mulj
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You are mixing antipathy with honest expressing truthful opinions, i did not say he lied about Hindus, so your accusation is baseless.
Pakistan is getting dry
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SoulSpokesman
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Cryptonian
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Wohhh.. Coincidentally this video was uploaded yesterday .
Cryptonian
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Finished watching the video. Looks like Pakistan is cooked. That too when India is yet to fully utilise it's share of 3 rivers and the running flow of other 3 rivers as per IWT.
Sprinkled with inter-state tussle between Sindh and Punjab. Situation is bonkers.
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mythbuster
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You can abrogate IWT if you want a ride on Pak Maha lingham .....
fitpOsitive
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Actually that's what this thread is about. India already have started taking more water and Pakistan got to do something about it.
5thgenEnjoyer
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Btw The changes on the ground have yet to be seen via google earth and other satellite imagery, however I am not denying your point. @fitpOsitive
The increase in global temperatures has led the melting of the Glaciers that feed the Pakistani river network to rapidly increase- leading to events such as the severe flooding in Balochistan and Sindh in 2022.
A significant portion of the country is already having trouble obtaining the amount of water that is required- groundwater pumping in the South of Pakistan is becoming more difficult.
Yet water usage is on track to DOUBLE by 2050, at which point it will become officially UNSUSTAINABLE. Pakistan will face mass thirst if the following measures are not urgently focused on:
-Adequate hydroelectric damming at multiple points on the river network, both to prevent the significant floods that will become more commonplace in the near future, and to provide energy for the large number of desalination plants that will be necessary in the South
-the Indus water treaty needs to be renewed and India must be held accountable for its dam construction that has already decreased the water flow into Pakistan, very significantly
-Serious investment needs to occur in Desalination plants in the South, to keep Balochistan and Sindh watered when their supply is inevitably damaged via flooding or drought.
- Military preparations need to be made to secure the flow of water that the Indians are slowly constricting- this is not a matter of question, but of necessity seeing that the Indians are becoming more and more unwilling to provide Pakistan with diplomatic means to pursue this end.
The increase in global temperatures has led the melting of the Glaciers that feed the Pakistani river network to rapidly increase- leading to events such as the severe flooding in Balochistan and Sindh in 2022.
A significant portion of the country is already having trouble obtaining the amount of water that is required- groundwater pumping in the South of Pakistan is becoming more difficult.
Yet water usage is on track to DOUBLE by 2050, at which point it will become officially UNSUSTAINABLE. Pakistan will face mass thirst if the following measures are not urgently focused on:
-Adequate hydroelectric damming at multiple points on the river network, both to prevent the significant floods that will become more commonplace in the near future, and to provide energy for the large number of desalination plants that will be necessary in the South
-the Indus water treaty needs to be renewed and India must be held accountable for its dam construction that has already decreased the water flow into Pakistan, very significantly
-Serious investment needs to occur in Desalination plants in the South, to keep Balochistan and Sindh watered when their supply is inevitably damaged via flooding or drought.
- Military preparations need to be made to secure the flow of water that the Indians are slowly constricting- this is not a matter of question, but of necessity seeing that the Indians are becoming more and more unwilling to provide Pakistan with diplomatic means to pursue this end.
5thgenEnjoyer
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Wrong.
Building more dams alone will not solve Pakistan’s water crisis because the root issue is declining water SUPPLY, not just storage. 50-60% of Pakistan’s water comes from Himalayan glaciers, which are melting rapidly, with up to 35% of their volume projected to be lost by 2050, reducing river flow— No Dam can store water that DOES NOT EXIST
Additionally, 75% of Pakistan’s water originates from rivers controlled by India, meaning upstream diversions could shrink supply regardless of new dams.
Groundwater depletion is also critical, the figures show that over 80% of Punjab’s reserves are overexploited, and even if all wasted water was stored, Pakistan’s total renewable water supply (180 Billion cubic metres) would still fall short of its annual demand (191 BCM), leaving an 11 BCM deficit.
While some water does flow into the Arabian Sea, this prevents seawater intrusion, protecting 2 million acres of farmland in Sindh from turning barren.
Serious diplomatic movements are necessary, and the military might and posturing to back them up is necessary.
SoulSpokesman
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@fitpOsitive @lightoftruth @mythbuster @AlKardai
It might be helpful if participants on this thread actually check up on what the IWT is all about.
The three Eastern rivers- Satluj, Ravi and Beas- are meant for exclusive Indian use. They don't pass through Kashmir- Azad Indian Kashmir or Pak Occupied Kashmir- anyway.
The three Western rivers-Indus, Jhelum and Chenab- belong to Pakistan. India is allowed to use a minimal amount of the waters for local use and can build dams for generation of power, but not for storage and diversion.
To date, India has neither violated the treaty nor expressed any desire to do so.
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It might be helpful if participants on this thread actually check up on what the IWT is all about.
The three Eastern rivers- Satluj, Ravi and Beas- are meant for exclusive Indian use. They don't pass through Kashmir- Azad Indian Kashmir or Pak Occupied Kashmir- anyway.
The three Western rivers-Indus, Jhelum and Chenab- belong to Pakistan. India is allowed to use a minimal amount of the waters for local use and can build dams for generation of power, but not for storage and diversion.
To date, India has neither violated the treaty nor expressed any desire to do so.
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fitpOsitive
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Totally agreed. But I am afraid we ultimately need to do what is absolutely necessary. It will be a bad choice but do we have any other choice?
fitpOsitive
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Indian shouldn't be able to stop waters whatsoever. I am saying the iwt was just. It was a total mess by negotiators on Pakistani side.
Vikramaditya1
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You got the best deal one could hope for (80-20 share). If it wasn't for the treaty Modi would've dam'ed the entire rivers flowing to Pakistan out of spite.
Even with the treaty he's making sure not a drop of water outside what's already promised in IWT is flowing to Pakistan.
SoulSpokesman
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@fitpOsitive
Indian shouldn't be able to stop waters whatsoever.
Why not?
It was a total mess by negotiators on Pakistani side.
Not really. IWT was signed in 1960 or thereabouts. No one could have foreseen the green revolution, the unabated population rise, urbanisation or climate change. The leaders of that time acted as per what could have been foreseen at that time.
The Indian part of the IVC basin had 20% of the population of the IVC and they got 20% of the water.
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Indian shouldn't be able to stop waters whatsoever.
Why not?
It was a total mess by negotiators on Pakistani side.
Not really. IWT was signed in 1960 or thereabouts. No one could have foreseen the green revolution, the unabated population rise, urbanisation or climate change. The leaders of that time acted as per what could have been foreseen at that time.
The Indian part of the IVC basin had 20% of the population of the IVC and they got 20% of the water.
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agidest
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It was brilliant from the Pakistani side. And that was done at a time when India was generous to Pakistan. In what world does an upstream country give 80% river water to a downstream country. Even accounting for population, it is absurd. India has 6 times Pakistan's population.
At best it should have been a 50:50 split. Yet the Indians despite being upstream and having a much larger population gave away 80%.
It's the Indian negotiators who were losers. But that will never happen again. You can count on that.
harpy1
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The water supply to.pakistan comes from Himlayers glaciers which are mostly in India.
But these glaciers are melting due to global warming
India has controlled water supply via building massive dams
Yet Pakistanis have too much water loss thru no development of dams due to high cost
You have not invested the money
You simply blame India give us more water
www.fairplanet.org
As for bafoons saying we need to prepare military intervention what you going to achieve take Himlayers it's 2000km border stretching from Pak to Bangladesh borders
You could not get five inchs
But these glaciers are melting due to global warming
India has controlled water supply via building massive dams
Yet Pakistanis have too much water loss thru no development of dams due to high cost
You have not invested the money
You simply blame India give us more water
Melting glaciers will flood India and disrupt its water supply | FairPlanet
The Himalayas' melting glaciers threaten water for 2 billion people downstream, requiring urgent global action on emissions.
www.fairplanet.org
As for bafoons saying we need to prepare military intervention what you going to achieve take Himlayers it's 2000km border stretching from Pak to Bangladesh borders
You could not get five inchs
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