Pakistan not among 5 nations announced to have committed troops for International Stabilisation Force in Gaza

[diaspora]

Americans knew that Pakistan was playing on both sides of the wickets ....they are not stupid.....

This is all about a wicked game.....all over ..

Just check new Epstine Files ....911, AlQaida and ISIS were all false flags ops....

You're missing the point.

Pakistan doesn't always say Yes to the US. We do what we believe is in the best interests of our sovereignty. Do we make mistakes? Absolutely. But to say that we are somehow subservient to US foreign policy is lazy work.

The US offered us massive incentives from the 70s to the 90s asking us to stop our pursuit of nuclear weapons. This included billions in economic aid, F16s and waiving the sanctions that were in the works. Did we say yes? No, we did not. We were hit by the Pressler amendments and thrown to the economic grinder. Considered a failed state, and an Islamist pariah, we joined the ranks of Iran, North Korea and Somalia in US foreign policy. Our sovereignty demanded difficult decisions at the time and our leadership took them and we stood behind it. A quarter of a century later, it is reassuring to see that despite the challenges we have faced, we are still holding the line.

Pakistan could easily have said No to the Peace Board as well. Does that liberate Palestine? No. Will saying Yes liberateb Palestine? I don't know; but to see our PM put Pakistan's position to POTUS with clarity is reassuring.

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"If you don't have a seat at the table, you're on the menu." ~ Mark Carney at Davos 2026.

Your problem is that you see the world through Imran Khan's incarceration - and that too you do not look at objectively. This is why you struggle to form a reasonable opinion. The world and Pakistan are much bigger than a single person. Did you celeberate when Imran Khan locked up Nawaz Sharif?

 

[NA71]

You're missing the point.

Pakistan doesn't always say Yes to the US. We do what we believe is in the best interests of our sovereignty. Do we make mistakes? Absolutely. But to say that we are somehow subservient to US foreign policy is lazy work.

The US offered us massive incentives from the 70s to the 90s asking us to stop our pursuit of nuclear weapons. This included billions in economic aid, F16s and waiving the sanctions that were in the works. Did we say yes? No, we did not. We were hit by the Pressler amendments and thrown to the economic grinder. Considered a failed state, and an Islamist pariah, we joined the ranks of Iran, North Korea and Somalia in US foreign policy. Our sovereignty demanded difficult decisions at the time and our leadership took them and we stood behind it. A quarter of a century later, it is reassuring to see that despite the challenges we have faced, we are still holding the line.

Pakistan could easily have said No to the Peace Board as well. Does that liberate Palestine? No. Will saying Yes liberateb Palestine? I don't know; but to see our PM put Pakistan's position to POTUS with clarity is reassuring.

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"If you don't have a seat at the table, you're on the menu." ~ Mark Carney at Davos 2026.

Your problem is that you see the world through Imran Khan's incarceration - and that too you do not look at objectively. This is why you struggle to form a reasonable opinion. The world and Pakistan are much bigger than a single person. Did you celeberate when Imran Khan locked up Nawaz Sharif?

I just mentioned....not a supporter of PTI...its a failed project...like many we had in pakistani politics

 

[diaspora]

@Goenitz
My friend, you’re not facing reasoned posters... you’re up against a cross-section of denialists, united not by principle but by an almost obsessive hostility toward one man. Disagreement is one thing... this is fixation.

They cannot stomach the fact that the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis support his principled stance, so they resort to noise ... insults, distortions, endless narrative gymnastics.... Meanwhile, the man sits in jail, and they dutifully rationalize every excess and haramzadgi of the current regime including doing Israel's bidding, by blaming IK and his supporters for everything under the sun.

And after all that projection, they call PTI a "cult." ... They can't be taken seriously

The principled stance your man behind bars took in office is exactly what led to his incarceration. His defence of the Taliban and his plan to release them, negotiate with them and resettle thousands of terrorists in KP rang the alarm bells in the latter part of his tenure. Heck, him and Faiz even let Ehsanullah Ehsan go.

The only people in denial are you lot.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The principled stance your man behind bars took in office is exactly what led to his incarceration. His defence of the Taliban and his plan to release them, negotiate with them and resettle thousands of terrorists in KP rang the alarm bells in the latter part of his tenure. Heck, him and Faiz even let Ehsanullah Ehsan go.

The only people in denial are you lot.

He’s in jail over his marriage and a gift he was legally entitled to. Those are the charges...

You can oppose him politically, fine. But don’t let personal hostility blur basic facts...Try again.

 

[diaspora]

He’s in jail over his marriage and a gift he was legally entitled to. Those are the charges...

You can oppose him politically, fine. But don’t let personal hostility blur basic facts...Try again.

Which speaks volumes of the Ministry of Law's ineptitude. Why we give space to terrorists in this country is beyond me. I guess it helps when the DG ISI is doing your bidding. Faiz's charge sheet has yet to be released but his open support for the Taliban is exactly why we're seeing the current cycle of violence.

Khan was put to the VONC for defending his plans to settle the TTP in ex FATA. The fact that he has not been charged for supporting terrorism is a blot on our judicial system.

 

[VCheng]

This is my main issue with that base. They don't care about what their actions/words mean for Pakistan anymore. It is one thing to have a political position against a sitting government, but their actions clearly show that they don't give a hoot pulling the entire country down and its reputation just because their man is not in charge.

It is unfortunate when you cannot even utter a compliment for something that is good for the country/Pakistan. This is what extremism in politics does. I still remember the fanatical Jiyalay of the 70s and 80s. I have my issues with the corruption of Zardari, Sharif et-al but even when they were in leadership, if something positive happened in Pakistan, it made one happy for the country.

Almost reminds one of a vengeful ex. amidst a divorce going full "burn-it all down" mode.

It takes a certain level of maturity to be able to see that life is always more than just black and white. And much of the membership of this forum is far, far away from even that minimum level.

If it were up to them, they would force the sun to stop rising until their cult leader is enthroned again, let alone just asking for remittances to be stopped and much else besides.

Luckily, as the present thread shows, Pakistan will move on, regardless, in all its shades of gray, as best as it can, internationally and domestically.

 

[VCheng]

And ain't that the truth?

Speaking the truth is an activity fraught with danger.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Which speaks volumes of the Ministry of Law's ineptitude. Why we give space to terrorists in this country is beyond me. I guess it helps when the DG ISI is doing your bidding. Faiz's charge sheet has yet to be released but his open support for the Taliban is exactly why we're seeing the current cycle of violence.

Khan was put to the VONC for defending his plans to settle the TTP in ex FATA. The fact that he has not been charged for supporting terrorism is a blot on our judicial system.

It may sound like a fair point.... but blaming a Prime Minister alone for a national security failure in Pakistan is intellectually lazy (or dishonest must I say)....

This is a country where over half of its 75+ year history has been under direct military rule, and not a single one of the 20+ PMs has been allowed to complete a full term. Power has never truly rested in the PM’s office....

So to pretend the civilian face carries exclusive responsibility for supporting terrorism is either naive, or at worst disingenuous ..

 

[diaspora]

It may sound like a fair point.... but blaming a Prime Minister alone for a national security failure in Pakistan is intellectually lazy (or dishonest must I say)....

This is a country where over half of its 75+ year history has been under direct military rule, and not a single one of the 20+ PMs has been allowed to complete a full term. Power has never truly rested in the PM’s office....

So to pretend the civilian face carries exclusive responsibility is either naive, or at worst disingenuous ..

Facts, all of them. Accountability has to start somewhere.

Faiz's incarceration is a welcome breeze.

Whoever protected Musharraf from facing the music must also be tried. Will that happen? I don't know - I also didn't expect Faiz to get jailed.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Facts, all of them. Accountability has to start somewhere.

Faiz's incarceration is a welcome breeze.

Whoever protected Musharraf from facing the music must also be tried. Will that happen? I don't know - I also didn't expect Faiz to get jailed.

Agreeing on Faiz’s accountability is easy .. the real test of principle is whether one can condemn Asim and co. for continuously doing far worse... Blaming civilians for the crimes of the military won’t get us anywhere

 

[mythbuster]

Facts, all of them. Accountability has to start somewhere.

Faiz's incarceration is a welcome breeze.

Whoever protected Musharraf from facing the music must also be tried. Will that happen? I don't know - I also didn't expect Faiz to get jailed.

Faiz is a scapegoat , real culprits are Bajwa and Imran khan.....faiz delivered what he was asked to deliver.

 

[mythbuster]

He’s in jail over his marriage and a gift he was legally entitled to. Those are the charges...

You can oppose him politically, fine. But don’t let personal hostility blur basic facts...Try again.

Al Capone was jailed for income tax fraud though he was an innocent man right ?

 

[Blain2]

because I, alongwith many, thought that the Army and Ulema themselves couldn't do such things. Even when Bajwa was saying that we don't have fuel for our tanks, etc., I considered that just an excuse to convince journalists.

Just last year, I met a cavalry guy. What the CO did is worse than no fuel during an exercise. Now, when I listen and post such things, it is just an admission of my gullibility and their endorsement.

If IK is a torjan, at least the government should file and make cases on that. Not on iddat and tushakhana etc. If not, they should make a narrative against IK.

So EVERYONE but IK (including the Ulema and Army) have sold out the country? Is that what you want us to believe? At least that is what the video you posted was claiming.

Why do the base think that prior to Imran Khan, nobody in Pakistan cared about Islam, Muslims, Pakistan's dignity? I suspect most of this is because the base itself only came of age post 2000.

Second, what of this noise about fuel? It was the words of one journalist, neither here or there. You saw the proof of the pudding in May 2025. We moved our ground forces, it included armor and artillery locked and loaded where needed using a ton of fuel. This was on top of simultaneously fighting a COIN campaign for 25 years which has required funding, fuel and ammunition. Where do you think the POL for military operations came from for those if we did not have fuel for our equipment? American largess stopped in 2018. Since May past, the entire Air Force was flying 24x7 for months - consuming hundreds of thousands of gallons of jet fuel and here we are to believe one journalist that Pakistani military has run out of fuel because he heard something?

I am sorry to say but your line of reasoning is flawed. You claimed in your initial post that everyone, as per Khan sahib, is a sell-out and will surrender on Palestine and Kashmir. How does he know that? When has Pakistan ever made a deal with Israel? Never, not before him and not after him. The closest to Israeli connections is Khan sahib himself with his Goldsmith ties. When has Pakistan "normalized" with India and surrendered Kashmir? It was only the great Khan sahib who was claiming, as usual, "nobody knows Indians better than me" (the same as "nobody knows the west better than me" claims) and that he could make peace with India, all for nought.

It's one thing to plead his case on the basis of his innocence and the charges being trumped up. That does not make him the one and only rightly guided khalifa for Pakistanis. To his base, like BBs and NS's, he is the end all, be all but not all of Pakistan is his base. Pakistanis have practiced Islam and cared about causes dear to Muslims long before Khan sahib became a born-again Muslim after enjoying the West. They don't need yet another "referendum" to prove their love for Islam.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Al Capone was jailed for income tax fraud though he was an innocent man right ?

Using the century old criminal Capone conviction to justify going after an elected PM today is a stretch even a circus performer would struggle to pull off...

 

[Goenitz]

So EVERYONE but IK (including the Ulema and Army) have sold out the country? Is that what you want us to believe? At least that is what the video you posted was claiming.

You want us to believe that prior to Imran Khan, nobody in Pakistan cared about Islam, Muslims, Pakistan's dignity?

What of this noise about fuel? It was the words of one journalist, neither here or there. You saw the proof of the pudding in May 2025. We moved our ground forces, it included armor and artillery locked and loaded where needed. This was on top of simultaneously fighting a COIN campaign for 25 years which has required funding, fuel and ammunition. Where do you think the POL for military operations came from for those if we did not fuel for our equipment? The entire Air Force was flying 24x7 for months - consuming hundreds of thousands of gallons of jet fuel and here we are to believe one journalist that Pakistani military has run out of fuel because he heard something?

I am sorry to say but your line of reasoning is flawed. You claimed in your initial post that everyone as per Khan sahib is a sell-out and will surrender on Palestine and Kashmir. How does he know that? Is he Allah's vicegerent on earth? When has Pakistan made a deal with Israel? Never, not before him and not after him. The closest to Israeli connections is Khan sahib himself with his Goldsmith ties. When has Pakistan "normalized" with India and surrendered Kashmir? It was the great Khan sahib, who was claiming, as usual, 'nobody knows Indians better than him" (the same as "nobody knows the west better than me" claims) and that he could make peace with India, all for nought.

It's one thing to plead his case on the basis of his innocence and the charges being trumped up. That does not make him the one and only rightly guided khalifa. Pakistanis have practiced Islam and cared about causes dear to Muslims long before Khan sahib became a born-again Muslim after enjoying the West. They don't need yet another "referendum".

oh bhai... itna kuch nahi kaha ma ... you 'understood' a lot from my one statement and the video.

The video is mainly about elite whose interests are in looted wealth, which they have accumulated abroad. Therefore, they cannot safeguard Pak's interests.

When did the video or I say anything about Islam, or the rest are traitors, sell out, etc?

You just let the allegation barrage open against IK under the sun because the video provided a cause, but I didn't raise any of those points.

Yes, IK knows the West better than most of US as he walked and lived among them. He was also sitting around with Indian elites in the 90s. So, he has reasons to say that. For sure, he is not an expert on defence, economy, or politics, as such, etc.

Lastly, Allah know what is inside hearts, but Jemima accepted Islam. PMLN and co made sure that she must leave that. Anyway, Muslims are allowed to marry jews. The Quran also says that among jews, some are Ameen (a very high and noble attribute).

"And among the People of the Scripture is he who, if you entrust him with a great amount [of wealth], he will return it to you. And among them is he who, if you entrust him with a [single] silver coin, he will not return it to you unless you are constantly standing over him [demanding it]..." [14, 25]."

Please, don't paint all with the same brush. Jemima also raises voice for Palestinians. In the land of the pure, only Senator Mustaq played that role. Yes, we still can't believe her as a saviour, but we cannot deny that she is doing those good deeds.