Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[El Sidd]

Also, Pakistan has no tribal infighting baggage to deal with

Did you write this before or after smelling the morning coffee?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Did you write this before or after smelling the morning coffee?

Do you have a view or opinion to add to the conversation or just here to troll again with your drive by one liners ?

 

[El Sidd]

Do you have a view or onion to add to the conversation or just here to troll again with your one liners ?

Usually expressions of shock are short and concise which can be communicated effectively in one sentence.

To assert that Pakistan is immune to tribal infighting or has no baggage with it, can only be attributed to exaggeration and intellectual dishonesty. Pakistani society is always one gunshot away from communal violence not to mention the role this plays in national politics, be it losing the Eastern wing or counterterrorism or water management.

It would be a good thing to come down from this mighty shiny horse of misplaced arrogance regardless of the caffeine or nicotin levels.

 

[Owaiz]

This - this is the problem with the whole of the middle east. It is the lack of strategic thought because the middle east is run by little kingdoms and princes & kings who have a lot of power, but no intellect or thought and ego's that stop them from delegating strategic thought and decision making. Their very petty tribal nature causes the endless chaos and why I am a bit wary of Pakistan's involvement tbh(lets see where that goes). The only two countries with real strategic thought and planning are Pakistan and Turkieye ( i am only discounting Iran due to the rift between the revolution and reformers which needs to play out ) and of course Israel, imho and that shows in their approach to things.

The Gulf states are family enterprises, but Pakistan can hardly be compared to Turkiye and Israel. The latter are modern democracies with strong civiilan institutions, whereas Pakistan has been a de facto or de jure military dictatorship with its Constitutions having been either literally or figuratively torn to pieces.

Also, Israel has gained significant territory since its founding and Turkiye since the Treaty of Sevres( including de facto control of North Cyprus) and mostly successfully suppressed any insurgencies within their borders. They also have resilient economies and are world leaders in certain technology pockets. Pakistan lost half the country, faces raging insurgencies and is on economic life support due to decades of mismanagement and loot.

 

[El Sidd]

The Gulf states are family enterprises, but Pakistan can hardly be compared to Turkiye and Israel. The latter are modern democracies with strong civiilan institutions, whereas Pakistan has been a de facto or de jure military dictatorship with its Constitutions having been either literally or figuratively torn to pieces.

Also, Israel has gained significant territory since its founding and Turkiye since the Treaty of Sevres( including de facto control of North Cyprus) and mostly successfully suppressed any insurgencies within their borders. They also have resilient economies and are world leaders in certain technology pockets. Pakistan lost half the country, faces raging insurgencies and is on economic life support due to decades of mismanagement and loot.

India will rather restart the war than allow for such lofty ambitions.

 

[Yasser76]

India will rather restart the war than allow for such lofty ambitions.

Let them, did not work out well last time....

 

[El Sidd]

Let them, did not work out well last time....

Pakistan is also not keen on this perpetually imposed war by India. Be it water, economic, diplomatic or militarily.

It's upto United States of America to enforce the mediating terms of the ceasefire or for India to say no to America. Islamabad MoU is also party to the equation along with India's recent gains in the Pacific.

Fate of Asia and her many civilizations face imminent risk.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Pakistan is also not keen on this perpetually imposed war by India. Be it water, economic, diplomatic or militarily.

It's upto United States of America to enforce the mediating terms of the ceasefire or for India to say no to America. Islamabad MoU is also party to the equation along with India's recent gains in the Pacific.

Fate of Asia and her many civilizations face imminent risk.

India has recieved the bulk of major investment from the GCC along with Europe and US.

Hundreds of billions worth of dollars have been poured into their industrial base which Pakistan threatened to destroy which led to the intervention to stop the war.

This is the tragedy of Pakistan, its allies decided to invest in her enemy and considered it nothing more than a throwaway security guard.

 

[Oscar]

India has recieved the bulk of major investment from the GCC along with Europe and US.

Hundreds of billions worth of dollars have been poured into their industrial base which Pakistan threatened to destroy which led to the intervention to stop the war.

This is the tragedy of Pakistan, its allies decided to invest in her enemy and considered it nothing more than a throwaway security guard.

Read your own post again - who is technically the greater fool to remain a common poor security guard rather than an attractive investment option?

 

[Yasser76]

India has recieved the bulk of major investment from the GCC along with Europe and US.

Hundreds of billions worth of dollars have been poured into their industrial base which Pakistan threatened to destroy which led to the intervention to stop the war.

This is the tragedy of Pakistan, its allies decided to invest in her enemy and considered it nothing more than a throwaway security guard.

Dude, that was just business, same way Pakistani traders and Indian traders did business, how can you expect any country, even Pakistani allies, to ignore a 1.4 Billion person market?

Pakistan should make itself an attractive destination for investment and we do not

 

[lightning f57]

It's upto United States of America to enforce the mediating terms of the ceasefire or for India

Why is it up to them? MAGA mostly want disengagement from the world, Pak should not rely on the US to help with any mediation with India. Pak should continue building its relations with the ME countries, that will indirectly help pressure India.

 

[El Sidd]

India has recieved the bulk of major investment from the GCC along with Europe and US.

Hundreds of billions worth of dollars have been poured into their industrial base which Pakistan threatened to destroy which led to the intervention to stop the war.

This is the tragedy of Pakistan, its allies decided to invest in her enemy and considered it nothing more than a throwaway security guard.

It's not the case of letting the cat guard the milk.

 

[El Sidd]

Why is it up to them? MAGA mostly want disengagement from the world, Pak should not rely on the US to help with any mediation with India. Pak should continue building its relations with the ME countries, that will indirectly help pressure India.

Because they stuck their neck out for it? Pakistan has a ceasefire owing to American intervention.