Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Toxic]

Yes before that whether ours are better then Indians or Iranians ? we can never know.

We have access to some Chinese tech which Iran didn't so that should definitely benefit us.

 

[Toxic]

Indians seemed to have somewhat of difficult time intercepting F1s what could be the case there?

 

[Psyko70]

Indians seemed to have somewhat of difficult time intercepting F1s what could be the case there?

No idea maybe speed or maybe Indian AD had difficulty locking as f1 rocket is small

 

[Maarkhoor]

No idea maybe speed or maybe Indian AD had difficulty locking as f1 rocket is small

Speed as mentioned by COL. Qurershi "Very high speed" missiles.

 

[hussain0216]

How fast are fattah ?

Plus,

I had misconception that if missile has speed of mach 18 or 15 which I believe is of shaheen missile is. It has in its all ballistic path. Now I came to know that at terminal stage speed due to factors of earth atmosphere is different to mid course and initial phase.

So, when you mentioned someone said working on hypersonic options does it mean that missile or vehicles in terminal stage have hypersonic speed ?

From the information I have seen

Fatah series and SMASH by connection at point of impact with be between MACH 1-5

The information I read suggested, that high approach will get speeds up to MACH 5 and if the missile comes in from.lower trajectories then the speed will be lower

 

[Hassan_716]

so whats our standings in missile systems are we at par with iran or above ... how is it.. if we compare with iran

Actually this came to my mind as a what if ... we have been preparing for our eastern neighbor .. but what if we are up against the best stealthy things ... so yeah may be there we need things like iran.. .. that was the origin of my thought

 

[MS Sandhu]

Exploring powered re-entry vehicles to increase speed (Mach 10+) and perform better evasive maneuvers to defeat advanced air defenses may be worth considering for Pakistan.

Similar in concept to the Iranian Fattah-1.

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Yes this concept should be explored.
Great Concept, but Iranian design philosophy is really crude.Indian Anti Ship Hypersonic Ballistic Missile is centered around this concept and their design is very efficient.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Does china have hypersonic cruise missiles? i know about YJ-12 and CM400AKG but what i wanted to know is a proper hypersonic cruise missile that is with speed more than mach 7 or 8?

 

[Psyko70]

Speed as mentioned by COL. Qurershi "Very high speed" missiles.

Than its above supersonic and point of impact

 

[Maarkhoor]

We are already working on hypersonic CM it should be near completion, and historically we only publicly test these type of systems when we have to show some deterrence.

And I think this is the time to @iss of our neighbor once more by showing hypersonic missiles.

 

[Maarkhoor]

No idea maybe speed or maybe Indian AD had difficulty locking as f1 rocket is small

Prithvi based AD complete failed 8 of these interceptors fell in Amritsar, I am not sure due to our EWS or because of their own design failure.

 

[White Privilege]

We are lacking in hypersonic B.M, we should develop and test hypersonic B.M and cruise missiles.

and mass produce them cheaply. And have the nerve to resort to them too.This war has highlighted this vulnerability for us. We either did not want to escalate or may be Fatah series missiles weren't that effective.

 

[Toxic]

and mass produce them cheaply. And have the nerve to resort to them too.This war has highlighted this vulnerability for us. We either did not want to escalate or may be Fatah series missiles weren't that effective.

It wasn't the Fatah that wasn't effective it was our BDA

 

[Corax]

External Control fins only increase drag limiting the missile speed.
So Pakistan has moved away from external fins
Earlier Shaheen Versions had fins.

Even you can see fins on Fatah-2 but Fatah-3 comes with no fins at all
I suspect 50km increase in range may be due to Separable Warhead + Finless design.

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F3 - Finless & Separable Warhead Design
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F2 - central and baseline Fins design

No, there are external fins on F3, the photo is really poor quality, but they are there, in the same configuration as F2.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

It wasn't the Fatah that wasn't effective it was our BDA

maybe they know by using chinese satellites but it is not made public?