Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

If I was Shahbaz Sharif, what I would have asked in return is

1. Built an international level research university in each province of Pakistan and fund it's operations.

2. Increase the # of scholarships for Pakistani students in Saudi universities to say 10,000 per year.

3. Ease down the visa policy and medical for Pakistanis, specially students. I lost one fully funded PhD scholarship opportunity in KFUPM due to the rubbish and ridiculous medical policy for Saudi immigration (M.E I'm general). Keep in mind they have no requirement of medical exam for students coming from countries , say NZ, Australia etc.

4. JVs. In defence and all. Fully funded by KSA.

5. Accommodate some 500,000 more Pakistanis in high salary sector such as education, health, manufacturing etc.

My wish list. Old Habit. @Zarvan
 
If I was Shahbaz Sharif, what I would have asked in return is

1. Built an international level research university in each province of Pakistan and fund it's operations.

2. Increase the # of scholarships for Pakistani students in Saudi universities to say 10,000 per year.

3. Ease down the visa policy and medical for Pakistanis, specially students. I lost one fully funded PhD scholarship opportunity in KFUPM due to the rubbish and ridiculous medical policy for Saudi immigration (M.E I'm general). Keep in mind they have no requirement of medical exam for students coming from countries , say NZ, Australia etc.

4. JVs. In defence and all. Fully funded by KSA.

1 is Pakistan's job to do. 2&3 agree.
 
One more Indian channel breast beating about it. English captions available. But to truly enjoy, this, you've got to know some Hindu/Urdu 'Thattay' (big laughters). I am literally LOLing over that alone!

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One more Indian channel breast beating about it. English captions available. But to truly enjoy, this, you've got to know some Hindu/Urdu 'Thattay' (big laughters). I am literally LOLing over that alone!

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The 'Thattay' part. OMG!!!

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If I was Shahbaz Sharif, what I would have asked in return is

1. Built an international level research university in each province of Pakistan and fund it's operations.

2. Increase the # of scholarships for Pakistani students in Saudi universities to say 10,000 per year.

3. Ease down the visa policy and medical for Pakistanis, specially students. I lost one fully funded PhD scholarship opportunity in KFUPM due to the rubbish and ridiculous medical policy for Saudi immigration (M.E I'm general). Keep in mind they have no requirement of medical exam for students coming from countries , say NZ, Australia etc.

4. JVs. In defence and all. Fully funded by KSA.

5. Accommodate some 500,000 more Pakistanis in high salary sector such as education, health, manufacturing etc.

My wish list. Old Habit. @Zarvan

this is a race, which we have already lost!

quality education cannot precede quality mind, which we dont have!

you can observe societal downfall in the routine life, and, in my opinion is now beyond repair!
 
Do a little research before making such hollow conjectures. Pakistan never joined Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen, in fact, Parliament unanimously voted for neutrality in 2015, so your claims are misleading.

And the point about Saudi Arabia not providing kinetic military assistance misses the real picture: Pakistan doesn’t need Saudi troops, what it wants is financial aid, deferred oil supplies, and diplomatic clout, which Riyadh has consistently provided. After the 1998 nuclear tests, when Pakistan faced Western sanctions, our foreign reserves dipped below $700 million and the country struggled to pay for oil shipments. Saudi Arabia stepped in, supplying free oil and deferred payment facilities that helped stabilize the economy and shore up reserves.

I was talking about the future, since this agreement. What if tomorrow saudia bombs Yemen, killing 100 civilians and Yemen fires ballistic missiles at Saudia, what will be Pakistan army response, to shoot them down or to target the areas where they are deployed from, in another words attacking Yemen and making Pakistan in to a target practise. This will be deviation from our official policy, which encourages Pakistan to support all muslim states, to encourage peace and unity between them.

We can say the same about saudia, they have 15m arab population, total 500m Arabs and cannot deploy 300,000 troops to defend themselves.

The point is Pakistan needs to be careful, we already have India on our backside and militancy going on, no point dragging ourselves in to others wars
 
I was talking about the future, since this agreement. What if tomorrow saudia bombs Yemen, killing 100 civilians and Yemen fires ballistic missiles at Saudia, what will be Pakistan army response, to shoot them down or to target the areas where they are deployed from, in another words attacking Yemen and making Pakistan in to a target practise. This will be deviation from our official policy, which encourages Pakistan to support all muslim states, to encourage peace and unity between them.

We can say the same about saudia, they have 15m arab population, total 500m Arabs and cannot deploy 300,000 troops to defend themselves.

The point is Pakistan needs to be careful, we already have India on our backside and militancy going on, no point dragging ourselves in to others wars


yes, there is a possibility, because now, Houthis are busy with the entity!

once this is over, they will come at KSA.
 
@313Ghazi
Like the summary below: There are some questions however.


Correct, Infact this is just optics. Why should Pakistanis take this seriously

Shouldn't Pakistan be more concerned to secure its own "narrower region" ? How does this treaty secure Pakistan's own security which a seven times superior enemy attempted to deliver a devastating blow on May 7th to 10th.

What is the "new role" ? Isn't the prime goal of the Pakistani military the safeguarding of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Pakistan?

How does a Defense Treaty ( purely military in nature) help fix Pakistan's economy? What investments or employment generation happens as a consequence of this Mutual Defense treaty ?
To answer your questions, we need to assume for a minute there is substance to this agreement and not just optics. If that it is the case (i remain skeptical, yet hopeful);
Shouldn't Pakistan be more concerned to secure its own "narrower region" ? How does this treaty secure Pakistan's own security which a seven times superior enemy attempted to deliver a devastating blow on May 7th to 10th.
That will always be the primary focus. A mutual defence pact could serve to improve that.

1. Pakistan has always worried about being able to fund a long war.
2. Pakistan has worried about the rebuild cost of a long war.
3. Pakistan has worried about having enough energy stores to fight a long war.

Having the world largest oil producer as a military partner, should in theory reduce those worries. It should also allow for the expansion of the military in terms of equipment, manpower and the budget to develop more tech.

This leads nicely onto the next point.
What is the "new role" ? Isn't the prime goal of the Pakistani military the safeguarding of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Pakistan?
The new role, if it indeed exists, would require us to be able to protect the territorial integrity of a nation which has borders 2000km away. We know how to protect borders, we just can't do it easily 2000km away - we don't have the capability and we don't have the manpower do to it without being exposed.

Now some of that manpower and equipment is going to come from the Saudi Armed Forces of course, but some of it will have to be acquired, especially to make sure we are not exposed. We will also need to work on integrating with our new partners so we can coordinate with them and communicate effectively in battle as well as having to build doctrine to support expeditionary forces and a long supply chain.

How does a Defense Treaty ( purely military in nature) help fix Pakistan's economy? What investments or employment generation happens as a consequence of this Mutual Defense treaty ?

It doesn't, but if we had any sense we'd be asking our new partners to help finance our economic recovery and development as part of the process. Having strong partners is in everyone's long term interests.
 
So basically the Saudis have assured their own security


After they said not to respond to India saying they can't afford another Gaza and didn't exactly back Pakistan the way they should have during the conflict.

Unless this defence pact actually shows a mutual dividend and not just a one sided affair, it's basically the Saudis trying to save their own hide
Between the two (Pakistan and Saudi) who do you think is more likely to enter into a military conflict anytime in the near to medium term?

The Saudis aren’t ignorant about India-Pakistan tensions and the two conflicts we have fought recently with Modi promising to continue escalating. Saudi commitment to this agreement will likely be tested far sooner than Pakistan’s commitment.
 
I was talking about the future, since this agreement. What if tomorrow saudia bombs Yemen, killing 100 civilians and Yemen fires ballistic missiles at Saudia, what will be Pakistan army response, to shoot them down or to target the areas where they are deployed from, in another words attacking Yemen and making Pakistan in to a target practise. This will be deviation from our official policy, which encourages Pakistan to support all muslim states, to encourage peace and unity between them.

We can say the same about saudia, they have 15m arab population, total 500m Arabs and cannot deploy 300,000 troops to defend themselves.

The point is Pakistan needs to be careful, we already have India on our backside and militancy going on, no point dragging ourselves in to others wars
You don't know anything about Yemen and its history. But let me help you educate you and others as there are barely any Arab users here and much of what is written about us is pure nonsense or ignorant speech. With all due respect.

Houthis are a fairly new group/sect/political movement/military group/terrorist group (whatever you want to call them, Yemenis all have various opinions about them), that emerged in the 1990's and was centered around the province of Sa'dah next door to KSA's Asir and Najran Provinces. It was originally a political Zaydi-alligned movement by the influential Al-Houthi tribal family in Sa'dah and an attempt to revive Zaydi rule/control of Northern Yemen that had lost steam and influence after the North Yemen civil war in 1962


(when North Yemen was a Zaydi monarchy - ironically supported heavily by KSA) and the republicans who were supported by Nasser's Egypt. In that war Egypt lost more soldiers than any other war. Eventually the so-called Arab nationalistic/Nasserist side won and the Zaydi monarchy lost power.

Now when the KSA-Iran proxy war was at its worst, Iran actively attempted to pop up the Houthis next to KSA's Southern borders in order to create a Hezbollah like movement that was hostile to KSA and saw it as Hezbollah sees Israel, even though KSA has always been the economic lifeline of Yemen (helping keep it afloat to this very day) and hosted the largest Yemeni diaspora and even though the people of Northern Yemen and Southern KSA are basically the same with even Zaydi/Ismaily groups in Southern KSA.

Now 20 + years after Houthi insurgency and terrorism against the Yemeni state (much like all those militant groups in Pakistan that are on a weekly/monthly basis killing Pakistani soldiers and calling the Islamabad government for illegtimate), the Houthis were fought several times by their fellow Zaydi (Ali Abdullah Saleh).

Full scale insurgency started from 2004 until 2014. Before 2004 it was more sporadic when the Houthi movement was weaker.


Now what happens in 2014? The Arab Spring is engulfing much of the Arab world and Yemenis (at least some) rebel against Ali Abdullah Saleh. The state is in desarail and various actors are roaming lose. Even likes of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula etc.


Houthis used that momentum to kickstart an invasion of Sana'a with the aim of finally grabbing power. Now KSA and other Arab nations don't want to see a potential hostile, Iran-regime sponsored Hezbollah like movement emerging (Houthis back then were officially calling for an invasion of KSA and regime change and what not - you can google this in Arabic and plenty of videos of this) and this forced KSA to act on the side of the legitimate/official Yemeni government and rest is history KSA prevented Houthi rule of all of Yemen and defeated them in Aden and other major cities, confining them to the mountanious Northern Zaydi-dominated Yemen.. Status quo has been the same ever since and since 2020 there has been no active hostilities. There is official peace and an understanding as well even if there is little trust. Now the Houthis have created an incompetent oppresive state in Northern Yemen with little future ahead of itself. Eventually the people will rise up and changes will occur. Anyway the Houthis can continue to attack Israel, one of the few good things they have done, even if it really does not change anything on the ground. Fact of the matter here is that KSA and Yemen (as a country) have no animosity, let alone the people, and that the problem was between the Houthi leadership and their actions in Yemen and KSA' legitimate fears of not tolerating a hostile organization/group next door to you. Not much different from what would happen if anti-state Pakistani terrorist groups set up bases and were leased land in Afghanistan by the Taliban next door to potentially attack and harm Pakistan.

However now that there is an understanding and peace between the Houthi leadership and KSA, I see no reason for any future hostility or conflict and ideally we should cooperate against our fellow enemies as fellow Arabs and Muslims.
 
an Alliance of hert and single sword. may be its propganda but lines have too much to say.
Bhai as much as i want this to be true, which i know the pact indeed is true but what is the details of it ? I will celebrate when i see construction started for a new Military base with runways where Pakistan troops and fighter jets will be stationed, now that will be a amazing site to behold.
 

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