusted even after they sign a legally binding document with the other party.

 

[Jaeger]

u seriously have zero comprehension skills


For god sake think before replying

Is it possible, that our misunderstanding is less due to my comprehension skils and more due to you trying to act ..ohh so cool.

So lets begin with you stop acting like a non chalant idiot and tell us your pov.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Is it possible, that our misunderstanding is less due to my comprehension skils

Nope u keep generalising and assuming my views
I don’t even have any views I just have been pointing the obvious derailing and u acting like a intellectual

u went from a person not knowing where rivers start to a assumptions about Pakistani society and hypothetical military operations

And the worse offence was going from Not knowing where rivers start to Kashmir belongs to us , so give us Kashmir Saar and then we can solve water issue one and for all

Just seriously think about things before typing

ohh so cool.

So lets begin with you stop acting like a non chalant idiot and tell us your pov.

uncle
Are u jealous??

 

[Jaeger]

Nope u keep generalising and assuming my views
I don’t even have any views I just have been pointing the obvious derailing and u acting like a intellectual

u went from a person not knowing where rivers start to a assumptions about Pakistani society and hypothetical military operations

And the worse offence was going from Not knowing where rivers start to Kashmir belongs to us , so give us Kashmir Saar and then we can solve water issue one and for all

Just seriously think about things before typing


uncle
Are u jealous??

You have no views and you have no opinions. You are just here to troll..Got it!

 

[hasssanali8998]

You have no views and you have no opinions. You are just here to troll..Got it!

Nope
Just pointing out your ur bs
If u think pointing out your arguments is trolling then idk what to say

I have not trolled u , if I do u will know it

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Go to the IWT thread and read the Watercourses Convention extracts posted there. Nobody claimed this Convention dictated terms on water sharing. It is in place to stop an upper riparian nation taking punitive measures against a lower riparian nation in times of conflict.

The IWT was designed to facilitate formal adherence to the these basic principles, since we believed that Baniya qoms can't be trusted otherwise.

We were wrong.

Some nations cannot be trusted even after they sign a legally binding document with the other party.

I will suggest you read it properly.

Just to hint that equitable and reasonable utilization of shared water resources is the main motive, as of now, Pakistan is getting most of the water shares.

even detailed data, justification, and remediation plans regarding water usage and wastage, since factors such as population, existing use, geography, climate, and economic needs are taken into consideration.

At present, Pakistan is not accountable for wasting waters; there is no proper water management. These things will not work under

Overall, Pakistan will lose bargaining power for more water. Even at present, Pakistan receives roughly 80%; the percentage will likely shrink if India puts things to better utilization of waters for local people.

At present, Pakistan is just enjoying the old treaty, but it would not be working since the climate is changing and Pakistan usually wastes most of the waters.

I never said the water supply should be stopped, but I am against the incompetence of successive Pakistani governments over the past 50 years. They have largely relied on blaming others instead of improving water management and building adequate dams and storage infrastructure. Now the world is starting to face the water crises, due to climate change, but it still just relies on blaming.

 

[Par 5]

River Water is still flowing (with a few local issues) under IWT. India is blabbering more on social media than the actual ground situation. If, however, India diverts our water two things will most certainly happen. China will plug Brahmaputra up north and we will MOST CERTAINLY blow up into oblivion any costly new dam or diversions built therein by India.

Question is that is India ready to take that high risk to pacify a false flagged ego?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

River Water is still flowing (with a few local issues) under IWT. India is blabbering more on social media than the actual ground situation. If, however, India diverts our water two things will most certainly happen. China will plug Brahmaputra up north and we will MOST CERTAINLY blow up into oblivion any costly new dam or diversions built therein by India.

Question is that is India ready to take that high risk to pacify a false flagged ego?

China can't because the most effective country would be bangaldesh.

Not sure what makes Pakistanis to think that because of Pakistan, China will take bolder steps to dry out Bangladesh.

Anyway, China cannot completely stop the Brahmaputra because it is a huge river, and a significant portion of its water comes from rainfall and tributaries after it enters India. So Indian states are not going to dry. water flow can temper it, but most impacts will go to Bangladesh.

 

[peacemaker99]

Go to the IWT thread and read the Watercourses Convention extracts posted there. Nobody claimed this Convention dictated terms on water sharing. It is in place to stop an upper riparian nation taking punitive measures against a lower riparian nation in times of conflict.

The IWT was designed to facilitate formal adherence to the these basic principles, since we believed that Baniya qoms can't be trusted otherwise.

We were wrong.

Some nations cannot be trusted even after they sign a legally binding document with the other party.

We give money to world bank. What makes you think were bound by it? Tomorrow if i buy Nike shoes will i be bound to nike brokered treaty?

 

[Jaeger]

River Water is still flowing (with a few local issues) under IWT. India is blabbering more on social media than the actual ground situation. If, however, India diverts our water two things will most certainly happen. China will plug Brahmaputra up north and we will MOST CERTAINLY blow up into oblivion any costly new dam or diversions built therein by India.

Question is that is India ready to take that high risk to pacify a false flagged ego?

Firstly India expects China to manipulate the Bramhaputra flow with or without Pakistani requests.

China will do what is best for China, India has to look out for itself. That is why india is building a massive counter dam on Bhramaputra, to regulate the flow water in India atleast. There after what Bangladesh does is their own headache.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/...ndia-china-edge-towards-a-himalayan-water-war

Secondly, India has moved up from building dams on Indus rivers is now building canals to interlink the western rivers, with Eastern rivers.

Eastern rivers are already further linked to canals which go all the way to Rajasthan and beyond.

How does one bomb cannal that is something you will have to figure out. Conventional logic suggests, bombing a canal only makes it deeper.

Thirdly let's for argument sake you do bomb some dams in India, you will get twice as much flooding in Pakistan, initially from Indian dams bursting open and Secondly when India bombs Pakistani dams in response.

Fourthly during world War 2. British spent years developing bouncing bombs to breach German dams in Ruhr industrial region.

In 1943 British conducted a night time raid on 3 German dams..causing massive damage to the dams and killing 1600 civilians who lived downstream of the rivers.

Blowing up of the dams also cut the electricity to the whole industrial Ruhr region. However Germans were able to restore electricity to the region with in 3 days of the bombing and were able to completely repair all the dams put them in normal use within 4 months of the bombing.

So yes we are ready to risk it!

 

[Par 5]

Firstly India expects China to manipulate the Bramhaputra flow with or without Pakistani requests.

China will do what is best for China, India has to look out for itself. That is why india is building a massive counter dam on Bhramaputra, to regulate the flow water in India atleast. There after what Bangladesh does is their own headache.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/...ndia-china-edge-towards-a-himalayan-water-war

Secondly, India has moved up from building dams on Indus rivers is now building canals to interlink the western rivers, with Eastern rivers.

Eastern rivers are already further linked to canals which go all the way to Rajasthan and beyond.

How does one bomb cannal that is something you will have to figure out. Conventional logic suggests, bombing a canal only makes it deeper.

Thirdly let's for argument sake you do bomb some dams in India, you will get twice as much flooding in Pakistan, initially from Indian dams bursting open and Secondly when India bombs Pakistani dams in response.

Fourthly during world War 2. British spent years developing bouncing bombs to breach German dams in Ruhr industrial region.

In 1943 British conducted a night time raid on 3 German dams..causing massive damage to the dams and killing 1600 civilians who lived downstream of the rivers.
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Blowing up of the dams also cut the electricity to the whole industrial Ruhr region. However Germans were able to restore electricity to the region with in 3 days of the bombing and were able to completely repair all the dams put them in normal use within 4 months of the bombing.

So yes we are ready to risk it!

Good to know.

Without divulging our plans; we will see you on the other side as, when and if this happens.