Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Fatman17]

Rumours running high

 

[Fatman17]

The little I know (it's still not confirmed officially) is that Saudia may be very interested in keeping a large contingent of Pakistani military there including our own weapon systems as well as investing into the Pakistani defense sector. They told me that Saudia has realized a parallel force needs to be in place. Eventually they want to forge defense ties between Turkey-Pakistan-Saudia.

You can now imagine what that means logistically as Turkey is working on KAAN, ANKA, Kizilelma and Pakistan is working on getting the J-35 as well as wanting to turn PFX into a single engine stealth platform if funding can be sought. Win win for all.

Right ️ after spending over 100B USD on American weapons.

 

[RajaBaja]

Right ️ after spending over 100B USD on American weapons.

I think the realization has started that it's fine to waste (invest) 100 billion on Western older weapons, but it's also needed to invest $ 25-30 billion into Turkish and Pakistani defense industries.

If these geniuses can invest just $ 25 billion each into Turkish and Pakistani defense industries, you could have 2 5th generation stealth jets in the next 5 years made by these these two nations and more. Let's see.

 

[Michael]

What are your thoughts about a mutual defense deal between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia? Or Pakistan-Turkey-Saudi Arabia? What will be the impact on Pakistan's military and advance weapon build or acquisition?

You're really too much of a fantasist. You're always making wild guesses and daydreams that have no practical significance. However, you're so active in PDF that I can't bear to criticize you.

1、Did you know that there is a fundamental conflict between Saudi Arabia and Türkiye? The conflict between them is far greater than the conflict between China and Türkiye.

2. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia: A military alliance? Who helps whom? Pakistan itself is in a precarious state. To whom can it provide military protection?

Guys. Take a break.

 

[RajaBaja]

You're really too much of a fantasist. You're always making wild guesses and daydreams that have no practical significance. However, you're so active in PDF that I can't bear to criticize you.

1、Did you know that there is a fundamental conflict between Saudi Arabia and Türkiye? The conflict between them is far greater than the conflict between China and Türkiye.

2. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia: A military alliance? Who helps whom? Pakistan itself is in a precarious state. To whom can it provide military protection?

Guys. Take a break.

Michael - Per your posts in the past 36 hours:
1) Pakistan will be self destructed if it acquired more conventional weapons from China!
2)We (Pakistanis) don't know if we'll eat a second meal and yet, we want Rolls Royce!
3) Just now on another thread you told someone that Pakistan doesn't have the infrastructure to get DF-17 and to use it!

I like your other analysis and I always include you into my posts. There are people I don't care to include. But you need to mellow down a little and come to reality. You are talking about a country not a toy shop.

We are the 5th largest population in the world and sooner or later, we'll grow. There IS NO reason why we can't beat a much smaller population than us called South Korea. They grew on our economic plans that we gave them! I am sure you didn't know this.

Now to answer ALL your posts given above:

Pakistan is a nuclear nation, we have a bad economy and it's getting fixed. In two years, we'll be getting additional billions in revenue for our Gold and Mineral sales. Things will be different very soon.

If we can manage and secure nukes for 27 years, a massive nuke arsenal, we can ALSO buy conventional weapons. There is no such thing as "self destruction" or "not knowing if we'll eat a second meal".

- DF-17's are missiles like the rest of other missiles. They are setup on a TEL. We provide target coordinates to the missile and fuel and it's internal processing chipset does the rest upon launch. We don't need "space ships" to launch it like you claimed "Pakistan doesn't have the capability to launch DF-17" on that other thread.

- We've helped Saudia before. In Gulf War, we told the world if Mecca and Medina are attacked, they will be defended directly by the Pakistani army and we deployed a sizable force there. That can happen again. We already train Arab forces in certain areas..

- Saudi - Turkey conflict? Yea, old news! Saudia has committed to buy near 100 KAAN jets and have become the largest buyers and soon to be manufacturer of one of Turkish HALE UAC systems.

Saudia if use wisdom for its own benefits, can help stand two defense industries, Turkey and Pakistan, both will benefit it. And REMEMBER my post from that day. PFX will definitely have a 5th gen component!

 

[Yasser76]

You're really too much of a fantasist. You're always making wild guesses and daydreams that have no practical significance. However, you're so active in PDF that I can't bear to criticize you.

1、Did you know that there is a fundamental conflict between Saudi Arabia and Türkiye? The conflict between them is far greater than the conflict between China and Türkiye.

2. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia: A military alliance? Who helps whom? Pakistan itself is in a precarious state. To whom can it provide military protection?

Guys. Take a break.

There is a lot Pakistan can provide, you are a very knowledgable and informative poster usually, do not show ignorence on this matter. Many people respect yours views and learn from you when it comes to China, maybe you can do the same when it comes to Pakistan- Saudia....

 

[Fatman17]

I think the realization has started that it's fine to waste (invest) 100 billion on Western older weapons, but it's also needed to invest $ 25-30 billion into Turkish and Pakistani defense industries.

If these geniuses can invest just $ 25 billion each into Turkish and Pakistani defense industries, you could have 2 5th generation stealth jets in the next 5 years made by these these two nations and more. Let's see.

Good to dream

 

[arsalan345]

Saudis are looking nervous not because of gaza or muslim brotherhood but because of their own country. i still feel that arabs aren't serious and this is just a drama etc. Action can only happen if they give their airbases to pakistan but they don't want to make united states angry. United states is not there to protect arabs but to protect israel. Some arab leaders realized it like egypt which is sure that it's next after qatar . Turkey is aware of dangerous situation but both turkey and pak can't do anything until arabs take a stand againt israel.

Arabs don't want to invest in pakistan or turkey. all they want is to protect their wealth. this is just drama etc.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

nothing will materialize

sad state of affairs!

we can only offer 'unsolicited' help!

 

[Yasser76]

nothing will materialize

sad state of affairs!

we can only offer 'unsolicited' help!

Not so sure, there are three major things Pakistan has and that Israel has that Saudis do not

1) Large pool of trained manpower and pilots
2) Reliable medium range ballistic missiles
3) Nuclear weapons
4) Proven combat experiance

All of the above are not small things by any measure....

 

[maxpane]

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isnt it the first time in history of Pakistan?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Not so sure, there are three major things Pakistan has and that Israel has that Saudis do not

1) Large pool of trained manpower and pilots
2) Reliable medium range ballistic missiles
3) Nuclear weapons
4) Proven combat experiance

All of the above are not small things by any measure....

Epstein connections too, from their side!

good faith cannot/must not let go dual realities!

we can offer help though, we should!

 

[Michael]

Michael - Per your posts in the past 36 hours:
1) Pakistan will be self destructed if it acquired more conventional weapons from China!
2)We (Pakistanis) don't know if we'll eat a second meal and yet, we want Rolls Royce!
3) Just now on another thread you told someone that Pakistan doesn't have the infrastructure to get DF-17 and to use it!

I like your other analysis and I always include you into my posts. There are people I don't care to include. But you need to mellow down a little and come to reality. You are talking about a country not a toy shop.

We are the 5th largest population in the world and sooner or later, we'll grow. There IS NO reason why we can't beat a much smaller population than us called South Korea. They grew on our economic plans that we gave them! I am sure you didn't know this.

Now to answer ALL your posts given above:

Pakistan is a nuclear nation, we have a bad economy and it's getting fixed. In two years, we'll be getting additional billions in revenue for our Gold and Mineral sales. Things will be different very soon.

If we can manage and secure nukes for 27 years, a massive nuke arsenal, we can ALSO buy conventional weapons. There is no such thing as "self destruction" or "not knowing if we'll eat a second meal".

- DF-17's are missiles like the rest of other missiles. They are setup on a TEL. We provide target coordinates to the missile and fuel and it's internal processing chipset does the rest upon launch. We don't need "space ships" to launch it like you claimed "Pakistan doesn't have the capability to launch DF-17" on that other thread.

- We've helped Saudia before. In Gulf War, we told the world if Mecca and Medina are attacked, they will be defended directly by the Pakistani army and we deployed a sizable force there. That can happen again. We already train Arab forces in certain areas..

- Saudi - Turkey conflict? Yea, old news! Saudia has committed to buy near 100 KAAN jets and have become the largest buyers and soon to be manufacturer of one of Turkish HALE UAC systems.

Saudia if use wisdom for its own benefits, can help stand two defense industries, Turkey and Pakistan, both will benefit it. And REMEMBER my post from that day. PFX will definitely have a 5th gen component!

This is the biggest difference between Chinese and Pakistani culture.

Chinese people generally dislike using future tense words like "maybe," "will," and "soon."
When making future plans, we tend to consider all possible scenarios for failure and develop contingency plans. In other words, we tend to think in terms of the worst-case scenario, not the best-case scenario.
Once we finalize a plan and begin executing it, we strive to achieve it at all costs. Our greatest wish is that all backup measures remain in place.
When a plan is delayed or fails, we typically immediately identify the cause and take immediate action to remedy the situation, or learn from the experience and lessons learned to prepare for the next plan. We don't immediately try to shirk responsibility or find excuses for the failure.

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You can recheck your text. It's filled with future tense words like "will," "maybe," and "if," as well as uncertainty.
As for other details, I will not go into them here.

maybe you can do the same when it comes to Pakistan- Saudia....

I mean no harm. If this makes you feel bad, then it must be a mistake in the translation software......LOL

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are both major clients of China's arms trade. In China, customers are our bread and butter.

 

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Probably piloted by Pakistani pilots

 

[Meengla]

There is a lot Pakistan can provide, you are a very knowledgable and informative poster usually, do not show ignorence on this matter. Many people respect yours views and learn from you when it comes to China, maybe you can do the same when it comes to Pakistan- Saudia....

Right.
Just because Pakistan's economy is in dire straits, doesn't mean its nearly 8 decades of investments in defense is bad. As to this thread, of course Pakistan is going to capitalize on the May 2025 conflicts with India and you can see how busy Pakistan has been since then on the diplomatic front. If Pakistan's past diplomatic moves were that ineffective then you wouldn't see the kind of support Pakistan got during the May 2025 conflict with India and the support came from multiple countries while the mighty India was isolated. The Arab countries respect Pakistan more than ever since the May 2025 conflict and Pakistan is capitalizing on that.

But then, nothing good can ever happen in Pakistan until the Messiah Khan is in power again; too bad his persistent, loud, aggressive online supporters have managed to poison the uninformed ears of non-Pakistanis in the blogspace, including in this forum.