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[PakShaheen_79]

why not go for a Chinese airliner ?? I believe in future this would be the only option mass available for military conversion due to geopolitics

I believe Chinese airliners are just got certified for mass commerncial exports. They are too fresh for such repurposing. On the other hand, Chinese MIC is supplying Y-9, Y-8 and J-20 etc. for PLA forces.

 

[Scorpio]

How much life will left actually in already used Lineage 1000E Airframe ..?

 

[PakShaheen_79]

How much life will left actually in already used Lineage 1000E Airframe ..?

Very apt question ... Entire sucess of the program depends on the integrity of the base platform it is going to be based upon.

 

[Ak01]

How much life will left actually in already used Lineage 1000E Airframe ..?

tons. cycles are probably more important here and the L1000Es probably have far lower cycles thn E190s or 737s that could be bought used because the 1000s are long range birds designed on a short range airliner- so one with a very high cycle lifelimit. i.e a 737 has a 75,000 cycle limit, whereas a 747 has a 35,000 cycle limit.

 

[Yasser76]

tons. cycles are probably more important here and the L1000Es probably have far lower cycles thn E190s or 737s that could be bought used because the 1000s are long range birds designed on a short range airliner- so one with a very high cycle lifelimit. i.e a 737 has a 75,000 cycle limit, whereas a 747 has a 35,000 cycle limit.

Yeah, the tech will date far ahead of the airframe in this case

 

[Scorpio]

tons. cycles are probably more important here and the L1000Es probably have far lower cycles thn E190s or 737s that could be bought used because the 1000s are long range birds designed on a short range airliner- so one with a very high cycle lifelimit. i.e a 737 has a 75,000 cycle limit, whereas a 747 has a 35,000 cycle limit.

Thank, so what's there airframe lifecycle limit? any idea

 

[Ak01]

Thank, so what's there airframe lifecycle limit? any idea

nope but itll probably be 737 tier

 

[Michael]

Why doesn't the PLA go for Chinese airliners for its requirements?

This issue has sparked heated debate on Chinese social media platforms, but there's no clear conclusion.

IMO.
We won't see the PLA undergo a large-scale transition of its military special aircraft platforms from the Y series (Y8/Y9/Y20......) to the C9x9 series (C909/C919/C929......).

Military and civilian aircraft platforms differ significantly in practical applications.
Fuselage structure and interior space, runway requirements for takeoff and landing, aircraft flight performance, and the ease of platform modification......
If you are interested, you can ask AI for the specific details.
Both platforms have their own advantages and disadvantages. There's no clear comparison of which is better. Each country should make its own choice based on its own circumstances.

The PLA's current military special aircraft fleet is in the hybrid phase of manned and unmanned operations. According to official sources, major Chinese military enterprises are fully committed to increasing investment in unmanned military special aircraft. This means that the PLA will largely unmanned its military special aircraft in the future, with manned aircraft only performing a very small number of missions. I believe this may take about 10-20 years.

The PLA currently possesses a large number of Y-series military special aircraft. If the PLA were to fully convert these to the C9x9 series, it would be equivalent to completely rebuilding the PLA's military special aircraft maintenance system, a process that would take at least 10-20 years.

The C9x9 series of civil airliners is manufactured by COMAC in full compliance with the universal rules of the international civil aviation system. Many of its components come from foreign suppliers. This isn't because China can't manufacture these components, but rather the result of a trade-off in commercial interests.
In the early days of COMAC's development, in order to expand into the international market, we had to make some trade-offs with Western developed countries. If all the components of the C9x9 series of civil airliners were 100% manufactured in China, Western developed countries would never allow these aircraft to appear in their countries. But, the PLA is unlikely to allow its military special aircraft to contain a large number of Western components.
Therefore, COMAC must first reach agreements with Western countries and adopt a large number of Western components. After gradually gaining market share, they can then gradually increase the proportion of domestically produced parts. Regarding the engine issue raised by some friends, this is not the core issue. The CJ-1000/CJ-1000A is already ready.

Summary:
When the C9x9 series civilian aircraft platform meets the PLA's requirements (in terms of domestic production ratio), the PLA's military special aircraft will have entered the next era and will no longer require such platforms in large quantities.

A small number of experimental modifications are not within the scope of this discussion.

 

[RandomThoughts7]

tons. cycles are probably more important here and the L1000Es probably have far lower cycles thn E190s or 737s that could be bought used because the 1000s are long range birds designed on a short range airliner- so one with a very high cycle lifelimit. i.e a 737 has a 75,000 cycle limit, whereas a 747 has a 35,000 cycle limit.

Hi, the Lineage really is the E190 with fuel tanks replacing some of the cargo hold space. In addition, you can bring down the hours on an airframe by maintenance, refurbishment and replacement of components.

The Lineage are currently in South Africa being modified and refurbished by Paramount Group.

Pakistan to receive South African-modified maritime patrol aircraft from 2026 - DefenceWeb

The Pakistan Navy will in 2026 receive the first Embraer Lineage 1000 aircraft modified by Leonardo and Paramount Aerospace Systems for the maritime patrol

www.defenceweb.co.za

 

[Dreamer]

first one or two are probs nearing delivery.

IMO, PN is just buying every irframe that comes to the market as they are as rare as hens teeth these Lineage 1000E.

IMO PN will struggle to hit 10 airframes

How many ATR72 MPA's do we have? 3 or 4?

 

[Yasser76]

How many ATR72 MPA's do we have? 3 or 4?

3 plus 2 standard config according to Scramble

 

[Dreamer]

So 3 are MPA's and other 2 are simple transports?

Maybe PN will follow similar route with Lineage-1000, if they acquire 10 airframes, not all of them might be converted. A couple could be kept as spares?

 

[Yasser76]

So 3 are MPA's and other 2 are simple transports?

Maybe PN will follow similar route with Lineage-1000, if they acquire 10 airframes, not all of them might be converted. A couple could be kept as spares?

think exact numbers may be kept deliberetly vageu

 

[Toxic]

So 3 are MPA's and other 2 are simple transports?

Maybe PN will follow similar route with Lineage-1000, if they acquire 10 airframes, not all of them might be converted. A couple could be kept as spares?

Not necessarily, PN could always acquire E190s that could serve as spares beyond those 10 L1000s

 

[Yasser76]

Not necessarily, PN could always acquire E190s that could serve as spares beyond that 10 L1000s

Yeah, my feeling that is why PAF keeping a large SAAB 2000 fleet for training/spares/extra Erieye conversion.

The actual SAAB 2000 is very impractical as an airlifter. No cargo door and think body, so they are not that versitile in that role