Pakistan, Kuwait discuss expanded defence pact: report

[peagle]

Kuwait is probably the only country that would require some sort of signficiant Infantry presence if we are to secure it properly

Air defence and artillery/armour more then infantry I think. Purely Infantry is just having our boys as sitting ducks

 

[Yasser76]

Air defence and artillery/armour more then infantry I think. Purely Infantry is just having our boys as sitting ducks

Yes, assumed all that, my point was in Saudi/Qatar Infantry element is not as important as it would be in Kuwait, going by the Geography of the place

 

[peagle]

Question for all,

Does Pakistan have the "spare" military capability to both defend against India, and have enough for foreign overseas expeditionary forces for all the “alliances” it is signing up with ???

The whole of the Pakistani Armed forces is currently geared towards the bare minimum they need against India, i.e. a few weeks of war with the hope that political intervention or India's war time supplies run out before Pakistan's does.

Also, who will fund the creation of overseas expeditionary forces? Pakistani tax payers, or are we actually going to see line-item budgetary support from these countries? It does feel like Pakistani taxpayers(what few there are) are the ones running the financial risk ?

How much spare military capacity does Pakistan have, and is Pakistan thinning out the defense of Pakistan in the search for money, and the retirement plans of "generals" looking for cushy retirement roles in the middle east?

I think when Pakistan counter attacked Afghanistan, it was telling india come and get it if you think you're hard enough. Seems like the capabilities they have developed, they feel comfortable enough.

It was also psychological signaling to india, that you might be big in your own house, but not in my house.

Regarding the added responsibilities, we need to remember these are not overnight things, these things take time to operationalise, and it's to mutual benefits. Let's see how we negotiate. Historically we have been too soft in negotiations, it's time we change our approach. Pressure from public will help.

 

[ghazi52]

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It is important to note that this is a defense cooperation agreement, not a strategic or mutual defense treaty. The nature and scope of the agreement are clearly defined in the decree issued by the Kuwaiti Cabinet.

Areas of Defense Cooperation (Article 2)

Under the agreement, Pakistan and Kuwait will cooperate in the following fields:

- Military training and professional education.
- Cooperation between the armed forces.
- Logistics and military support.
- Exchange of military personnel and defense experts.
- Scientific and technological collaboration.
- Military intelligence.
- Information technology and communications.
- Defense industries and military research.
- Military media and public relations.
- Exchange of sports, cultural, and social activities.
- Any other areas agreed upon by both countries.

Implementation

- Both sides will prepare annual plans for joint activities.
- Cooperation will be carried out through official visits, training programs, meetings, and personnel exchanges.
- Each country will designate its Ministry of Defense as the authority responsible for implementing the agreement.

Joint Military Committee

A Joint Military Committee will be established to:

- Coordinate and oversee defense cooperation.
- Hold regular meetings at least once a year, or whenever necessary.
- Review progress and recommend future areas of cooperation.

Protection of Information

Both countries have agreed to:

- Safeguard classified military information and documents.
- Refrain from sharing exchanged information with any third party without prior written consent from the other side.
- Continue protecting confidential information even after the agreement expires.

Intellectual Property

Any intellectual property developed under this agreement will be managed in accordance with the laws and regulations of both countries.

Costs

Unless otherwise agreed for specific activities, each side will bear the expenses of its own personnel and participation.

Dispute Resolution

- Any disagreements will be resolved through consultation and negotiations.
- Disputes may not be referred to international courts or third-party arbitration.

Amendment and Termination

- The agreement may be amended only through mutual written consent.
- Either country may terminate the agreement by providing 70 days' written notice through diplomatic channels.
- Termination will not affect ongoing projects unless both parties mutually decide otherwise.

Significance

This agreement establishes a formal legal framework for defense cooperation between Pakistan and Kuwait in areas such as military training, personnel exchanges, technology, logistics, intelligence, communications, and defense industries. However, it does not require either country to defend the other in the event of war or an armed attack.

 

[KingQamaR]

Question for all,

Does Pakistan have the "spare" military capability to both defend against India, and have enough for foreign overseas expeditionary forces for all the “alliances” it is signing up with ???

The whole of the Pakistani Armed forces is currently geared towards the bare minimum they need against India, i.e. a few weeks of war with the hope that political intervention or India's war time supplies run out before Pakistan's does.

Also, who will fund the creation of overseas expeditionary forces? Pakistani tax payers, or are we actually going to see line-item budgetary support from these countries? It does feel like Pakistani taxpayers(what few there are) are the ones running the financial risk ?

How much spare military capacity does Pakistan have, and is Pakistan thinning out the defense of Pakistan in the search for money, and the retirement plans of "generals" looking for cushy retirement roles in the middle east?

I really Carnot be bothered to get into a roll coaster conversation with some of my fellow posters on here …. not you.

It’s Egypt that’s the key not us.


The Saudis and Egyptians are in the same boat when it comes to the bottle neck of the Red Sea. The Saudis can bank roll an Egyptian expeditionary force , cover them with Saudi Air Force and, or strike a deal with PAF air power in order to finish off or degrade the Houthis ? Not sure Islamabad would want to upset Tehran. . The Suez Canal is a major economic resource for Egypt, no ships pass through the Red Sea means no money for Egyptian canal service. Egypt has a sizeable land forces and navy with huge beach landing capability to hit Houthis rear.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Timing, Bon Ami, timing.......

Looks like the Pak Deep State wants to play on the front foot, and that too coming out of the crease and placing the balls all over the ground.....

Now that the West is on full retreat, and the proverbial "one-geopoltical-reset-in-100-years" is taking place, the time is right to strike, albeit cautiously....

Doing something is always better than doing nothing.....

Fortune favors the brave....

God speed....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Tranquility and security in the Muslim Heartlands, which is replete with rhe traitors and Munafikin larking at every street corner, requires an extremely powerful state taking care of its matters vis-a-vis external forces with an extremely powerful military. And, its mindset is simple: detach the head from the neck first, and think later.....

Last time it was the Ottomans. Who's this time?

 

[Starlord]

Pakistan and Kuwait are discussing more than defence:
1. Bonded fuel storage: $2 billion
2. Long-term diesel supplies: $3 billion
3. Strategic oil reserves: $2 billion
4. Energy-for-security arrangements: $1 billion

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"4. Energy-for-security arrangements: $1 billion"

This could be the annual fee of deploying soldiers in Kuwait.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Jinnah wanted to Pakistan to pivot for defense and diplomacy in the Middle East back in 1946 during a press conference in Cairo.....

Why Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Jordan and Türkiye Need Pakistan​

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[Feroze]

Good to have strong relations with the GCC countries.

 

[Watandar]

Ok @RescueRanger boss, you asked for it. Brew yourself a nice cuppa and read on, if you have the time:



Let us start with that history.

The question here is WHY did the Kuwaitis feel threatened enough by Pakistanis in Kuwait to limit their numbers? Hint: The same reason UAE kicked out a lot pf Pakistanis recently. What is the commonality in both policies?

Hold that thought please. There is more to come on that below.




There is only one and only yours truly. Naqqaloon sey hushiyar rahain!




It is already here Sir, for those who know. And Pakistan must position itself strongly for what is about to happen. I will present that argument below. Read on!



The actual cake is huge energy resources, the key ingredient that Pakistan needs to develop. It has been starved of energy for far too long. This cake is worth fighting for,. and get our own slice out of it.




What is on offer here is a post theocracy Iran and the new Middle East. The costs are huge, no doubt: just look at the rate of US burn alone, not to mention the indirect costs imposed on all others.

Everybody is waiting for the rich spoils of war, which will be available soon after the present terrorist regime in Iran is dispatched to where it belongs, China, India, Europe and Russia included.

That is the geopolitical reality.

Iran has caused much mayhem and misery for the entire region for half a century, and now the time has come for it to die. It has made the fatal mistake of mixing religion with geopolitics, and no nation ever survives that deadly concoction for long.

Now let us come to the benefits. Think of what Pakistan might look like with affordable and plentiful energy: gas for homes and factories, fuel for transportation and leisure, reliable and affordable electricity. Now think of all that would follow if that were to become available.

Now, do I have your attention?



The shitstorm s already here, and it is a big one indeed. There is no avoiding it.

Pakistan can either try to hunker down and be blown around by the wind and pelted with hailstones and hope to come out alive at the other end, whenever that might be.

Or it can run straight into the eye of the storm and find the pocket of calm that exists in the eye of such monster storms.

And yes, with our eyes open, no sleepwalking allowed.



Now let us bring in another piece of the puzzle for Pakistan.

Let me start bluntly: Iran is a far more evil and dangerous enemy of Pakistan than India can ever hope to be, for it relies on deceiving us as sectarian brothers-in-religion while dreaming of sharing a border with India along the Indus river. (None of our traditional motivations work against an enemy with a shared religion as they do with the Hindu enemy, and that is just a plain fact.)

Always remember Iran offered India direct access to Afghanistan via Chahbahar to cause mayhem in Pakistan, including facilitating Kulbhushan and even firing missiles into Pakistani territory.

To deal with this insurgency, we must get to the head of the snake to our West and cut it off. This is the same realization that has united all of the GCC states and Israel and USA against Iran. For far too long it has played proxy wars against all of us, and then some, to follow its own dreams of glory.




Think bigger Sir, bigger!

This is not the time to play the waiter at the table and refill water glasses while the feast is served.

This is the time to find a seat at the table itself and carve out a big piece of the energy pie for ourselves as rightfully as a nuclear power deserves.

Or is that too cryptic as only the One and Original VCheng can say?

Read on!




Bingo! Big Boy Chess. Pakistan may not be a bishop or castle in this game, but it certainly can be the knight.

Pakistan needs to shore up Kuwait's defenses, and position itself to control as much of southern Iran post war as it can with labor for reconstruction, and guaranteed access to all the oil and gas it needs for the next 100 years and more.

And it is in the right position to follow the Chess Masters to participate on the sidelines and gets its share of the spoils that are soon going to be served.

(There is a reason Pakistan has cozied up to Trump lately.)



Forget cheapest oil. Think ownership of our portion of that oil.




So now let us bring it all together:

Pakistan can end the insurgency in Baluchistan and control the wild Afghan in one stroke by helping to kill off the Iranian terror regime and its machinery.

The best part is that it does not need to do any of this alone. There is enough support and resources already solving the problem, as we can observe. Join the party!

Rest assured that India will not attack Pakistan while it diverts its attention to the West. Good Old Uncle Sam will make sure of it.




All of that will happen regardless of what Pakistan does. It can either muddle through it all once again as it has always done, or for once, take the bold leap needed to create the energy foundation it needs to solve ALL of those issues.

The time is exactly right for this leap to take place, and it will take place soon with or without Pakistan. Better for Pakistan to be with the group, sitting at the table, than being the mere waiter, again.




Take care of the West, and get our share of the energy, and the enemy to the East will suddenly find it easier to make peace. Guaranteed.



Agreed. I am an old man at peace with myself. I say all of this knowing that my words may hurt and they may provoke, but they are said with the best intentions for the land of my birth and the people of my ancestry.




There is a feeding frenzy about to begin. Sit it out and wait for scraps again, or dive in and get our fair juicy share.

Our choice at this crossroads. Let us choose wisely.



Life is never all sunshine and rainbows. Watch out for the IRGC latrinebois here on PDF, as well as their real life equivalents in the form of tens of thousands of indoctrinated zaireen spread throughout Pakistan by Iran, and get ready to keep them under control.

It will not be easy, but totally worth it.

Over and out.

It is America that is the biggest aggressor, supporter of dictatorship and sponsor of terrorism in the Mideast. And if this Amreeka Bahadur could not take down Iran and protect its GCC satraps to Pakistan kya kar lega ?

But you are just engaged in your usual contrarian trolling. Next month you will take the opposite position. Laggay raho Munna bhai.