Pakistan Rocket Force Command News and Discussions

Indian dont have the depth of interceptors to tacle Our somewhat large ballistic volleys , also most of indian BMD is around main cities and is not the whole country . So indian wont use BMD(a mainly high altitude system) on sum tactical BMs...
Pakistan also doesn’t really have the kind of big, ready to fire missile stock you’re talking about. Having missile names is one thing but having enough of them ready for repeated, large scale launches is a different story.

Even during the Ops Sindoor escalation last year, there was no real large use of Babur or Raad missiles on the scale Pakistanis online often claim. For years there’s been talk around these systems but in actual high tension moments, the nos simply didn’t match the hype.

That’s also why Pakistan is now talking about a separate Rocket Force Command. See conventional missiles are not just stored and fired. For that you need production lines, fuel systems, electronics, storage, transport and constant funding to keep them ready in large nos. Without that, you can’t really sustain long volleys.

A more modern way to judge readiness is whether missiles are kept in sealed canisters (often carbon composite ones), which means they are protected, easier to maintain, and ready to launch quickly. Most of your systems are more traditional road mobile types.

Looking at Pakistan’s economy and financial condition, it’s hard to see how they can afford or maintain a large scale, high readiness missile force with proper redundancy and sustainment. These systems are expensive not just to build but to keep ready year after year.
 
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Pakistan also doesn’t really have the kind of big, ready to fire missile stock you’re talking about. Having missile names is one thing but having enough of them ready for repeated, large scale launches is a different story.

Even during the Ops Sindoor escalation last year, there was no real large use of Babur or Raad missiles on the scale Pakistanis online often claim. For years there’s been talk around these systems but in actual high tension moments, the nos simply didn’t match the hype.

That’s also why Pakistan is now talking about a separate Rocket Force Command. See conventional missiles are not just stored and fired. For that you need production lines, fuel systems, electronics, storage, transport and constant funding to keep them ready in large nos. Without that, you can’t really sustain long volleys.

A more modern way to judge readiness is whether missiles are kept in sealed canisters (often carbon composite ones), which means they are protected, easier to maintain, and ready to launch quickly. Most of your systems are more traditional road mobile types.

Looking at Pakistan’s economy and financial condition, it’s hard to see how they can afford or maintain a large scale, high readiness missile force with proper redundancy and sustainment. These systems are expensive not just to build but to keep ready year after year.
90 percent of our missile arsenal was and is Strategic or you can say for nuclear use.
Saying "Pakistan didnt use babur in may" is foolish even after knowing those missiles have a nuclear role. This was also the reason for the formation of the Rocket force command.

I know how missiles are stored and fired , We have enough facilities and stocks to produce TELs , Missiles , rocket engines and solid chemicals for propellent mixtures. Organizations like SPD are given black budgets for a reason.

Mind you which of our systems are more "traditional" ? The airtight storage containers are quite easy to manufacture , they are mostly from fiberglass and not carbon fiber.

Iranians have been using them to store their missiles and re entry vehicles and you think a country like Pakistan whose strongest defence infrastructure , spending , know how and men goes into the production and protection of strategic arsenal wont know how to make some composite cases??

Missile maintenance is nor that expensive as yall think , Missiles when manufactured have the capabilities to be stored for long times , propellant's have long shelf lives and guidance computers are readily checked for corrections.

We were initially talking about tactical ballistic missiles , which i bet we have in some number , considering the amount of tests we have done with them and how many are deployed.
 
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90 percent of our missile arsenal was and is Strategic or you can say for nuclear use.
Saying "Pakistan didnt use babur in may" is foolish even after knowing those missiles have a nuclear role. This was also the reason for the formation of the Rocket force command.

I know how missiles are stored and fired , We have enough facilities and stocks to produce TELs , Missiles , rocket engines and solid chemicals for propellent mixtures. Organizations like SPD are given black budgets for a reason.

Mind you which of our systems are more "traditional" ? The airtight storage containers are quite easy to manufacture , they are mostly from fiberglass and not carbon fiber.

Iranians have been using them to store their missiles and re entry vehicles and you think a country like Pakistan whose strongest defence infrastructure , spending , know how and men goes into the production and protection of strategic arsenal wont know how to make some composite cases??

Missile maintenance is nor that expensive as yall think , Missiles when manufactured have the capabilities to be stored for long times , propellant's have long shelf lives and guidance computers are readily checked for corrections.

We were initially talking about tactical ballistic missiles , which i bet we have in some number , considering the amount of tests we have done with them and how many are deployed.
Pakistan’s conventional missile force (ballistic + cruise combined) is not very large when you break it down by real usable inventory.

Going by older estimates, Pakistan probably has around two brigades each of conventional ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, which works out to roughly 150–250 of each type.
A good chunk of that inventory is old and likely nearing the end of its service life, so not all of it would be expected to be fully operational.

As for cruise missiles, we know Pakistan officially imported more than 150 CM-400AKG missiles according to SIPRI data, so at least part of its conventional strike capability is backed by documented acquisitions.

I doubt the RAAD inventory is any larger than our SCALP stockpile. Even if you include both older batches and missiles currently in service, I'd put the total number of RAADs and CM-400AKG ALBMs with the PAF at around 400 at most.

The bigger issue is that Pakistan simply doesn't have the budget or industrial base to build and sustain missile inventories on the scale that major powers do.

I'd expect Pakistan to start feeling the pinch after a couple of weeks of a high intensity conflict. Missile stocks don't last long and Pakistan doesn't have the money or production capacity to replace them at the pace larger militaries can.

A lot of its capability still depends on foreign suppliers, so replenishing losses quickly wouldn't be easy. That's probably why Pakistan seems more interested in buying advanced systems from China like SMASH and hypersonic rockets rather than trying to build huge missile stockpiles at home.

Fatah-4 is basically part of the broader rocket/missile family and not a completely separate massive new layer. Missiles like Babur form the core of your cruise missile force.

Raad has also had long standing integration issues. JF-17 integration ran into ground clearance and adapter problems which is why Mirage III/V platforms remained the main delivery system. Even with later redesign claims like Raad-2 for JF-17 Block upgrades, there hasn’t been clear evidence of large scale operational use.

Pakistan has barely managed to get past the MRBM stage, and even that track record includes two failures. Your only MIRV capable MRBM from the 2020s is basically an old Chinese space rocket adaptation and it's sitting at a 50% failure rate.

The funny part is that until 2022, Pakistan didn't even have the ecosystem needed for a serious MIRV program. No radars to properly track MIRV warhead profiles, no missile range instrumentation ship and no proven experience with post boost vehicles or putting multiple payloads where they need to go.

The origins of the program aren't exactly a mystery either. Pakistan's ballistic missile capability was built around North Korean Nodong and Chinese M-11 technology. That's why the progress has been slow and why there's still such a big gap between claims and actual capability.

On the ballistic side, Fatah and Hatf families form the main conventional strike layer but again production scale is limited and it is more about maintaining a usable force than building mass.
 
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Pakistan’s conventional missile force (ballistic + cruise combined) is not very large when you break it down by real usable inventory.

Going by older estimates, Pakistan probably has around two brigades each of conventional ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, which works out to roughly 150–250 of each type.
A good chunk of that inventory is old and likely nearing the end of its service life, so not all of it would be expected to be fully operational.

As for cruise missiles, we know Pakistan officially imported more than 150 CM-400AKG missiles according to SIPRI data, so at least part of its conventional strike capability is backed by documented acquisitions.

I doubt the RAAD inventory is any larger than our SCALP stockpile. Even if you include both older batches and missiles currently in service, I'd put the total number of RAADs and CM-400AKG ALBMs with the PAF at around 400 at most.

The bigger issue is that Pakistan simply doesn't have the budget or industrial base to build and sustain missile inventories on the scale that major powers do.

I'd expect Pakistan to start feeling the pinch after a couple of weeks of a high intensity conflict. Missile stocks don't last long and Pakistan doesn't have the money or production capacity to replace them at the pace larger militaries can.

A lot of its capability still depends on foreign suppliers, so replenishing losses quickly wouldn't be easy. That's probably why Pakistan seems more interested in buying advanced systems from China like SMASH and hypersonic rockets rather than trying to build huge missile stockpiles at home.

Fatah-4 is basically part of the broader rocket/missile family and not a completely separate massive new layer. Missiles like Babur form the core of your cruise missile force.

Raad has also had long standing integration issues. JF-17 integration ran into ground clearance and adapter problems which is why Mirage III/V platforms remained the main delivery system. Even with later redesign claims like Raad-2 for JF-17 Block upgrades, there hasn’t been clear evidence of large scale operational use.

Pakistan has barely managed to get past the MRBM stage, and even that track record includes two failures. Your only MIRV capable MRBM from the 2020s is basically an old Chinese space rocket adaptation and it's sitting at a 50% failure rate.

The funny part is that until 2022, Pakistan didn't even have the ecosystem needed for a serious MIRV program. No radars to properly track MIRV warhead profiles, no missile range instrumentation ship and no proven experience with post boost vehicles or putting multiple payloads where they need to go.

The origins of the program aren't exactly a mystery either. Pakistan's ballistic missile capability was built around North Korean Nodong and Chinese M-11 technology. That's why the progress has been slow and why there's still such a big gap between claims and actual capability.

On the ballistic side, Fatah and Hatf families form the main conventional strike layer but again production scale is limited and it is more about maintaining a usable force than building mass.

Pakistan may currently have low numbers of conventional missiles because the missiles were for nuclear delivery.

Now that Pakistan has formed a "rocket force", that inventory will massively increase with local systems.
 
Pakistan’s conventional missile force (ballistic + cruise combined) is not very large when you break it down by real usable inventory.

Going by older estimates, Pakistan probably has around two brigades each of conventional ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, which works out to roughly 150–250 of each type.
A good chunk of that inventory is old and likely nearing the end of its service life, so not all of it would be expected to be fully operational.

As for cruise missiles, we know Pakistan officially imported more than 150 CM-400AKG missiles according to SIPRI data, so at least part of its conventional strike capability is backed by documented acquisitions.

I doubt the RAAD inventory is any larger than our SCALP stockpile. Even if you include both older batches and missiles currently in service, I'd put the total number of RAADs and CM-400AKG ALBMs with the PAF at around 400 at most.

The bigger issue is that Pakistan simply doesn't have the budget or industrial base to build and sustain missile inventories on the scale that major powers do.

I'd expect Pakistan to start feeling the pinch after a couple of weeks of a high intensity conflict. Missile stocks don't last long and Pakistan doesn't have the money or production capacity to replace them at the pace larger militaries can.

A lot of its capability still depends on foreign suppliers, so replenishing losses quickly wouldn't be easy. That's probably why Pakistan seems more interested in buying advanced systems from China like SMASH and hypersonic rockets rather than trying to build huge missile stockpiles at home.

Fatah-4 is basically part of the broader rocket/missile family and not a completely separate massive new layer. Missiles like Babur form the core of your cruise missile force.

Raad has also had long standing integration issues. JF-17 integration ran into ground clearance and adapter problems which is why Mirage III/V platforms remained the main delivery system. Even with later redesign claims like Raad-2 for JF-17 Block upgrades, there hasn’t been clear evidence of large scale operational use.

Pakistan has barely managed to get past the MRBM stage, and even that track record includes two failures. Your only MIRV capable MRBM from the 2020s is basically an old Chinese space rocket adaptation and it's sitting at a 50% failure rate.

The funny part is that until 2022, Pakistan didn't even have the ecosystem needed for a serious MIRV program. No radars to properly track MIRV warhead profiles, no missile range instrumentation ship and no proven experience with post boost vehicles or putting multiple payloads where they need to go.

The origins of the program aren't exactly a mystery either. Pakistan's ballistic missile capability was built around North Korean Nodong and Chinese M-11 technology. That's why the progress has been slow and why there's still such a big gap between claims and actual capability.

On the ballistic side, Fatah and Hatf families form the main conventional strike layer but again production scale is limited and it is more about maintaining a usable force than building mass.
Sasta ganja phookte ho kya?
Did you not understand when I said , babur and raad are nuclear ONLY .And what conventional ballisitc missiles we fielded before sindhoor?
We started induction of conventional missiles after 2018 i think .
Fatah family is the main thing of ARFC , you dont have nay knowledge do you?

Raad has been integrated with the jf17 , We test missiles on mirages the same reason you do on the MKI . PAC knows the ins and outs of the mirage due to the ROSE program.
the only reason it not being totally public on the jeff is probaby that china doesnt want its hands on a nuclear armed jet.

Yar at this point i dont even wanna have a convo with you , hatf family is conventional???Also Babur is NOT most of our inventory.

Yes , we did got chinese and dprk tech , what's wrong with it? Amreekisi did the operation paper clip , you got help from russia in your SSBN and prithvi program , Israelis got ehlp from south korea , cheenis got help from Soviets etc etc. Dont lecture us on "cheeni mall" .
WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK.
 
it's sitting at a 50% failure rate.

i really like to know when ababeel has failed , u just a saw a fairing and started running with the rumor that ababeel failed .
2020s is basically an old Chinese space rocket adaptation
nope drived from shaheen 3 and not a space rocket (whatever that means)
That's probably why Pakistan seems more interested in buying advanced systems from China like SMASH and hypersonic rockets
lmfao both fattah 2 and smash are completely indigenous. nothing like that exsist in chinese arsenals
rather than trying to build huge missile stockpiles at home.
exaclty what we are doing btw
A good chunk of that inventory is old and likely nearing the end of its service life, so not all of it would be expected to be fully operational.
u know US's only ICBM is 50 years old , so by your logic they dont have land based deterrent anymore

or on the other hand you can refurbish and maintain the missiles as long as you want especially if they are the main deterrent you have
 
Missile test loading..........
Leaving classified stuff aside, what's ur opinion what kind of missile is it?
Some new toy?
Windows over bhai, if it's a night time test than that's another thing, it's valid till 8 in the morning,
 
Yr woh ab apko puri case file hi dede? Cant you be a bit more sensible?
It's know thing army itself has admitted that it exists, cut some slack here, had I been throwing off classified stuff, I still have the videos movement of assets that were being moved. I would have uploaded those as well, so when I am asking about something I do it in a limit.
 
It's know thing army itself has admitted that it exists, cut some slack here, had I been throwing off classified stuff, I still have the videos movement of assets that were being moved. I would have uploaded those as well, so when I am asking about something I do it in a limit.
It's not like he is going to tell you anyway so why bother?
 
It's know thing army itself has admitted that it exists, cut some slack here, had I been throwing off classified stuff, I still have the videos movement of assets that were being moved. I would have uploaded those as well, so when I am asking about something I do it in a limit.
Keep asking panzer info bro , im sure it will be factual lol
 

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