Pakistan is getting dry

Im not trying to be a d**k buddy but someone did a real number on you. I think they convinced you that pak is some massive superpower that can do this or that. Neither will pak do anything you have written nor do you have the capability.

And as for china...maybe you should ask your FO if they are saying India can become a permanent member of UNSC with a delayed veto of 15 years. I think only one betrayal is greater than that.
Actually we can hit you now with a precise accuracy you can't imagine.
On Chinese front, China threatened India just few days ago about building dams.
But in Pakistan it's a very genuine concern. And be ready for a Kaboom soon.
 
Not sure where you are going. Destroying Karachi? Obviously if city is infested with ethnic violence and terrorism then importance of Islamabad/Pindi/Lahore would increase for investors who want peaceful environment for their families and business. But you know what would benefit Punjab more? peaceful Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta. Destroyed Karachi/Gwadar only help UAE etc Not punjab. Punjab doesn't have port. Punjab will benefit from peaceful Gwadar/Karachi.

I know where you are going, the usual troop of punjabis being responsible for all the problems in Pakistan.


I work with international organizations, and honestly, everyone outside Pakistan already knows the truth. What surprises me is how naive many Pakistanis still are about what really happened to Karachi.

The city didn’t collapse on its own. It was pushed into chaos, repeatedly, strategically, and deliberately.

The Establishment didn’t just “manage” Karachi; it constructed the entire political ecosystem that later tore the city apart. They created MQM as a counterweight to Sindhi nationalist movements, then spent years inflating MQM’s power until it became too organized, too large, and too independent. And the moment MQM became a political force that could not be fully controlled, the Establishment split it, fragmented it, and pitted its factions against each other.

This wasn’t mismanagement. It was political engineering.

Karachi was kept in a state of permanent instability, a city where no single actor was strong enough to govern, and every actor was dependent on the invisible hand that controlled the levers.

In that chaos, Karachi paid the price:

• Target killings
• Extortion
• Paralysis of local government
• Criminalized politics
• Infrastructure collapse
• Thousands of lives lost

People remember the phrase “boti‑band lash” because it became a symbol of how deeply violence was normalized. Karachi became a city where fear was a political tool.

And when MQM’s factions became too unpredictable, the Establishment simply reset the board again.

They brought Mustafa Kamal and Anis Qaimkhani back from Dubai, everyone remembers the dramatic “rona‑dhona” press conferences and manufactured PSP out of thin air. Funding, logistics, media coverage, political space… everything was arranged. PSP wasn’t a grassroots movement; it was a project.

Then came the attempted PSP–MQM merger, another engineered experiment that collapsed because the actors didn’t trust each other and the public didn’t buy the script.

After decades of this political experimentation, what did Karachi receive?

Nothing.
No stability.
No governance.
No reforms.
No relief.

Just a broken system, shattered institutions, and a population forced to survive between political militias, extortion networks, corrupt administrators, and engineered ethnic tensions.

Karachi wasn’t neglected.
Karachi was kept unstable on purpose.

A chaotic Karachi is easier to control.
A divided Karachi cannot demand autonomy.
A fearful Karachi cannot challenge the status quo.

And that is the tragedy, a city that generates Pakistan’s revenue was never allowed to become Pakistan’s power center.

If the Establishment truly wanted to fix Karachi, they had every opportunity to do it in the 1980s. The city was young, economically vibrant, and politically manageable. But they didn’t. And the reason wasn’t incompetence — it was intent.

Karachi was never allowed to become stable because a stable Karachi would become powerful, autonomous, and politically influential. Instead, the national project was to prop up Lahore as the symbol of Pakistan’s stability, culture, and progress.

Over the decades, you can see the pattern:

• Every major sports headquarters was shifted to Lahore.
• Every national sports federation centralized its operations there.
• Lahore was marketed as the “model city,” the “stable city,” even the “Paris of Pakistan.”
• Massive budgets were poured into Lahore’s beautification, infrastructure, and branding.

Meanwhile, Karachi, the country’s economic engine was left in engineered chaos. Political fragmentation, turf wars, and administrative paralysis ensured the city could never challenge Lahore’s dominance or demand proportional representation.

The contrast wasn’t accidental. It was policy.

Lahore was polished.
Karachi was destabilized.
One city was elevated.
The other was contained.

And today, the consequences are visible: Lahore stands as the curated showcase of Pakistan, while Karachi still struggles with the instability that was deliberately allowed, even encouraged to grow.
 
I work with international organizations, and honestly, everyone outside Pakistan already knows the truth. What surprises me is how naive many Pakistanis still are about what really happened to Karachi.

The city didn’t collapse on its own. It was pushed into chaos, repeatedly, strategically, and deliberately.

The Establishment didn’t just “manage” Karachi; it constructed the entire political ecosystem that later tore the city apart. They created MQM as a counterweight to Sindhi nationalist movements, then spent years inflating MQM’s power until it became too organized, too large, and too independent. And the moment MQM became a political force that could not be fully controlled, the Establishment split it, fragmented it, and pitted its factions against each other.

This wasn’t mismanagement. It was political engineering.

Karachi was kept in a state of permanent instability, a city where no single actor was strong enough to govern, and every actor was dependent on the invisible hand that controlled the levers.

In that chaos, Karachi paid the price:

• Target killings
• Extortion
• Paralysis of local government
• Criminalized politics
• Infrastructure collapse
• Thousands of lives lost

People remember the phrase “boti‑band lash” because it became a symbol of how deeply violence was normalized. Karachi became a city where fear was a political tool.

And when MQM’s factions became too unpredictable, the Establishment simply reset the board again.

They brought Mustafa Kamal and Anis Qaimkhani back from Dubai, everyone remembers the dramatic “rona‑dhona” press conferences and manufactured PSP out of thin air. Funding, logistics, media coverage, political space… everything was arranged. PSP wasn’t a grassroots movement; it was a project.

Then came the attempted PSP–MQM merger, another engineered experiment that collapsed because the actors didn’t trust each other and the public didn’t buy the script.

After decades of this political experimentation, what did Karachi receive?

Nothing.
No stability.
No governance.
No reforms.
No relief.

Just a broken system, shattered institutions, and a population forced to survive between political militias, extortion networks, corrupt administrators, and engineered ethnic tensions.

Karachi wasn’t neglected.
Karachi was kept unstable on purpose.

A chaotic Karachi is easier to control.
A divided Karachi cannot demand autonomy.
A fearful Karachi cannot challenge the status quo.

And that is the tragedy, a city that generates Pakistan’s revenue was never allowed to become Pakistan’s power center.

If the Establishment truly wanted to fix Karachi, they had every opportunity to do it in the 1980s. The city was young, economically vibrant, and politically manageable. But they didn’t. And the reason wasn’t incompetence — it was intent.

Karachi was never allowed to become stable because a stable Karachi would become powerful, autonomous, and politically influential. Instead, the national project was to prop up Lahore as the symbol of Pakistan’s stability, culture, and progress.

Over the decades, you can see the pattern:

• Every major sports headquarters was shifted to Lahore.
• Every national sports federation centralized its operations there.
• Lahore was marketed as the “model city,” the “stable city,” even the “Paris of Pakistan.”
• Massive budgets were poured into Lahore’s beautification, infrastructure, and branding.

Meanwhile, Karachi, the country’s economic engine was left in engineered chaos. Political fragmentation, turf wars, and administrative paralysis ensured the city could never challenge Lahore’s dominance or demand proportional representation.

The contrast wasn’t accidental. It was policy.

Lahore was polished.
Karachi was destabilized.
One city was elevated.
The other was contained.

And today, the consequences are visible: Lahore stands as the curated showcase of Pakistan, while Karachi still struggles with the instability that was deliberately allowed, even encouraged to grow.

Post Zia take over, there was wave of PPP backed Sindhi terrorism. Muhajir were already pissed of because of Bhutto quota system.

Sindhi terrorism died down but MQM continued with bloodshed till 2010's.

In any case like I said Punjab would benefit more from prosperous Karachi, Quetta, Peshawar. Thats why establishment eventually took care of MQM militant wing as well. Now there is peace in Karachi and things are manageable.
 
Post Zia take over, there was wave of PPP backed Sindhi terrorism. Muhajir were already pissed of because of Bhutto quota system.

Sindhi terrorism died down but MQM continued with bloodshed till 2010's.

In any case like I said Punjab would benefit more from prosperous Karachi, Quetta, Peshawar. Thats why establishment eventually took care of MQM militant wing as well. Now there is peace in Karachi and things are manageable.

Bro, you are living in Fantasy world, reality is clear difference. Establishment survival depends on Pakistan in Chaos....KPK, Baluchistan and Sindh in Chaos. Pakistan is surviving on IMF, Arab & China loans and remittance.



Listen about what he is saying about Pakistan.
 
So you mean youll talk a lot. Like slways.

In any case till op sindoor pak also kept saying IWC has to be scrapped because it is unfair to pak. Only when india suspended it did you start lashing out due to spite and say its say its awesome.

Both india and pak have said its unfair for majority of our history so best to scrap. We will give you a new deal that will definitely address your concern.

Win. Win.
Is this you lot being tough? Bloody hell mate. What next, are you going to try and hold my hand or something?
 
Is this you lot being tough? Bloody hell mate. What next, are you going to try and hold my hand or something?

Why should we talk tough? See it is clear pakistan is unclear about what it wants. Till last year you kept saying IWT was bad and suddenly its all grest. Clearly you havent thought this through. But our policy groups have done detailed research so we can support it bettrr.

AND no more world bank nonsense this time, we follow the time honored practice of using local financial institution. The only local financial institution capable is the SBI. it has the money, has also provided several CFO to world bank. So let SBI set up the new treaty and it has the capability to finance and enforce it on all players.

And guess what pak gets? Strong enforcement and funding ftom SBI. if your politicians drag their feet on dams they get penalized. If money is short SBI will fund.

This should have been done right at the start instead of going to world bank on prestige and status issues. This treaty has been mismanaged from the start.
 
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@El Sidd you were asking me what's my problem. That's my problem. Look at this video. You know what crime Palestinians are paying for today? They didn't decide for violence when it was time to be violent. I am simply not ready for it.

Enjoy.

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Now we are facing two fold problems.
Floods deu to speedy melting of Himalian snow.
Low of no water in non flooding times.
And the solution is, we must take our rivers back so that we can control the flow of water.
We must build the dams so that water may be used all year round.

We are lagging behind these steps by years actually. And I am not sure whether it's a priority or not.
 
Floods deu to speedy melting of Himalian snow.
From the source of which river(s) that originates in Pakistani lands?

You need to be specific if you are going to link glacial melting (not necessarily associated with the course of a river) or river overflow with future flood risks. Dams can work on rivers but are near irrelevant aside from that. That said, I think glaciers can be dammed purely to prevent their movement but this is unrelated to hydropower dams.
 
Nobody needs to fight if both countries have good amount of dams , there is enough water for both .
Pakistan just needs more dams .
 
From the source of which river(s) that originates in Pakistani lands?

You need to be specific if you are going to link glacial melting (not necessarily associated with the course of a river) or river overflow with future flood risks. Dams can work on rivers but are near irrelevant aside from that. That said, I think glaciers can be dammed purely to prevent their movement but this is unrelated to hydropower dams.
Actually all the snow that melts on most part of Himalias can cause water flow in the rivers of Pakistan. Yes, China and India are between that flow and Pakistan, but chances are very high.
Current catastrophic events in Nepal are a big signals for us. We can simply wait for our turn. Specially if the water flow is in the hands of enemy.
 
Actually all the snow that melts on most part of Himalias can cause water flow in the rivers of Pakistan. Yes, China and India are between that flow and Pakistan, but chances are very high.
Current catastrophic events in Nepal are a big signals for us. We can simply wait for our turn. Specially if the water flow is in the hands of enemy.
Such catastrophic events cant be managed by human , flow of water can't be decided in such catastrophic events, if it would have been possible china would have been able to control the flow of such catastrophic event and save thousands of life
 
Such catastrophic events cant be managed by human , flow of water can't be decided in such catastrophic events, if it would have been possible china would have been able to control the flow of such catastrophic event and save thousands of life
I agree with that. But what about this?
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That's not agreeable at all.
 
War, nuclear weapons are not going to do anything.... India has shown it doesn't care anymore about nuclear bluff.... best solution for Pakistan is to come on the table and talk to us and accept current loc as permanent international boundry with assurance of no backstabbing in future.... I think India should approve this, keep dams ready but should make no deduction in water flows.... dams should be just to ensure that in future if any policy changes in Pakistan military with regard to kashmir and if they backstab then we should have punishment tool ready in the form of dams....
 
I agree with that. But what about this?
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That's not agreeable at all.
Give me a reason why should india follow iwt other than its good will ?
China India dont have any treaty, why should India have ?
As an upper riparian we should have get aleast get 50 percent share from the total amount of water but we got only 20 percent from the total amount, India many times tried to update the treaty but pakistan did not corporate, in the end there is no treaty now.
Don't worry we cant even store that much water , in the end it will be released, Pakistan just needs more dams that is all.
Lets just say in a one or 2 decade India is able to store 10 % water, still you will get 90 % in future.
 

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