Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Pak-Warrior]

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His tweets are given absolute importance in this forum from certain people.

His probably the only person who at one hand is labelled as play boy, yahudi agent and at other hand the Taliban khan. All names given to him by same cult. lol

Some even assume he dictates state's policy from his tiny dark cell.

Even new threads are made based on IK's tweets while putting words in his mouth.

Let's see how many threads will be made on this tweet. OR these people were just doing their evil political point scorings.

 

[Starlord]

This thread is talking about India, Brain drain, and everything else but the PACT lol

 

[r3alist]

China was once in India's shoes and chose to do business with the west to become the world's factory. It wasn't all roses in the beginning.

You share information but you miss substance.

Once again the concept of a definitive choice is difficult for you to understand

Even in the example you cite, China made a clear strategic decision and followed through.

Let's go slowly


Clear decision, and consistent follow through

This was the basis to propel everything we see now



And by the way, they have a much higher average IQ and far more social cohesion

The rules of war warrant proportional response and the threshold of that has been passed.

What does this mean, I don't believe India was even able to explicitly condemn Israel for the attack on Qatar, there's no explicit condemnation of Israel I believe, this sets India apart on a different plane of morality.

 

[r3alist]

why doesn't the anti western faction band together then? Talk is cheap.

They are, it's China and Russia.

China is building its own independent technology stack financial system and recently gold offshore vault

Then there are the trade corridors aligned with Huawei technology infrastructure all separate to the west

you then have a modern military completely separate independent to the west


Russia and Putin unveiled a separate currency just recently



My word, do you watch the news? What more action do you need.


Then we have India, trying to skim off a little bit here a little bit there, neither here nor there and then projecting back to other nations on how little they are doing.

The turtle goes back into its shell.

 

[The SC]

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The answer from KSA and Pakistan:

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It removes worries and negative feelings with refreshing notes of nuclear radiation..
Good morning, like rare plutonium, radiant with positive energy



Counting this wide round of discussions and differing opinions, I can summarize the topic very clearly: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, by virtue of its extended historical experiences and the different regional positions it has faced over the decades, is fully aware of who stands with it in times of need and who fails in times of adversity. Previous experiences and decisive positions have proven that there are countries and parties that stand with the Kingdom sincerely and firmly when it calls for panic and solidarity, and there are others that place distances and narrow calculations above fraternal obligations. There are also those who completely ignore the call, pretending not to listen, and those who trade in words in times of calm but back down with flimsy justifications at the hour of seriousness and the real exam.

And this is mutual:

The Pakistani government to Arabic English: Saudi Arabia has always been by our side whenever we needed support

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[RajaBaja]

Do you seriously think there is no brain drain in Pakistan?

My late father was a teacher. One of his student got the Gold Medal in Space Science from Punjab University in the 1st Space Science batch from PU, but had to divert to computer science due to Job issues. He is now settled in Austria.

One other student was an amazing surgeon. He created many new ground breaking surgical techniques. But he himself told me and my father on a lunch in 2003 that he would have loved to do research work but he couldn't bcz he was not being supported by the govt. Later he went to KSA.

Both examples don't show a brain drain. They show a "story". Why do you, a few here, sing this song? How come India, that has sent it's top cream to USA and other nations, never complain about it? Give me factual reasons. I don't want to waste my time if there is a political song a few of you want to continue to sing.

Are we better than India or China in anything? So if they are gaining by sending their sharpest to USA, UK, etc, what's our issue? We don't even have an industry big enough here to give jobs to all graduates. How can there be a brain drain? My head is now hurting discussing this such basic point! We can't employ even 50% graduates, so per your suggestions they should ALL stay here and not find opportunity overseas? That's a crazy thought. Our neighboring India has been abusing H1B and other visa systems just so their graduates can go overseas and make a better living. When we don't even have proper industry, why are we fabricating this term that can't be applied on our system?

Give me empirical evidence, not stories, where you can quantify that 8 lac people leaving put a dent into our Manufacturing, Medical or Scientific research, etc. If you don't have it, it's obvious, it's just a political noise. It's a brain gain for Pakistan. Not a brain drain. I can give you a dozens of personal experience examples but people here will start getting personal instead of making a scientific argument.


Here's the data. For every 1 position opened, there are 500 to 1000 applicants, including Gold medalists, etc. So there is ABUNDANCE of human resource available in Pakistan, India, China, etc. "Drain" is when the human resource is lacking availability. Not when its in abundance.

You guys keep bringing in "inventions" like this surgeon guy "invented" something. I've yet to see a Pakistani surgeon in Pakistan invent a surgical procedure, but that's a different issue. So let's say this guy invented 1 surgical procedure. He then wen to Patent it. Since the Patent is under his name, if he leaves, he loses the patent and his research. But that's a Patent issue. In his field, surgery, if he leaves, there are still another 500 surgeons ready to replace him.

Immigration of skilled labor to high paying nations is a brain gain as each individual will get opportunities to help people back home that he or she won't get in Pakistan due to it being a poor nation. So it's brain gain if our labor acts like how Indians and Chinese act.

I hope now this issue can rest for good! Thanks

 

[Musings]

Exceptions don't make the rules ... people leave their countries to graze in greener pastures.... it's selfish human nature....98% of the expats were liability not an asset.....

Is it that time of the month? Stop generalising.

 

[Musings]

Stop the insults……

 

[Master Chief]

Really starting to like the defence pact.

BBC's chief hindutva apologist hack Southik "Bakwas" Biswas is going absolutely nuts....

And as usual, the main copium on display from Indian "analysts" that he invites to speak is the tired old economic trope...

"What unsettles Indian analysts the most is the pact's commitment that "any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both".

"Riyadh knew India would construe the Saudi-Pakistan pact as a direct threat to its security, yet it went ahead," Brahma Chellaney, an Indian strategist, posted on X.

"The move reflects not Pakistan's strength - it remains on the brink of bankruptcy - but Saudi Arabia's ambitions", he says. Binding a "chronically dependent" partner, he argues, gives Riyadh both manpower and nuclear "insurance", while demonstrating to India, Washington and others that it will chart its own path.

Former Indian foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal called the pact a "grave misstep" by Saudi Arabia, warning that this could have serious implications for India's national security.

"A politically unstable and economically broken Pakistan as a security provider is a dangerous proposition. Saudi Arabia knows this will be construed in India as a threat to India's security," Mr Sibal posted on X. "Given the tensions between Pakistan and India, this Saudi step is strategically most adventurous."

India's Narendra Modi-led government has been more circumspect, with a foreign ministry spokesman noting that the government will "study its [the pact's] implications for national security and regional and global stability". India also hoped that the strategic partnership between India and Saudi Arabia would "keep in mind mutual interests and sensitivities".

@Meengla

The "checkmate" perspective is also pointed out by South Asia's no.1 lore chronicler, Michael Kugelman.

"Still, by embedding Pakistan in the security architecture of the Middle East, the deal "checkmates India" and leaves its neighbour anchored to three patrons - China, Turkey and now Saudi Arabia, Mr Kugelman said. China and Turkey supplied weapons to Pakistan in its recent conflict with India."

 

[gamaji]

Qatar may be the next member of Pak-Saudi defense agreement.

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[A1Kaid]

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More sources coming in, Saudi rejected Indian meeting invitation at UNGA.


Update: Shebhaz Sharif had bilateral meeting w/Trump at UNGA. In addition, to the broader meeting with Muslim countries and Trump.

 

[Meengla]

@Meengla

The "checkmate" perspective is also pointed out by South Asia's no.1 lore chronicler, Michael Kugelman.

"Still, by embedding Pakistan in the security architecture of the Middle East, the deal "checkmates India" and leaves its neighbour anchored to three patrons - China, Turkey and now Saudi Arabia, Mr Kugelman said. China and Turkey supplied weapons to Pakistan in its recent conflict with India."

And I think the 'checkmate' credit goes to @RajaBaja in this forum.

 

[A1Kaid]

Ishaq Dar met with GCC Chief at UNGA and other Gulf leaders.

 

[Trailer23]

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[RajaBaja]

Really starting to like the defence pact.

BBC's chief hindutva apologist hack Southik "Bakwas" Biswas is going absolutely nuts....

And as usual, the main copium on display from Indian "analysts" that he invites to speak is the tired old economic trope...

"What unsettles Indian analysts the most is the pact's commitment that "any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both".

"Riyadh knew India would construe the Saudi-Pakistan pact as a direct threat to its security, yet it went ahead," Brahma Chellaney, an Indian strategist, posted on X.

"The move reflects not Pakistan's strength - it remains on the brink of bankruptcy - but Saudi Arabia's ambitions", he says. Binding a "chronically dependent" partner, he argues, gives Riyadh both manpower and nuclear "insurance", while demonstrating to India, Washington and others that it will chart its own path.

Former Indian foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal called the pact a "grave misstep" by Saudi Arabia, warning that this could have serious implications for India's national security.

"A politically unstable and economically broken Pakistan as a security provider is a dangerous proposition. Saudi Arabia knows this will be construed in India as a threat to India's security," Mr Sibal posted on X. "Given the tensions between Pakistan and India, this Saudi step is strategically most adventurous."

India's Narendra Modi-led government has been more circumspect, with a foreign ministry spokesman noting that the government will "study its [the pact's] implications for national security and regional and global stability". India also hoped that the strategic partnership between India and Saudi Arabia would "keep in mind mutual interests and sensitivities".

@Meengla

The "checkmate" perspective is also pointed out by South Asia's no.1 lore chronicler, Michael Kugelman.

"Still, by embedding Pakistan in the security architecture of the Middle East, the deal "checkmates India" and leaves its neighbour anchored to three patrons - China, Turkey and now Saudi Arabia, Mr Kugelman said. China and Turkey supplied weapons to Pakistan in its recent conflict with India."

That "Check Mate India", was carefully analyzed and crafted. India's done with being a false big power, imposing itself on others and keeping a myth (like the Brain drain discussion above) that it's a big power and commands world's respect and more than anything to "pamper" it's people as "special".

It's standing alone in the world with possibly significant more damage to its interests if it plays a little rogue here. Analysts are saying "Trump has tactically nuked India with H1B fees", there are nearly 9-10 million Indians both legal and illegal in the USA. Then a 9 million number in Saudi+Qatar where India has become unpopular rapidly, a national security interest.

Modi government has already sent an off the record message to Saudia and Pakistan that they don't have an issue with the pact. But they hope their labor and investment related commitments will be honored by KSA. So, it is now forced to cool it off with Pakistan soon.