Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Bentley777]

No need to panic and up end the economy. We have to just make dual use of our existing infrastructure. Motorways need dozens of areas that can operate as air bases, with infrastructure in place to “operationalize” them should the need arise. This is also yet another reason why the Hyderabad-Sukkur motorway needs to be completed ASAP.

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If we need weapons in the event of war, we have to have an agreement with China for supplies at the ready for quick delivery ASAP, financed by a soft loan.

Don’t derail the economy, because it is the only way to pay for the big ticket items long term.

I am extremely proud of PAF they can't be defeated in air i have full believe in them but enemy we have is no less than Israel PA should make easy for PAF they are single service we Want PAF to shoot and then defend to than attack again.even in this scenario we would have won SSM battle too if PA had some great SSM. The best missile delivery was also done PAF that's not fair with them. PA should do SSM operations because we don't have something like J16 or su 30 who can launch heavy payload. Cant stretch PAF in every thing.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Reduce army size by 100K which will save $500m, put that money to develop missiles. India air force will not get near border so forget about ground invasion. Their only option now is firing missiles from safe distance. They have advantage of being larger country.

 

[Abid123]

I don’t think they haven’t considered these many options. They had to prioritize capabilities within the budget given. They have made great choices for the budget they have, but if the economy can be grown at 7-8% a year, the budget can be doubled within a decade.

Considering how inefficient Pakistan does business, I honestly believe Pakistan can grow at over 10% annually for at least a decade. Remember China grew at 15.2% in 1984, when their industrial modernization was just getting started (after the reforms of 1978), when they were making up for their inefficiencies.

Something have to be done about the economy.

 

[Watandar]

Reduce army size by 100K which will save $500m, put that money to develop missiles. India air force will not get near border so forget about ground invasion. Their only option now is firing missiles from safe distance. They have advantage of being larger country.

Agree, army needs to go down 100k and the money saved invested in air force, navy and domestic law enforcement efforts. Days of counting tanks and rifles and thinking you have deterrence are long gone.

 

[FuturePAF]

I am extremely proud of PAF they can't be defeated in air i have full believe in them but enemy we have is no less than Israel PA should make easy for PAF they are single service we Want PAF to shoot and then defend to than attack again.even in this scenario we would have won SSM battle too if PA had some great SSM. The best missile delivery was also done PAF that's not fair with them. PA should do SSM operations because we don't have something like J16 or su 30 who can launch heavy payload. Cant stretch PAF in every thing.

For EW work we had the DA-20 planes as @MastanKhan pointed out. It’s not about quantitative parity, we have to focus on quality and striking their “nodes”, as the Quran instructs us, cast fear into them, strike their necks and every finger joint.

It was the inscription I saw in 2005 (at New York fleet week) right behind the HQ-7 missile launcher on the PNS Tipu Sultan.

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[Abid123]

Reduce army size by 100K which will save $500m, put that money to develop missiles. India air force will not get near border so forget about ground invasion. Their only option now is firing missiles from safe distance. They have advantage of being larger country.

Why not go for kamikaze drones like Shahed 136? 2500 km range and costs 20000-50000 usd to make. Below you can see it's range if launched from Lahore.

 

[FuturePAF]

Why not go for kamikaze drones like Shahed 136? 2500 km range and costs 20000-50000 usd to make. Below you can see it's range if launched from Lahore.

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Pakistan is looking at systems from China and Turkey. I doubt we need that much range, but need lower signatures and secure datalinks and ability to do a precision strike on key enemy targets reliably.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan is looking at systems from China and Turkey. I doubt we need that much range, but need lower signatures and secure datalinks and ability to do a precision strike on key enemy targets reliably.

I do think Pakistan needs the range of shaheed 136 so to stretch out India’s defence and force her to actively defend south India. Pakistan has to defend everything, so India has an advantage that can be cheaply neutralise by hitting India’s rear……

 

[Abid123]

Pakistan is looking at systems from China and Turkey. I doubt we need that much range, but need lower signatures and secure datalinks and ability to do a precision strike on key enemy targets reliably.

Yeah I get what you’re saying and Turkey/China systems are solid. But let’s be real, those are expensive and not something we can mass-produce. We don’t need just a few shiny systems, we need hundreds or thousands of things that actually work in a real war.

That’s why Shahed-136 style drones make way more sense. They’re cheap, hard to detect, and can hit targets with good accuracy. Plus, Iran might even be open to a deal, tech transfer or joint production. That’s way more realistic for us than buying high-end stuff.

And about range, bro, I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and be screwed. War doesn’t go by plan. You want that flexibility when it matters. So yeah, low signature and precision is important, but we need quantity, cost-efficiency and reach. That’s how we stay in the fight.

 

[FuturePAF]

I do think Pakistan needs the range of shaheed 136 so to stretch out India’s defence and force her to actively defend south India. Pakistan has to defend everything, so India has an advantage that can be cheaply neutralise by hitting India’s rear……

True, Pakistan could send drones via the sea and open up another axis India would have to monitor.

 

[FuturePAF]

Yeah I get what you’re saying and Turkey/China systems are solid. But let’s be real, those are expensive and not something we can mass-produce. We don’t need just a few shiny systems, we need hundreds or thousands of things that actually work in a real war.

That’s why Shahed-136 style drones make way more sense. They’re cheap, hard to detect, and can hit targets with good accuracy. Plus, Iran might even be open to a deal, tech transfer or joint production. That’s way more realistic for us than buying high-end stuff.

And about range, bro, I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and be screwed. War doesn’t go by plan. You want that flexibility when it matters. So yeah, low signature and precision is important, but we need quantity, cost-efficiency and reach. That’s how we stay in the fight.

Your right, better to have more capability then you need then the other way around. I say work with the Turks first to engineer a system based on experience based on what worked in the Ukraine war, then mass produce more affordable local version.

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[Bentley777]

I think GHQ is overconfident that we got some great missiles in our arsenal this is not the case even houthis allegedly claim to have hypersonic missile. You can call yourself a nuclear power but you don't have even a supersonic cruise missle. Our nuclear power is diluting because no point having warhead if you can not deliver it effectively both are interrelated if one of them compromises your whole nuclear deterrence compromises. The best investment pak ever made and paid price for it by taking so much in the face of sanctions and faced terrorism blood shed of civilians is disappearing. SPD and GHQ is sleeping.

 

[Dalit]

I think GHQ is overconfident that we got some great missiles in our arsenal this is not the case even houthis allegedly claim to have hypersonic missile. You can call yourself a nuclear power but you don't have even a supersonic cruise missle. Our nuclear power is diluting because no point having warhead if you can not deliver it effectively both are interrelated if one of them compromises your whole nuclear deterrence compromises. The best investment pak ever made and paid price for it by taking so much in the face of sanctions and faced terrorism blood shed of civilians is disappearing. SPD and GHQ is sleeping.

There are no two ways about it. Pakistan will have to invest in a hypersonic missile.

 

[Ali_Baba]

There are no two ways about it. Pakistan will have to invest in a hypersonic missile.

India was able to temporarily knock out the runways of 3 airbases( updated my understanding) by landing missiles right in the middle of the runways. Pakistan doesn’t have anything that precise it seems. Fateh has a cep of 10m to 50m depending on which variant is being fired off. This is an issue that Pakistan needs to fix asap. Pakistan lacks precise precision based munitions…. It was not able to demonstrate that capability in this standoff..

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I think GHQ is overconfident that we got some great missiles in our arsenal this is not the case even houthis allegedly claim to have hypersonic missile. You can call yourself a nuclear power but you don't have even a supersonic cruise missle. Our nuclear power is diluting because no point having warhead if you can not deliver it effectively both are interrelated if one of them compromises your whole nuclear deterrence compromises. The best investment pak ever made and paid price for it by taking so much in the face of sanctions and faced terrorism blood shed of civilians is disappearing. SPD and GHQ is sleeping.

Agreed. Keeping up with the latest generation of missiles should be synonymous with being a credible nuclear power and offensive deterrence. If you can't deploy warheads effectively they are close to pointless.

I think we are too comfortable with our lagging missile tech, even considering our economic reality.