Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[_Arabia_]

He commands that a journalist who said some words he did not like, be chopped up - ie a psycho -

Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi - Wikipedia

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That is according to the same Western media that claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and 1000's of other well-known lies. There is no evidence of this and it makes no sense because KSA and MBS has not prior to and afterwards targeted any Saudi Arabian dissidents and there are 100's of them in the West alone. Some like Al-Jabri stole billions from the state under King Abdullah and are living in places like Canada acting all innocent and saying what a bad guy that MBS is for fighting corruption.

Once upon a time in the early 1990's, when OBL was stripped of his Saudi Arabian citizenship (1994), the same West called him a freedom fighter (his father was a Yemeni and his mother a Syrian Nusayri from Tartus - she is still alive I believe) as well while KSA warned that he was a lose canon. Rest is history.

MbS threatens the usual power circles in the West because he is not some meek puppet. He has worked tiredly for the interests of KSA and to improve the country - mostly with great success within a short span of years (7-8) which every data confirms. He has committed mistakes like any leader as well but overall he has transformed KSA completely for the better and when he emerged he was seen as a threat to the establishment.

The West, ideally, would have preferred a passive KSA that never really developed like nowadays and which stood still. Much easier to control this way. In many ways he is where Erdogan was initially. He too has been targeted by the West for years and also committed many mistakes like any leader but overall he has been a net benefit for Turkiye. Same story with MbS.

And the irony is that most Iranians would love to have a leader like MbS instead of old 70-80 year old backward Mullah's.

Dude he is a straight up racist, people from pdf 1.0 recognise him for going about the superiority and beauty of Arabs over Pakistanis and Iranians ( so just a normal Saudi ). Don’t argue just ignore like I have

If you believe the stupid Iranian Mullah regime supporters and their unsubstantiated nonsense. I never once in my life discussed the looks of any race on any forum but yes indeed Arabs are well-known for our looks and Arabian beauty is historical in particular our women. This is hardly news.

You know why they make up false nonsense claims about me? Because I can deal with 100 of them at once and put them in their place with arguments that they have no ability to counter. Just 1 Arab user. That frustrates them so they end up making 100's of false claims about me. Sadly moderators and everyone else that knows me will confirm their nonsense. Nice try, I don't care, you can invent all you want to.

 

[Starlord]

I stopped reading your usual Arab obsessed nonsense when you began on the Taliban, AQ and ISIS nonsense and imaginary Wahhabism. Next you will blame KSA for being the land that Islam was birthed in and all its main sects whether Sunni, Shia or Sufi (the historical truth) - all sects found natively within KSA to this day.

Yes, you keep blabbering about 1 example, Khashoggi, who was likely a CIA asset (go read about certain past members of his family and their role in the region) and mole, in a operation that went rogue and was unprecedented prior to and afterwards. In fact in the entire history of KSA. The leadership never actively haunted down dissidents. Unlike the Iranian regime that has killed numerous dissidents abroad since 1979 but that does not receive 1% of the publicity - simply because anything that is remotely related to KSA sells and is talked about 100 times more. Just look at this forum - almost half of the posts are about KSA from many of the usual suspects.

You stop reading because it hurt your feelings, further prove of your mental immaturity, and it really give me a good chuckle when you say imaginary "Wahabism" lol go ask any country and its people who suffered because of that extremists ideology they will tell you how real it is, and lets not forget that same mentality which give us the worse Terrorists Attack in world's history aka 9/11 which include a bunch of your beloved Saudi's.

I mean its funny how you brag about KSA being the birth place of Islam, within the Islamic nature there are no concepts of border States, its idiots like you have tried to give Islam which is a universal religion a more ethnic color, yeah Arabs were in forefronts its because Allah choses a Arab as Final Messenger, just like Allah choses many Jews as prophets. But complicated topics like this will probably go over your head as you go sleep believing that MBS fighting Dajjal and Thanos every night.

Welcome to the Pakistani forum, we do call out people for who and what they are, without getting chopped up in a consulate or embassy, you guys feel hurt when KSA and other Arabs are called out, but jump like monkey's over the Destruction of entire cities in Iran where hundreds if not thousands innocents civilians might be dying or suffering, so come of your high Camel and welcome to the real world.

 

[Starlord]

Dude he is a straight up racist, people from pdf 1.0 recognise him for going about the superiority and beauty of Arabs over Pakistanis and Iranians ( so just a normal Saudi ). Don’t argue just ignore like I have

He is most likely a 16 year old kid, who believe everything his father/grandfather told him about the Great KSA, people like that are strange to concepts like Self-accountability. His reaction over the War in Iran shows his maturity level, now most of us at some point have called out Iran over their own duplicity but him believing that KSA is innocent is as believable as Mia Khalifa is Virgin.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Arab as Final Messenger,

see this what i was tlaking about always bragging about islam coming from arabs like arabs own it or something.

as my mother always says god choose arabs becasue he knew what kind of people they are and that they needed the final prophet to make them believe unlike the rest of us

16 year

i dont think thats the case which is really unfortunate and sad

 

[_Arabia_]

You stop reading because it hurt your feelings, further prove of your mental immaturity, and it really give me a good chuckle when you say imaginary "Wahabism" lol go ask any country and its people who suffered because of that extremists ideology they will tell you how real it is, and lets not forget that same mentality which give us the worse Terrorists Attack in world's history aka 9/11 which include a bunch of your beloved Saudi's.

I mean its funny how you brag about KSA being the birth place of Islam, within the Islamic nature there are no concepts of border States, its idiots like you have tried to give Islam which is a universal religion a more ethnic color, yeah Arabs were in forefronts its because Allah choses a Arab as Final Messenger, just like Allah choses many Jews as prophets. But complicated topics like this will probably go over your head as you go sleep believing that MBS fighting Dajjal and Thanos every night.

Welcome to the Pakistani forum, we do call out people for who and what they are, without getting chopped up in a consulate or embassy, you guys feel hurt when KSA and other Arabs are called out, but jump like monkey's over the Destruction of entire cities in Iran where hundreds if not thousands innocents civilians might be dying or suffering, so come of your high Camel and welcome to the real world.

No, Wahhabism was a socio-political movement that emerged in the early 18th century in what is today Najd. It is not a separate sect. Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab (ra) was a reformer and Hanbali cleric (1 of the 4 traditional Sunni madahib). He was also a Sufi who praised sufism in his work and never supported or endorsed the nonsense that has been attributed to him later.

He is most famous for being against shirk and worship of graves and other non-Islamic practices that have no root or trace in the Qur'an or the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws).

Later he allied with one of the early Al-Saud leaders to form a socio-political alliance that later helped unify much of Arabia.

Anyone who has ever lived in KSA will testify that Hanbalism (your imaginary Wahhabism) never endorsed terrorism let alone had any connection to Taliban (an Afghan Pashtun phenomenon with no ties to KSA whatsoever), AQ (which hated KSA and the same imaginary Wahhabism) and same with Daesh. Those deviant people were Qutbists and inspired by other socio-political religious movements. There is zero evidence of any support for AQ and ISIS (main enemies of KSA and those two groups were more obsessed about KSA - sounds familiar - than any other country).

I am well versed in Islam and Islamic history, probably more than vast majority here if I should make a humble guess, so I am not going to waste my time with such nonsense claims.

And it is not even me, there have been several non-Muslim Western scholars who have totally dismantled such claims and similar ones.

The Wahhabi Myth

Darussalam: A Global Leader in Islamic Books

darussalam.com

And your imaginary "Wahhabis" (Hanballs) are a clear demographical minority within KSA making up less than 25% of Muslims in KSA with the majority being Sunni Shafi'i's, Malikis, Hanafis, Sufis, Twelvers, Zaydis, Ismailis etc. Most importantly, another attribute of MbS, the most hardline Hanbali scholars have been sidelined and in my eyes past clerical mistakes and rulings within KSA, have long ago been removed for the betterment of the country and people. So even in this regard MbS deserves praise. All done largely peacefully and I still remember numerous trolls claiming that MbS reforms from almost 10 years ago would cause a civil war in KSA. We all saw how ridiculous the claims of the usual suspects were. Not that I am surprised.

And yes, OBL (the same guy that KSA stripped of his citizenship back in 1994 as I wrote) deliberately used 10-15 brainwashed Saudi Arabian nationals (many also of fellow Yemeni origins) to deliberately try to wedge a war/conflict with the US. This failed spectacularly. Blaming this on KSA (country) also failed and to this date the world's most powerful country (USA) has failed to provide any evidence of that as well. Just like Egypt and Lebanon are not to blame either for the attack due to nationals taking part in it.

Or Pakistan for the attacks Pakistani nationals or Pakistani origin people have conducted in the West. For instance the London bombers back in 2005 or when it occurred.

But even in this regard - anti-US/Western Saudi Arabians did more harm to the US superpower than the anti-US/West Mullah regime in Iran have been able to do in almost 50 years.

He is most likely a 16 year old kid, who believe everything his father/grandfather told him about the Great KSA, people like that are strange to concepts like Self-accountability. His reaction over the War in Iran shows his maturity level, now most of us at some point have called out Iran over their own duplicity but him believing that KSA is innocent is as believable as Mia Khalifa is Virgin.

You are a troll. I never claimed that KSA has not committed any mistakes (what a ridiculous claim to make). In this very conservation I have written several times that MbS has committed mistakes like any other leader but that he has done far more good for KSA and the people than the opposite. You are completely clueless about KSA so I don't take what you write of nonsense seriously. Firstly you are ignorant as I wrote. Secondly you are likely not able to speak Arabic - thus you have a severely limited exposure to Saudi Arabian popular opinion, media, Arab media etc. and judging you by your user history alone you have a severe obsession and bias towards Arabs, KSA in particular, that you blame, ridiculously, all the faults of the Muslim world on. I am ending it here as I am wasting my time.

And as usual, you are the one that keeps writing personal remarks constantly - not me. While I easily could make you crawl back to the moderators very quickly but I have refrained from that during our past many "discussions" while you keep writing nonsense personal remarks. I suggest you go take a look at yourself in the mirror. Same with your lies about what I have claimed while my very own posts in this thread proof you easily wrong for all to see.

 

[Starlord]

see this what i was tlaking about always bragging about islam coming from arabs like arabs own it or something.

as my mother always says god choose arabs becasue he knew what kind of people they are and that they needed the final prophet to make them believe unlike the rest of us

i dont think thats the case which is really unfortunate and sad

Yeah, they only take ownership of Islam and Rasool Allah and feel pride over his Arab background, something he would've never done so because for him all mankind are equal, a Black sub Saharan or a fair skinned Roman or Arab or people from Hind, hence he was great and his people (present Day) Arab are bunch of Weirdo's.
Remember the Story of Mosa AS, and how he was let down by the chosen people, Arabs is doing the same with Muhammad SAW, they love to own his legacy while doing everything that he has said not to and outright despised.

 

[Master Chief]

That is according to the same Western media that claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and 1000's of other well-known lies. There is no evidence of this and it makes no sense because KSA and MBS has not prior to and afterwards targeted any Saudi Arabian dissidents and there are 100's of them in the West alone. Some like Al-Jabri stole billions from the state under King Abdullah and are living in places like Canada acting all innocent and saying what a bad guy that MBS is for fighting corruption.

Once upon a time in the early 1990's, when OBL was stripped of his Saudi Arabian citizenship (1994), the same West called him a freedom fighter (his father was a Yemeni and his mother a Syrian Nusayri from Tartus - she is still alive I believe) as well while KSA warned that he was a lose canon. Rest is history.

MbS threatens the usual power circles in the West because he is not some meek puppet. He has worked tiredly for the interests of KSA and to improve the country - mostly with great success within a short span of years (7-8) which every data confirms. He has committed mistakes like any leader as well but overall he has transformed KSA completely for the better and when he emerged he was seen as a threat to the establishment.

The West, ideally, would have preferred a passive KSA that never really developed like nowadays and which stood still. Much easier to control this way. In many ways he is where Erdogan was initially. He too has been targeted by the West for years and also committed many mistakes like any leader but overall he has been a net benefit for Turkiye. Same story with MbS.

And the irony is that most Iranians would love to have a leader like MbS instead of old 70-80 year old backward Mullah's.


If you believe the stupid Iranian Mullah regime supporters and their unsubstantiated nonsense. I never once in my life discussed the looks of any race on any forum but yes indeed Arabs are well-known for our looks and Arabian beauty is historical in particular our women. This is hardly news.

You know why they make up false nonsense claims about me? Because I can deal with 100 of them at once and put them in their place with arguments that they have no ability to counter. Just 1 Arab user. That frustrates them so they end up making 100's of false claims about me. Sadly moderators and everyone else that knows me will confirm their nonsense. Nice try, I don't care, you can invent all you want to.

All these rare and exquisite gifts that have been bestowed upon you and your illustrious people!

From what I can gather just here, guile, cunning, endurance, and aesthetic supremacy to boot!

Indeed we are a blessed forum that you should grace us with these endowments. I dare say, we are perhaps not worthy to bask in such perpetual gravitas.

And yet, here we all are, waiting for the moment when perchance these traits will manifest as divine countenance upon all our peoples and deliver us to victory against all who would dare challenge us.

Will you be personally leading us all to our long awaited redemption, good sir?

 

[Starlord]

No, Wahhabism was a socio-political movement that emerged in the early 18th century in what is today Najd. It is not a separate sect. Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab (ra) was a reformer and Hanbali cleric (1 of the 4 traditional Sunni madahib). He was also a Sufi who praised sufism in his work and never supported or endorsed the nonsense that has been attributed to him later.

He is most famous for being against shirk and worship of graves and other non-Islamic practices that have no root or trace in the Qur'an or the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws).

Later he allied with one of the early Al-Saud leaders to form a socio-political alliance that later helped unify much of Arabia.

Anyone who has ever lived in KSA will testify that Hanbalism (your imaginary Wahhabism) never endorsed terrorism let alone had any connection to Taliban (an Afghan Pashtun phenomenon with no ties to KSA whatsoever), AQ (which hated KSA and the same imaginary Wahhabism) and same with Daesh. Those deviant people were Qutbists and inspired by other socio-political religious movements. There is zero evidence of any support for AQ and ISIS (main enemies of KSA and those two groups were more obsessed about KSA - sounds familiar - than any other country).

I am well versed in Islam and Islamic history, probably more than vast majority here if I should make a humble guess, so I am not going to waste my time with such nonsense claims.

And it is not even me, there have been several non-Muslim Western scholars who have totally dismantled such claims and similar ones.

The Wahhabi Myth

Darussalam: A Global Leader in Islamic Books

darussalam.com

And your imaginary "Wahhabis" (Hanballs) are a clear demographical minority within KSA making up less than 25% of Muslims in KSA with the majority being Sunni Shafi'i's, Malikis, Hanafis, Sufis, Twelvers, Zaydis, Ismailis etc. Most importantly, another attribute of MbS, the most hardline Hanbali scholars have been sidelined and in my eyes past clerical mistakes and rulings within KSA, have long ago been removed for the betterment of the country and people. So even in this regard MbS deserves praise. All done largely peacefully and I still remember numerous trolls claiming that MbS reforms from almost 10 years ago would cause a civil war in KSA. We all saw how ridiculous the claims of the usual suspects were. Not that I am surprised.

And yes, OBL (the same guy that KSA stripped of his citizenship back in 1994 as I wrote) deliberately used 10-15 brainwashed Saudi Arabian nationals (many also of fellow Yemeni origins) to deliberately try to wedge a war/conflict with the US. This failed spectacularly. Blaming this on KSA (country) also failed and to this date the world's most powerful country (USA) has failed to provide any evidence of that as well. Just like Egypt and Lebanon are not to blame either for the attack due to nationals taking part in it.

Or Pakistan for the attacks Pakistani nationals or Pakistani origin people have conducted in the West. For instance the London bombers back in 2005 or when it occurred.

But even in this regard - anti-US/Western Saudi Arabians did more harm to the US superpower than the anti-US/West Mullah regime in Iran have been able to do in almost 50 years.


You are a troll. I never claimed that KSA has not committed any mistakes (what a ridiculous claim to make). In this very conservation I have written several times that MbS has committed mistakes like any other leader but that he has done far more good for KSA and the people than the opposite. You are completely clueless about KSA so I don't take what you write of nonsense seriously. Firstly you are ignorant as I wrote. Secondly you are likely not able to speak Arabic - thus you have a severely limited exposure to Saudi Arabian popular opinion, media, Arab media etc. and judging you by your user history alone you have a severe obsession and bias towards Arabs, KSA in particular, that you blame, ridiculously, all the faults of the Muslim world on. I am ending it here as I am wasting my time.

And as usual, you are the one that keeps writing personal remarks constantly - not me. While I easily could make you crawl back to the moderators very quickly but I have refrained from that during our past many "discussions" while you keep writing nonsense personal remarks. I suggest you go take a look at yourself in the mirror. Same with your lies about what I have claimed while my very own posts in this thread proof you easily wrong for all to see.

Move on kid, talking to kids like you is as useless as trying to put some sense into bhartis.

 

[Oscar]

No, Wahhabism was a socio-political movement that emerged in the early 18th century in what is today Najd. It is not a separate sect. Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab (ra) was a reformer and Hanbali cleric (1 of the 4 traditional Sunni madahib). He was also a Sufi who praised sufism in his work and never supported or endorsed the nonsense that has been attributed to him later.

He is most famous for being against shirk and worship of graves and other non-Islamic practices that have no root or trace in the Qur'an or the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws).

Later he allied with one of the early Al-Saud leaders to form a socio-political alliance that later helped unify much of Arabia.

Anyone who has ever lived in KSA will testify that Hanbalism (your imaginary Wahhabism) never endorsed terrorism let alone had any connection to Taliban (an Afghan Pashtun phenomenon with no ties to KSA whatsoever), AQ (which hated KSA and the same imaginary Wahhabism) and same with Daesh. Those deviant people were Qutbists and inspired by other socio-political religious movements. There is zero evidence of any support for AQ and ISIS (main enemies of KSA and those two groups were more obsessed about KSA - sounds familiar - than any other country).

I am well versed in Islam and Islamic history, probably more than vast majority here if I should make a humble guess, so I am not going to waste my time with such nonsense claims.

And it is not even me, there have been several non-Muslim Western scholars who have totally dismantled such claims and similar ones.

The Wahhabi Myth

Darussalam: A Global Leader in Islamic Books

darussalam.com

And your imaginary "Wahhabis" (Hanballs) are a clear demographical minority within KSA making up less than 25% of Muslims in KSA with the majority being Sunni Shafi'i's, Malikis, Hanafis, Sufis, Twelvers, Zaydis, Ismailis etc. Most importantly, another attribute of MbS, the most hardline Hanbali scholars have been sidelined and in my eyes past clerical mistakes and rulings within KSA, have long ago been removed for the betterment of the country and people. So even in this regard MbS deserves praise. All done largely peacefully and I still remember numerous trolls claiming that MbS reforms from almost 10 years ago would cause a civil war in KSA. We all saw how ridiculous the claims of the usual suspects were. Not that I am surprised.

And yes, OBL (the same guy that KSA stripped of his citizenship back in 1994 as I wrote) deliberately used 10-15 brainwashed Saudi Arabian nationals (many also of fellow Yemeni origins) to deliberately try to wedge a war/conflict with the US. This failed spectacularly. Blaming this on KSA (country) also failed and to this date the world's most powerful country (USA) has failed to provide any evidence of that as well. Just like Egypt and Lebanon are not to blame either for the attack due to nationals taking part in it.

Or Pakistan for the attacks Pakistani nationals or Pakistani origin people have conducted in the West. For instance the London bombers back in 2005 or when it occurred.

But even in this regard - anti-US/Western Saudi Arabians did more harm to the US superpower than the anti-US/West Mullah regime in Iran have been able to do in almost 50 years.


You are a troll. I never claimed that KSA has not committed any mistakes (what a ridiculous claim to make). In this very conservation I have written several times that MbS has committed mistakes like any other leader but that he has done far more good for KSA and the people than the opposite. You are completely clueless about KSA so I don't take what you write of nonsense seriously. Firstly you are ignorant as I wrote. Secondly you are likely not able to speak Arabic - thus you have a severely limited exposure to Saudi Arabian popular opinion, media, Arab media etc. and judging you by your user history alone you have a severe obsession and bias towards Arabs, KSA in particular, that you blame, ridiculously, all the faults of the Muslim world on. I am ending it here as I am wasting my time.

And as usual, you are the one that keeps writing personal remarks constantly - not me. While I easily could make you crawl back to the moderators very quickly but I have refrained from that during our past many "discussions" while you keep writing nonsense personal remarks. I suggest you go take a look at yourself in the mirror. Same with your lies about what I have claimed while my very own posts in this thread proof you easily wrong for all to see.

I have to agree that other than certain circles within clergy or some “elders” within the extended royal family no one really mentions Abdul Wahab(Ive been to his “house” as well in terms of driving down that lane near Diriyah) and it’s not some revered place like Khomenei’s tomb.

Frankly most Saudis will immediately just say they follow Imam Hanbal and that’s it. That being said there were Saudi and more GCC connections to the Taliban but more so from individual sponsorship levels that tie more to the nature of the Saudi state “ruling class” structure rather than actual state level intelligence efforts or otherwise.

Your earlier claims on loss of life are however understated in terms of actual damage and considering the pictures I saw of Riyadh airport with zero arrivals and lines upon lines of western folks departing there was definite impact with many quitting as well.

That also however is characteristic of them as in my first stint in Riyadh when they bombed Al Hambra compound in 2003 where my home was we had westerners crying and saying they will never come back while us(Pakistans, other Arabs and Saudis) who lived there as well EVEN WITH LOSS of life were perfectly fine with saying it’s part of life and were ok to rebuild and go on.

Which also means there will be some good vacant posts in certain organizations in Saudis soon which smarter people from Pakistan or BD should apply for which frankly many of these western charlatans were milking Saudis for without actually getting any work done.

 

[_Arabia_]

I have to agree that other than certain circles within clergy or some “elders” within the extended royal family no one really mentions Abdul Wahab(Ive been to his “house” as well in terms of driving down that lane near Diriyah) and it’s not some revered place like Khomenei’s tomb.

Frankly most Saudis will immediately just say they follow Imam Hanbal and that’s it. That being said there were Saudi and more GCC connections to the Taliban but more so from individual sponsorship levels that tie more to the nature of the Saudi state “ruling class” structure rather than actual state level intelligence efforts or otherwise.

Your earlier claims on loss of life are however understated in terms of actual damage and considering the pictures I saw of Riyadh airport with zero arrivals and lines upon lines of western folks departing there was definite impact with many quitting as well.

That also however is characteristic of them as in my first stint in Riyadh when they bombed Al Hambra compound in 2003 where my home was we had westerners crying and saying they will never come back while us(Pakistans, other Arabs and Saudis) who lived there as well EVEN WITH LOSS of life were perfectly fine with saying it’s part of life and were ok to rebuild and go on.

Which also means there will be some good vacant posts in certain organizations in Saudis soon which smarter people from Pakistan or BD should apply for which frankly many of these western charlatans were milking Saudis for without actually getting any work done.

Najd has been a Hanbali stronghold for a very long time. Ironically prior to this there were many local Shia (Zaydi, Twelver) Arab dynasties.

Banu Ukhaidhir - Wikipedia

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Jabrids - Wikipedia

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Jarwanid dynasty - Wikipedia

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Usfurids - Wikipedia

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Uyunid Emirate - Wikipedia

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No, there is no worship of any individuals in KSA. The Saudi Arabian kings are buried in almost unmarked graves alongside ordinary people. In this aspect there is no difference. While they could have constructed the greatest tombs for them in the world if the state wanted and people supported such practices.



People regardless of sect in KSA (outside of the Twelvers) have an animosity towards turning people, in particular dead ones, into objects of worship. In Iran they build giant mausoleums and mosques on tomb of dead people (Khomeini for instance) and numerous completely anti-Islamic practices emerges as a consequence. I think this animosity within KSA is a legacy of "Wahhabism" and its socio-political impact.

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You are right there were wealthy individuals within KSA (like in every Muslim state) that sponsored various Muslim causes and groups from Afghanistan to Chechnya to Palestine to Iraq etc. Many of it was legitimate. Some was ill intended or misused by the recipients. Later the state cracked down such money flaws quite effectively. Actually prior to the Arab Spring.

Personally I remember as a small kid donating alongside family to our Chechen brothers and their struggle. I don't for 1 second consider it as support for terrorism.

Support for what later became Taliban was mostly support for Afghan Muslims in their legitimate fight against the USSR invader. 100's if not 1000's of Saudi Arabian volunteers also fought alongside Chechens back in the 1990's. To me those people are largely heroes and martyrs. They never targeted civilians but only fought the Russian invaders. From Bosnia to Afghanistan to the Arab world. I think KSA had the largest number of volunteers in the world compared to population.

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Nowadays for instance KSA has barely any ties with the current Taliban other than 1 faction - much like Pakistan. Which is ironic as KSA, Pakistan and UAE were the only countries to officially recognize them back in the 1990's. However from what I have seen many of their practices and rulings are anti-Islamic but on the other hand I do not live in Afghanistan so only commenting from the outside.

Sure, some Western expats have left (vast majority have stayed though) but this is natural when there are great regional tensions.

Yes, we have a different concept of death that may Westerners do not understand and locals and Arabs in general have been exposed to conflict/terrorism (in KSA luckily this chapter is a thing of the past) so we take it more "easy". Not to mention that people are not scared of course. It is normal human behavior to be.

I do not know about that, I guess it depends on the sector, place in KSA, company, public, private etc. There are no doubt a few free riders, local, Western, non-Western expats alike. However I do not think that anything can really prevent KSA's rise, at most we will have a global setback and temporary setback.

ECONOMY

Saudi Arabia GDP rises 4.5 per cent in 2025 to $1.28tn​

Saudi Arabia’s real GDP grew 4.5 per cent in 2025 to $1.28tn as oil, non-oil and government sectors expanded, GASTAT said

Will Milner

Mon 9 Mar 2026

Saudi Arabia’s real gross domestic product (GDP) grew 4.5 per cent in 2025 compared with 2024, supported by expansion across oil, non-oil and government sectors, according to data released by the General Authority for Statistics (GASTAT).

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/finance/economy/saudi-arabia-gdp-rises-4-5-per-cent-in-2025-to-1-28tn

I cannot post the entire article as it is behind a paywall.

Another one - same problem:

POLITICS

Saudi non-oil exports rise 18.6% in Q4 as re-exports surge​

Growth in machinery and electrical equipment shipments drives expansion, while petroleum’s share of total exports declines
Kath Young
Thu 26 Feb 2026

Saudi Arabia’s non-oil exports, including re-exports, increased by 18.6 per cent in the fourth quarter of 2025 compared with the same period a year earlier, according to the International Trade Bulletin issued by the General Authority for Statistics.

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/politics/saudi-non-oil-exports-rise-18-6-in-q4-as-re-exports-surge

 

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[ACE OF HEARTS]

Is Pakistan forcefully being dragged into a war on the basis of the Mutual Defence Pact ?

Is Pakistan being used as mercenary force to even the score or perhaps more ?

Saudi Leader Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls
Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman sees a “historic opportunity” to remake the region, according to people briefed by U.S. officials on the conversations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/saudi-prince-iran-trump.html

It is impossible for Pakistan achieve any breakthrough in the peace talks keeping in mind that negative approach of some countries.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... To me it is pointless to talk about this pact because it plays no role whatsoever currently at least and is unlikely to do so. ...

09/09/2025: Israel attacks Qatar.
17/09/2025: Saudi Arabia signs a defence pact with Pakistan

What is the defence pact for? We obviously don't need military help from Saudi Arabia.


Joint Statement Issued Following Pakistan Prime Minister State Visit to Saudi Arabia
Wednesday 25/03/1447

Riyadh, September 17, 2025, SPA -- At the invitation of His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Crown Prince and Prime Minister, Islamic Republic of Pakistan Prime Minister Muhammad Shehbaz Sharif paid a state visit to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on September 17, 2025.

HRH the Crown Prince received the prime minister of Pakistan at Al-Yamamah Palace in Riyadh, where both sides held an official session of talks attended by both counrties' delegations. At the outset of the session, the prime minister of Pakistan conveyed his greetings and warm wishes to Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud. The two sides reviewed the historic and strategic relations between both countries, and a number of topics of common interest.

Building on the historic partnership extending for nearly eight decades between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, and based on the bonds of brotherhood and Islamic solidarity, as well as shared strategic interests and close defense cooperation between the two countries, HRH the Crown Prince and the Pakistani prime minister signed a Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement. This agreement, which reflects the shared commitment of both nations to enhance their security and to achieving security and peace in the region and the world, aims to develop aspects of defense cooperation between the two countries and strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression. The agreement states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both.

The Pakistani prime minister expressed his sincere gratitude and appreciation to HRH the Crown Prince for the warm welcome and generous hospitality extended to him and his accompanying delegation. He also conveyed his best wishes for the continued well-being of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques and HRH the Crown Prince and the continued progress and prosperity for the brotherly people of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. In turn, HRH the Crown Prince extended his warm wishes for the good health and well-being of the Pakistani prime minister, and for further progress and prosperity for the brotherly people of Pakistan.
-- SPA
21:46 Local Time 18:46 GMT
0069

Saudi Press Agency

 

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09/09/2025: Israel attacks Qatar.
17/09/2025: Saudi Arabia signs a defence pact with Pakistan

What is the defence pact for? We obviously don't need military help from Saudi Arabia.


Joint Statement Issued Following Pakistan Prime Minister State Visit to Saudi Arabia
Wednesday 25/03/1447

Riyadh, September 17, 2025, SPA -- At the invitation of His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Crown Prince and Prime Minister, Islamic Republic of Pakistan Prime Minister Muhammad Shehbaz Sharif paid a state visit to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on September 17, 2025.

HRH the Crown Prince received the prime minister of Pakistan at Al-Yamamah Palace in Riyadh, where both sides held an official session of talks attended by both counrties' delegations. At the outset of the session, the prime minister of Pakistan conveyed his greetings and warm wishes to Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud. The two sides reviewed the historic and strategic relations between both countries, and a number of topics of common interest.

Building on the historic partnership extending for nearly eight decades between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, and based on the bonds of brotherhood and Islamic solidarity, as well as shared strategic interests and close defense cooperation between the two countries, HRH the Crown Prince and the Pakistani prime minister signed a Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement. This agreement, which reflects the shared commitment of both nations to enhance their security and to achieving security and peace in the region and the world, aims to develop aspects of defense cooperation between the two countries and strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression. The agreement states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both.

The Pakistani prime minister expressed his sincere gratitude and appreciation to HRH the Crown Prince for the warm welcome and generous hospitality extended to him and his accompanying delegation. He also conveyed his best wishes for the continued well-being of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques and HRH the Crown Prince and the continued progress and prosperity for the brotherly people of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. In turn, HRH the Crown Prince extended his warm wishes for the good health and well-being of the Pakistani prime minister, and for further progress and prosperity for the brotherly people of Pakistan.
-- SPA
21:46 Local Time 18:46 GMT
0069

Saudi Press Agency

I think that the deal signed is only relevant in case of existential threats. For instance if somebody is stupid and crazy enough to attempt an land invasion of KSA.
KSA has barely been impacted at all after almost 4 weeks of conflict next door. Unlikely to change in the future as well given that Iranian missiles and drones (their only offensive weapons) are getting depleted.

KSA also made it publicly clear for Iran that any attacks on oil, gas, water desalination and other critical infrastructure is a read line and that KSA would declare war and reply in return (or more) should such a thing occur. As you can see, Iran has not done anything in this regard prior to or after this warning.

And since I believe that KSA has access to not only nuclear weapons, confirmed by former CIA agents, M16 agents, senior IRGC officers (ironically - I posted all the videos) (what otherwise the use for those Chinese nuclear capable missiles already bought in the 1980's?) but chemical weapons (we have one of the largest and most advanced chemical industries in the world and we have some of the highest amount of chemical engineers per capita in the world - Iraq used such weapons all the way back in the 1980's) as well, any such suicidal thing from Iran, will have incredibly bad consequences for them. Their Bushehr nuclear power plant would be gone and South Iran permanently contaminated for the next many centuries in worst case scenario. We could easily destroy all their heritage/historical sites as well.

I am not advocating for any of this but I am just saying that KSA has an extreme amount of firepower that can easily hurt Iran tremendously.

That is without the religious aspect. It only takes a few fatwas or clerics in Makkah and Madinah for 10.000's (very low conservative estimate) of volunteers from across the world to arrive.

If just 0.01% of 550 million Arabs worldwide return such a call, we are talking about 55.000 people.

As I wrote, I suspect, that in Nigeria alone, KSA has millions of potential volunteers.

Of course none of this will ever become relevant, nor do I personally wish for it, but the Iranian Mullah regime has been an enemy of ours since 1979. They have conspired against several Arab countries in the region, actively meddled opportunistically in war torn/unstable Arab countries (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon), created anti-KSA backward proxies etc. and directly aided enemies that have attacked KSA directly.

Not only that the heretics have been calling to take over Makkah and Madinah since the very beginning (1979) and they have in many ways been more obsessed about KSA than Israel and USA.

There is this Persian Sunni brother who is a master in exposing that regime and their heretical 47 year old Wilayat al-Faqih cult.

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If they attack our people and critical infrastructure, we should show no mercy to them, just try to avoid targeting Iranian Arabs and Muslims of Iran. Their cult and cultist should be open game.

Personally I no longer have any patience for their retarded Arabized Mullah regime and their shenanigans in the region and I can only hope that they will soon be removed from Iran one way or another with some new sane leadership emerging. One day it will obviously occur but the quicker the better. Once that happens, you will see KSA and Iran develop a close and cordial relationship. You can bookmark this claim of mine as I have zero doubts about this.

 

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Too much nonsense in this thread. I need to lock it so it can be moderated and cleaned up.