Pakistan Rocket Force Command News and Discussions

[Bratva]

When we talk about magazine depth, I wonder if we've this much babur/Fatah-IV in our inventory and if we can fire this much amount in high intensity war

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[Ak01]

babur/Fatah-IV

no, not a chance in hell. I would be impressed if we had 100 in TOTAL of both combined.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Simply put, this unit is primarily tasked with conducting precision strike missions within a range of 1,000 kilometers.

Increase the range. Target Kolkata as well

 

[kimjongun]

no, not a chance in hell. I would be impressed if we had 100 in TOTAL of both combined.

sad to hear . But tbh i will place the bet on babur being in larger in number then the
Shaheen 2/3 deffo . its just that the program has been continued for so long and quite some tests and pics have been released .

 

[kimjongun]

Increase the range. Target Kolkata as well

bhai dont mind but apki ex Kolkata ki thi kya?

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Friendly Reminder:

This thread focuses primarily on Pakistan's ARFC. This is a tactical-level force, distinct from Pakistan's strategic-level forces.

According to current official reports, the ARFC is designated as a branch-level unit within the Pakistan Army responsible for the control and operation of conventional rockets and missiles—specifically, short-to-medium-range conventional missiles.

Simply put, this unit is primarily tasked with conducting precision strike missions within a range of 1,000 kilometers.

Weapon systems of this caliber rely primarily on tactical camouflage and high mobility to ensure their survivability, rather than on heavily fortified underground bunkers.

Consequently, discussing underground facilities—which fall under the category of strategic-level engineering projects—would constitute a digression from the topic of this thread.

It is not that simplistic. Iranian convnetional missile bases are underground and now the entire world knows why. If Iran with 4X territory of Pakistan require these underground bases, then yes, certainly Pakistan also need due to its narrow geography which automatically negates our forces any meaningful strategic depth to begin with.

In the context of ongoing disucssion, I would like to endorse what @Bratva posted about lack of vision in top military brass about fluid dynamics of modern combat where Non-Contact Warfare has become central idea of war fighting (Ukraine, Iran, Pak-India May 2025) all proves in similar direction. Raising ARFC after May 2025 conflict in itself proves this. But we have a bigger issue here. Our leadership took too long to realize that a limited conflict with India under nuclear overhang is possible. (Original basis for Cold Start Doctrine) and when they did realize, they are REACTING to what has happened already instead of BEING PROACTIVE and thinking about how to mount an offensive defense right from the beginning and best way to achieve this for a geographically smaller country is to take the war to the enemy instead of allowing it to hammer you. All our procurements, force structures, deployement infrastructure hints towards this expensive strategy of taking hit, absorb damage and then reply after superficial restraint.

 

[Abid123]

When we talk about magazine depth, I wonder if we've this much babur/Fatah-IV in our inventory and if we can fire this much amount in high intensity war

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Not even close. I doubt we even have 300 Babur.

 

[Bratva]

When we talk about scaling the production of conventional supersonic and sub-sonic missiles, we need to consider the costs and supply chain issues. Pakistani missile making entities are operating under severe sanctions. The front companies made to procure the materials and equipment are quickly identified and sanctioned by America.

So the materials from black-market or from china would come at a steep cost and we'd be paying high premium on it. Being a sanctioned entity and how desperate we are.

It'd jackup the price of final/finished product. China which is known for cheap production sold us 50 CM-400 AKG at 1 Million $ a piece. The cost of our missiles, lets say for Fatah-IV, if we think is 500,000 $, think again. It could be 1 million or more because of how we procure things.

America fired more than 850 Missiles in 1 month of war which is 850 - 900 million dollars and that's for one type of subsonic missile . We have Fatah-1, 2 , 3, 4/Babur, SMASH, Taimoor/Ra'ad and not to forget the Babur LACM/Naval versions, Shaheen's, Abdali's and Ababeel's. We don't have that kind of money to produce the conventional missiles at such large scale in given conditions unless we start eating grass again. (GCC funds should be out of question now considering what they going through.)

 

[MS Sandhu]

wonder how much a Fateh-II rocket/BM cost? and how many we can produce locally per year?

PrSM is American equivalent of F2 and they are producing only 400/year
So Pakistan producing 50-70 per year would be somewhat close guess.

 

[MS Sandhu]

America fired more than 850 Missiles in 1 month of war

That's when Iran's air defence systems were awfully.
Same wouldn't be true for Indian SAMs.

 

[VectorZero]

Not even close. I doubt we even have 300 Babur.

less then 100

 

[Princeps]

PrSM is American equivalent of F2 and they are producing only 400/year
So Pakistan producing 50-70 per year would be somewhat close guess.

10 per year at best

 

[MS Sandhu]

10 per year at best

They fired F1s in quite a good numbers in may conflict - was actually a weapon of choice.
I assume F1 was in stocks in good numbers.
F2 is not something radically different from F1 . Just a bigger rocket with more range.
So 50-70 units/ year should not be a problem.

And they pretty quickly developed F2 from F1.

 

[kimjongun]

They fired F1s in quite a good numbers in may conflict - was actually a weapon of choice.
I assume F1 was in stocks in good numbers.
F2 is not something radically different from F1 . Just a bigger rocket with more range.
So 50-70 units/ year should not be a problem.

And they pretty quickly developed F2 from F1.

And now the F3 and F4 , F2 seems hopefully mid in numbers cuz the navy has shown interest in it and has tested it too (newer SMASH launch) .
And CMs are not so easy to manufacture , you need reliable engines which we dont produce for now (for this turkey is like a gold mine for us) and other systems which come at a cost . In Addition you have to look at the Procurement budget of PAF/PA for these missiles.

 

[MS Sandhu]

CMs are not so easy to manufacture , you need reliable engines which we dont produce for now

I think cruise missile engines are produced in Pakistan now.
Cruise missiles with Ukrainian engines had 750km range , ones with local engines have 450km.
If a sanctioned country like Iran can produce MRBMs in thousands, it should not be a problem for Pakistan to get at least F1 & F2 in enough numbers.

Once we get aerodynamics in control, Ballistic missiles can be quite survivable.