Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[MS Sandhu]

Not a flexible conventional BM program.

Pandora Box of conv. use BMs has now been opened after India threatened Pakistan to strike with Ballistic & Cruise Missiles in 2019 Stand-off after we captured Indian Pilot.
Indians have fielded very advanced Tactical Ballistic Missiles developed purely for conv. strike and Pakistan is also working in this direction _ rapid response , maneuverable & flat trajectory Tactical Ballistic Missiles in salvo modes.

Though India has taken the lead (with 500-1000km ranged Pralay Missile) but we are catching up.

 

[muhammed45]

Pandora Box of conv. use BMs has now been opened after India threatened Pakistan to strike with Ballistic & Cruise Missiles in 2019 Stand-off after we captured Indian Pilot.
Indians have fielded very advanced Tactical Ballistic Missiles developed purely for conv. strike and Pakistan is also working in this direction _ rapid response , maneuverable & flat trajectory Tactical Ballistic Missiles in salvo modes.

Though India has taken the lead (with 500-1000km ranged Pralay Missile) but we are catching up.
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Why not cooperate with IRGC? They can share their airdedense bashing assets with Pakistan. Drone swarm is best solution to take out Indian defense systems. It is a must to bypass S-400. And IRGC has already given Russia a production line of its airdefense denying drones.

A God given gift to Pakistan is that Delhi is not too far away. Which causes India lose its strategic depth advantage. Drone swarm will surely defuse their batteries.

Taking Kashmir back is not that hard.

 

[313Ghazi]

Babur is not some cheap suicide drone, it is a reverse engineered Tomahawk. A missile the Americans refused to export to even Israel.

Ok so Babur is expensive, but we have seen in this conflict, in Russia-Ukraine and in Armenia-Azerbaijan the extensive use of missiles and drones. It's my opinion that we should consider these cheaper options, as well as long range rockets and artillery to try and overwhelm enemy air defences when we want to strike, so that we give our airforce an edge.

The US has always softened up enemy air defences before sending in their airforce to take out targets. We don't have a 2000 aircraft airforce to do that with, i'm saying we try the same thing on the cheap.

 

[onlinpunit]

Why not cooperate with IRGC? They can share their airdedense bashing assets with Pakistan. Drone swarm is best solution to take out Indian defense systems. It is a must to bypass S-400. And IRGC has already given Russia a production line of its airdefense denying drones.

A God given gift to Pakistan is that Delhi is not too far away. Which causes India lose its strategic depth advantage. Drone swarm will surely defuse their batteries.

Taking Kashmir back is not that hard.

So u are assuming that when Pakistan will be raiding New Delhi with BM/CM/Drones india will be having peace pipe ? How far is islamabad / Rawalpindi/ lahore from Indian Borders ?

 

[falcon34]

@Deterrent post from the old pdf.
Regarding rentry vehicle of S3

 

[Mrc]

S3 re entry at mac 18 with recurrent adjustment in trajectory air defence can never catch up, there is no chase at that speed, slight adjustment makes air defence kilometres off mark and nothing in atmosphere has speed to make up

 

[muhammed45]

So u are assuming that when Pakistan will be raiding New Delhi with BM/CM/Drones india will be having peace pipe ? How far is islamabad / Rawalpindi/ lahore from Indian Borders ?

You don't have to fight directly when you have boots on enemy's ground. Kashmiris by majority have suffered enough. They have every reason to fight back.

 

[onlinpunit]

You don't have to fight directly when you have boots on enemy's ground. Kashmiris by majority have suffered enough. They have every reason to fight back.

Dont mix up things. U were talking about droning delhi !!

 

[Taimoor]

S3 re entry at mac 18 with recurrent adjustment in trajectory air defence can never catch up, there is no chase at that speed, slight adjustment makes air defence kilometres off mark and nothing in atmosphere has speed to make up

There was a very interesting thread on old forum about ballistic missiles traveling at mach 18+ are next to impossible to detect due to limitations of radar not being able to pick projectiles travelling at that speed. Wonder if this still holds or technology have caught up with this?

Shaheen series Vs THAAD/Iron Dome/Arrow1,2,3/David Sling .. that will be interesting debate.

 

[muhammed45]

Dont mix up things. U were talking about droning delhi !!

I was talking about deterrence against India.

Operating without fear needs strong deterrence. Pakistan has to arm Kashmiris.

 

[m52k85]

Brother, I am not an informed or in the know category. What I do is give my take on or share information tidbits shared by the actual informed members. For most informed source would be people like oscar and now inactive the deterrent.

Coming to your question, the future direction of Pakistan missile can be extrapolated from what is being done with Fatah-2 onwards. In the words of GIDS CEO it has a glide vehicle. So it should be maneuverable beyond an MRV. Also it can be assumed that it will develop into an HGV.

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I would assume the Fatah flight profile would be somewhere in between MARV and proper HGV shown above.

Unlikely, the "apogee" is directly proportional to range, Fatah series ranges are not large enough to reach such heights. From the top of mind, Scud apogees from the 80s was around a 120ish kms, I would guess Fatahs would keep below 150km and have some terminal manoeuvring. I posted a graphic earlier in this thread that gives us an idea, if someone has the full book where that graphic comes from they can enlighten us more.

 

[onlinpunit]

I was talking about deterrence against India.

Operating without fear needs strong deterrence. Pakistan has to arm Kashmiris.

Just like some one is doing for Jaish ul-Adl and Jundallah. !!

 

[Bilal]

Unlikely, the "apogee" is directly proportional to range, Fatah series ranges are not large enough to reach such heights. From the top of mind, Scud apogees from the 80s was around a 120ish kms, I would guess Fatahs would keep below 150km and have some terminal manoeuvring. I posted a graphic earlier in this thread that gives us an idea, if someone has the full book where that graphic comes from they can enlighten us more.

I meant the maneuvering it’s capable of.

 

[muhammed45]

Just like some one is doing for Jaish ul-Adl and Jundallah. !!

JuA is a different story. This terrorist group takes civilians to hostage but Kashmir is an occupied land. Totally different

 

[onlinpunit]

JuA is a different story. This terrorist group takes civilians to hostage but Kashmir is an occupied land. Totally different

Ah !! Good terrorist and bad terrorists !! So when are you going to vacate Kurd and baloch land ?