Pakistan Navy Tests Taimoor Cruise Missile

[kimjongun]

yeah, theres 3 versions

Ra'ad which i dont think carries a seeker- purely nuclear, mix of DSMAC/TERCOM etc

Taimoor IIR- IIR seeker, i feel for these mass produced variants they're probably ditching the expensive dsmac/tercom kit, designed for the air force.

Taimoor AShM, as above, with a radar seeker

i do also vaguely remember a taimoor non IIR which is probably an air force weapon again, maybe an ARH seeker? No idea, i dont remember. But i think the IIR version probably makes alot more sense for the air force, most of the modern ALCM's are IIR based for target recog

Ditching the tercom in the iir variants?? wouldn't that make these quite vulnerable ?
Tbh Navy is doing quite good progress and is using the funds it gets , now i think we should see a test by the Jf17s too (publicly)

 

[Ak01]

Ditching the tercom in the iir variants?? wouldn't that make these quite vulnerable ?
Tbh Navy is doing quite good progress and is using the funds it gets , now i think we should see a test by the Jf17s too (publicly)

@JamD will be better placed to talk about it than me. In terms of terrain hugging with its IIR seeker and GPS/INS combo

 

[Taimoor]

On this occasion, unless they want to reuse the targeting platform, I don't understand the obsession of testing missile systems without warhead.

 

[Ak01]

On this occasion, unless they want to reuse the targeting platform, I don't understand the obsession of testing missile systems without warhead.

why would you test this with a warhead? how would you actuall capture the footage to be able to take a look at how it performed?

 

[Ak01]

i sincerely hope and pray the PN looks towards a powered quicksink type solution...



powered jdam's imo are possibly the best solution for a volume attack on indian ships, esp paired with a low cost seeker. Or possibly tons of AZB 81's

 

[Taimoor]

why would you test this with a warhead? how would you actuall capture the footage to be able to take a look at how it performed?

Mimicking the actual use scenario and assement of the warhead effectiveness?

Pay attention to what I said. I mentioned missile systemS. Not only on this occasion, we have this habit of testing indigenous missiles without warheads. We like to slam into targets or ground without or dummy warhead, unless there is some super secret strategy, most nations usually test their system with full package.

 

[Ak01]

Mimicking the actual use scenario and assement of the warhead effectiveness?

Pay attention to what I said. I mentioned missile systemS. Not only on this occasion, we have this habit of testing indigenous missiles without warheads. We like to slam into targets or ground without or dummy warhead, unless there is some super secret strategy, most nations usually test their system with full package.

stupid comment.

Taimoor AS uses a shaped charge. How would you test the effectiveness of said shaped charge against a radar reflector?

How do you measure the effectiveness of SMASH warhead against a radar reflector?

How do you measure the effectiveness of the fatah warhead? How big of a crater in the dirt it creates?

silly points. These tests are not for testing warheads, but rather flight parameters. Warheads are tested independently elsewhere.

 

[Taimoor]

stupid comment.

Taimoor AS uses a shaped charge. How would you test the effectiveness of said shaped charge against a radar reflector?

How do you measure the effectiveness of SMASH warhead against a radar reflector?

How do you measure the effectiveness of the fatah warhead? How big of a crater in the dirt it creates?

silly points. These tests are not for testing warheads, but rather flight parameters. Warheads are tested independently elsewhere.

Retard comment like always.

Show me one occasion when Babur, raad, taimoor series tests which has been going on since 2005, they were tested with warheads? You can extend that our our BMs series as well from the times of hataf 1.

Unless other nations are dumb, on most occasions the missile systems are tested with customised warheads for the weapon system.

 

[Ibbi32]

i sincerely hope and pray the PN looks towards a powered quicksink type solution...
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I think in our case something like quickstrike might actually be more useful in mining indian western seaboard. Quicksink is cool as a volume effective follow up option but things like SMASH and cm-400AKG are obviously navies premier AD penetration weapons to break through fleet screen with stuff like taimoor and harbah ng relying more on LO and sea skimming capabilities but having more of a standoff detterence effect with their longer range.

If we do get something like quicksink/quickstrike on mirages they can live forever and gain even more strategic prevelence until more 4/5 gens come

 

[Fatman17]

Which platform was used by the Navy?
Seaking
P3C
Are Sea Sultan operational?
There is another MSA. I'm forgetting the type. Upgraded in Germany

 

[Ak01]

I think in our case something like quickstrike might actually be more useful in mining indian western seaboard. Quicksink is cool as a volume effective follow up option but things like SMASH and cm-400AKG are obviously navies premier AD penetration weapons to break through fleet screen with stuff like taimoor and harbah ng relying more on LO and sea skimming capabilities but having more of a standoff detterence effect with their longer range.

If we do get something like quicksink/quickstrike on mirages they can live forever and gain even more strategic prevelence until more 4/5 gens come

imo the SMASH/CM400 way isnt ideal because its just all so expensive, PJDAM estimated at 150k, you could get 10-15 of them towards a target vs a single harpoon or c802, great system. Can also deploy via UCAVs

 

[Fatman17]

Which platform was used by the Navy?
Seaking
P3C
Are Sea Sultan operational?
There is another MSA. I'm forgetting the type. Upgraded in Germany

 

[kimjongun]

imo the SMASH/CM400 way isnt ideal because its just all so expensive, PJDAM estimated at 150k, you could get 10-15 of them towards a target vs a single harpoon or c802, great system. Can also deploy via UCAVs

and its range?

 

[Ak01]

and its range?

300nm+ with 500lb warhead, or if used as a decoy with an additonal fuel tank, 700nm+

 

[Ibbi32]

imo the SMASH/CM400 way isnt ideal because its just all so expensive, PJDAM estimated at 150k, you could get 10-15 of them towards a target vs a single harpoon or c802, great system. Can also deploy via UCAVs

I think youre right but navy is imo rightly worrying about penetration aspect before volume. I think the understanding is that navy is looking at another short but hot war where IN tries some hit and run strike and tries to get away from a distance before they can be picked apart. Whereas SMASH and cm-400AKG are more shorter range but high probability of penetration weapons that can penetrate the fleet screen and soften them up or do something thats a PR victory like hitting an IN carrier without sinking it if babus want non escalation. Taimoor exists as a long range detterent that turns entire indian ocean into a warzone.

Something like cm-400 still requires a jf-17 and airforce willing to spare them but taimoor can be launched from something less needed like mirage and soon navys fully own sea sultan. A sea sultan can go anywhere in the Arabian sea and lob a couple cruise missiles and any unsuspecting warship in WIOR is at danger.

A quicksink like weapon whilst obviously extremely useful cant exactly be used the same way. I dont think we have any rocket powered REKs, let alone one with iir or laser guidance. I think you are also completely misunderstanding the role of these weapons as AShMs are supposed to penetrate AD whilst quick sink is supposed to be a volume effective weapon used to sink mostly auxiliaries