Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[kimjongun]

Funny thing is, the guy he is referencing (Deterrent) said himself at the time that Pakistan doesn't have true MaRVs.

And to hype himself up this guy is overhyping the technological complexity of Pakistani missiles all the way till even Russian ones lol

The thing is @Deterrent had good info and suggestions regarding our Missile program and he had good arguments to counter illegoical claims .
And , He is true on MaRVs , the whole world is coming back to them , as ICBMs are super expensive and not for everyone and regular old IRBMs and MRBMs with typical trajectory irrespective are susceptible to interception in all of its phases (debatable) , so Marv and HGVs are coming to counter modern ABMs .

As for complexity , Our missiles internally are no different then russian or chinese ones as the ring laser gyros are russian or either chinese (wikileaks) , solid propellent tech is chinese etc etc

 

[falcon34]

Funny thing is, the guy he is referencing (Deterrent) said himself at the time that Pakistan doesn't have true MaRVs.

And to hype himself up this guy is overhyping the technological complexity of Pakistani missiles all the way till even Russian ones lol

I never said true MARV I specifically mentioned terminal correction system for speeds above Mach 10

 

[falcon34]

MaRV is a different process then PSAC .
MaRV is the maneuvering re entry vehicle , which can do high g turns to evade missile defense , while PSAC is the process of adjusting the missile bus to launch the re entry vehicles.
So MaRV are still needed.

For terminal phase he mentioned terminal correction system.
It doesn't perform hard on evasive manuevers but with High speed and a bit of correction in the terminal phase it more than enough to counter ABMs.

 

[falcon34]

My comment said that the range of a missile mainly IRBMs or MRBMs rely on its payload , Iran stretched the range of Its missiles with lighter warheads , while we use heavy weight warheads.

For 1000kg warhead, it's range still comes out to be 4000+, with steel casing not carbon fiber.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Mach 10

I highly doubt that S3 RV can attain mach 10 in terminal stage.
That's the Oreshnik level technology (5000+KM ranged IRBM - double the range to that of S3 so obviously can achieve much higher apogee and so very high terminal mach)
5 terminal mach is most logical and enough to get through.
Terminal stage footage of Iranian MRBMs also show 2-5 mach.

You can observe side by side terminal stage footage of both Russian IRBM and Iranian MRBM.

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[falcon34]

I highly doubt that S3 RV can attain mach 10 in terminal stage.
That's the Oreshnik level technology (5000+KM ranged IRBM - double the range to that of S3 so obviously can achieve much higher apogee and so very high terminal mach)
5 terminal mach is most logical and enough to get through.
Terminal stage footage of Iranian MRBMs also show 2-5 mach.

You can observe side by side terminal stage footage of both Russian IRBM and Iranian MRBM.

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S3 is not an MRBM, it renters the atmosphere at Mach 18 at very steep angle.

 

[MS Sandhu]

S3 is not an MRBM, it renters the atmosphere at Mach 18 at very steep angle.

I used to read the Iranian tidbits about their capabilities.
Wonder what kind of discussions they had before the war?

10000 MRBMs will be raining on Israeli Air Bases the second they launch any strike against mainland Iran
F35's will take off to strike Iran but when they will return home, there will be no base to land back.

When Israel actually launched the attack they have not fired even 1000 MRBMs yet let alone 10000s.

Iranians were really generous with zeroes just as you are with S3's Machs.

 

[Corax]

The volume of missiles fired by Iran have certainly decreased, and the key to this is the destruction of its launch capabilities, not only from static sites but also their mobile launchers. Even if the Iranians have plenty of missiles, their reduced ability to launch them is the critical element of the lower launch volumes. This is an important read across for Pakistan because as I've previously mentioned, the number of TELs will be the critical element to launch stockpiles of Fatah 1/2 as well as Babur/Fatah 4. A large number of deployed mobile launchers is important to achieve survivability in any protracted conflict.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan uses maraging steel 350, even with S3 with new RV of 500g can go above 5000+km. It is definitely an IRBM with full force capabilities for 4000km range, with heavy decoys and a Heavier PBV as observed in S3 tests, I did a simple calculation, with using Pakistan's existing propellent and casing capabilities and answers comes out to be above 5000km, even if a put it 1000kg for RV and PSAC, it still goes comfortable to 4000+km. I believe it's more of Andoman and Israel specific missile

India parks a few portion of her P8 fleet in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and for which Pakistan needs a 3500-4000km range to be successful targeting them.

 

[Starlord]

India parks a few portion of her P8 fleet in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and for which Pakistan needs a 3500-4000km range to be successful targeting them.

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Technically we can use Sub launch Babur CM, we just need to extend range of Babur III to around 1000-1200 KM. Subs will be much better for hitting that area with more successful hit.

 

[kimjongun]

India parks a few portion of her P8 fleet in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and for which Pakistan needs a 3500-4000km range to be successful targeting them.

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Most of its P8i fleet is in tamilnadu(eastern command) and goa (western command)

 

[gamaji]

I don't remember making any claims about the subject. You made a claim, and I asked you share any justification you may have.

Why does it matter how many solid fuel 'models' Iran has? Not that it's relevant to your claim, but I'm sure it has at least as many units of solid fuelled BMs as we do, or at least it used to until very recently. Iran's stockpile far outnumbers ours.

Again, I'm fairly sure they have produced more missiles capable of carrying warheads weighing one tonne or more. Same goes for solid-fulled multistage missiles and thurster-equipped RVs.

Also, your claim was about quality, not quantity.

Is it all your speculation or you have a solid info in support of your claims? How can you claim that Iran has/had more missiles than Pakistan's without knowing how many Pakistan has?
People have been claiming that Iran has ten thousand or more missiles. So far they have fired only a few hundreds. Also, how many military targets they have destroyed in Israel? Apparently they mostly caused some minor damages to houses/building wounding some people here and there. No strategic achievement so far.

 

[Areesh]

O bhai ? Kiya ho gaya ?

Strap a single mortar shell with shaheen 2 and it will reach Diego garcia or even much further.

Thats what iran is doing. Even on Israel they are firing very small warheads, which don't do a lot of damage , per shot .
The cluster munitions they been delivering on their missiles have about 4kg explosive per munition.

So, it's good optics that 80 tiny munitions come out of a single Iranian warhead, and fillingthe Tel Aviv sky, , but if you do the maths, the total explosive delivered isb4 x 80, which is less than 350 kg.

Same goes for their Diego Garcia attempt. Even if the missile had reached, the warhead must be so tiny that it may not have done any more damage than a single RPG .

Pakistani missiles carry much higher explosive power , without a lot more assurance of hitting the target.

Iran says it didn't attack diego garcia

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[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Is it all your speculation or you have a solid info in support of your claims? How can you claim that Iran has/had more missiles than Pakistan's without knowing how many Pakistan has?
People have been claiming that Iran has ten thousand or more missiles. So far they have fired only a few hundreds. Also, how many military targets they have destroyed in Israel? Apparently they mostly caused some minor damages to houses/building wounding some people here and there. No strategic achievement so far.

Not a single sane person would argue against a claim about Iran having a larger quantity of missiles. Iranian missiles are its *only* deterrence, and a huge portion of their military funds go into that, where they've built several missile silo bases. Pakistan uses missiles for nuclear delivery only, and it invests more of its limited funds into areas like the air force for strike.

It wasn't until very recently that a rocket force was even established.

 

[gamaji]

Not a single sane person would argue against a claim about Iran having a larger quantity of missiles. Iranian missiles are its *only* deterrence, and a huge portion of their military funds go into that, where they've built several missile silo bases. Pakistan uses missiles for nuclear delivery only, and it invests more of its limited funds into areas like the air force for strike.

It wasn't until very recently that a rocket force was even established.

Sorry, but my questions are still unanswered.
Anyhow, is sane person's thinking a proof that Iran has more missiles than Pakistan.
Also, what's 'huge portion of their military funds' and what does it prove, if any?
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