Bilal
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Come out of 70s ZAB mentality, it destroyed us. You know the qualm west has against Chinese industry?
Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion
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Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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Waz
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To be very serious about this Pakistan needs to start to build far more powerful nuclear weapons, nation killing nukes, city busters etc. Saudi resources and technical help can be made available, and you have years of Pakistani knowhow.
An alliance is only as strong as the spear tip which defends it.
An alliance is only as strong as the spear tip which defends it.
_Arabia_
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With KSA opening up the country for tourism and foreigners as a whole (outside of Hajj, Umrah and expats) and becoming a tourist hub/magnet (already one of the most visited countries on earth), thanks to the state finally realizing the potential of tourism (let alone soft power) and as a result due to heavy investments in the tourism sector (infrastructure, opening up for heritage sites, nature sites etc.), many new/old/hidden gems are reappearing on the world tourism map for locals and foreigners alike.
Farasan islands are very nice (largest island archipelago in KSA) but have in mind that there are some 1500 + islands in KSA alone (tropical, volcanic, mountainous, desert etc.) on both coastlines, although the Red Sea has the majority and by itself is one of the marine treasures of the world and home to the second largest coral reefs in the world after the Great Barrier Reef in Australia and one of the richest marine ecosystems in the world.
Some 5-10% of all marine life in the world is endemic to the Red Sea. It is an incredibly rich sea.
فرسان by Jazan Know, on Flickr
Agree with much brother, but I would not include Kuwait here. They (government/regime/monarchy) and parliament and people are staunchly anti-Israel and anti-Zionist and have never recognized Israel (ever) nor entered the nonsense Abraham Accords. Neither Qatar for that matter but the Al-Udeid base cannot be ignored here in what we were discussing. It is a oxymoron. And they are excused, after all, they are barely a "real country" to begin with with 350.000 locals (almost all of them originally from KSA/Najd mainly, including the Al-Thani ruling family). For starters the concept of Qatar as a separate Arabian entity is barely 200 years old and that too loosely and effectively only much later did it gain "full" autonomy.
Most Emiratis, Qataris, Kuwaitis and Bahrainis are well aware that we are one people and that their states, most likely, will eventually be absorbed by the main powers of Arabia (as throughout history) and long-term, their states, are not feasible.
The best thing that could occur, if the current monarchies remain intact (if not the whole political landscape will change for obvious reasons), would be for the GCC to turn into a real federation and get absorbed by the main power (KSA) and in return the smaller GCC states could remain as federal states of this new state, much like the UAE for instance is made up of various emirates that have a large degree of autonomy and their own laws (Sharjah emirate for instance is quite conservative and totally different from say Dubai) but de facto controlled/ruled by mainly Abu Dhabi.
I mean nobody can choose freely how big their country or population is but frankly speaking we are roughly talking about the exact same people. There is no point of a seperate "Qatari identity" or "Emirati" etc. For all I care, the "Saudi" identity can also disappear and be replaced by a new Arabian identity. I mean all those are nation states, the land (Arabia) and people (Arabs, Arabians) have existed since time immortal with recorded civilizations/ancient advanced cultures spanning 12.000 years (Al-Magar). Whatever we call ourselves we will remain Arabs/Arabians.
What I am trying to say here is that unity is the way forward in the Arab and Muslim world and that I am personally tired of us Arabs having 20 + nations and 20 + regimes instead of having 2-4 (at most) powerful nations that could truly speak with 1 tongue and in our own interests and those of the region and people.
Many of those regime policies and nations and their policies have nothing to do with Arab aspirations, opinions or sentiments. Most Bahrainis, Emiratis, Moroccans want nothing to do with Israel or the Abraham Accords for instance. Nor do we support any silly internal Arab-rivalries that are fueled by regimes in power. Look at for instance the retarded Moroccan/Algerian split/rivalry that could not be more artificial by heart. Other such examples that are not relevant to this thread but I am frankly sick and tired of it personally.
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Blain2
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He was in the command center himself with his leadership. Give credit where it's due. The operation was a joint one. Most of the strikes into India were handled by Munir's boys in the army.
It is clear that your bias against him won't let you see things objectively. I don't agree with his involvement in politics but this issue is not one of politics. As such, credit is due.
Blain2
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Let's give this misplaced, self-aggrandizing nonsense a break. If KSA just decided to bar Indian labor and GCC followed suit, the entire Indian economy would go into recession for years. That is a fact.Bilal
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Like a said, they suffer from delusion of grandiose.
With KSA opening up the country for tourism and foreigners as a whole (outside of Hajj, Umrah and expats) and becoming a tourist hub/magnet (already one of the most visited countries on earth), thanks to the state finally realizing the potential of tourism (let alone soft power) and as a result due to heavy investments in the tourism sector (infrastructure, opening up for heritage sites, nature sites etc.), many new/old/hidden gems are reappearing on the world tourism map for locals and foreigners alike.
Farasan islands are very nice (largest island archipelago in KSA) but have in mind that there are some 1500 + islands in KSA alone (tropical, volcanic, mountainous, desert etc.) on both coastlines, although the Red Sea has the majority and by itself is one of the marine treasures of the world and home to the second largest coral reefs in the world after the Great Barrier Reef in Australia and one of the richest marine ecosystems in the world.
Some 5-10% of all marine life in the world is endemic to the Red Sea. It is an incredibly rich sea.
فرسان by Jazan Know, on Flickr
Tabuk area منطقة تبوك by tabuk تبوك, on Flickr
Agree with much brother, but I would not include Kuwait here. They (government/regime/monarchy) and parliament and people are staunchly anti-Israel and anti-Zionist and have never recognized Israel (ever) nor entered the nonsense Abraham Accords. Neither Qatar for that matter but the Al-Udeid base cannot be ignored here in what we were discussing. It is a oxymoron. And they are excused, after all, they are barely a "real country" to begin with with 350.000 locals (almost all of them originally from KSA/Najd mainly, including the Al-Thani ruling family). For starters the concept of Qatar as a separate Arabian entity is barely 200 years old and that too loosely and effectively only much later did it gain "full" autonomy.
Most Emiratis, Qataris, Kuwaitis and Bahrainis are well aware that we are one people and that their states, most likely, will eventually be absorbed by the main powers of Arabia (as throughout history) and long-term, their states, are not feasible.
The best thing that could occur, if the current monarchies remain intact (if not the whole political landscape will change for obvious reasons), would be for the GCC to turn into a real federation and get absorbed by the main power (KSA) and in return the smaller GCC states could remain as federal states of this new state, much like the UAE for instance is made up of various emirates that have a large degree of autonomy and their own laws (Sharjah emirate for instance is quite conservative and totally different from say Dubai) but de facto controlled/ruled by mainly Abu Dhabi.
I mean nobody can choose freely how big their country or population is but frankly speaking we are roughly talking about the exact same people. There is no point of a seperate "Qatari identity" or "Emirati" etc. For all I care, the "Saudi" identity can also disappear and be replaced by a new Arabian identity. I mean all those are nation states, the land (Arabia) and people (Arabs, Arabians) have existed since time immortal with recorded civilizations/ancient advanced cultures spanning 12.000 years (Al-Magar). Whatever we call ourselves we will remain Arabs/Arabians.
What I am trying to say here is that unity is the way forward in the Arab and Muslim world and that I am personally tired of us Arabs having 20 + nations and 20 + regimes instead of having 2-4 (at most) powerful nations that could truly speak with 1 tongue and in our own interests and those of the region and people.
Many of those regime policies and nations and their policies have nothing to do with Arab aspirations, opinions or sentiments. Most Bahrainis, Emiratis, Moroccans want nothing to do with Israel or the Abraham Accords for instance. Nor do we support any silly internal Arab-rivalries that are fueled by regimes in power. Look at for instance the retarded Moroccan/Algerian split/rivalry that could not be more artificial by heart. Other such examples that are not relevant to this thread but I am frankly sick and tired of it personally.
After giving second thought, you are right and we can include Kuwait and Qatar in such block. They can help financially and diplomatically if not with manpower.
Meengla
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I was wondering what my absolute favorite Indian Army General Mr. G. D. Bakshi had to say about it. Here he is but I don't understand what he is trying to say beyond the usual obvious insulting of Pakistan but also a subtle recognition of Pakistan's gains??!!!
Hakikat ve Hikmet
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Yes, I was mad at him too when IK was interned....
But, there's a bold line separating day-to-day politics from existence of a state. A king can be replaced by another king, but when the kingdom is gone it requires centuries to win it back....
Hakikat ve Hikmet
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First cut (in a positive sense for the friends and negative for the foes) is the deepest.....
Many more to come Insha'Allah....
Many more to come Insha'Allah....
Distant_Observer
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Is this finally the end to the 50 year quest for strategic depth?
Goenitz
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also nuclear power plants. get rid of IPPs.. pay the penalties.. China Chasma Power Plant 5 can produce 1200 MW. Get Pak on its own feet for the future. Then build these Plants for the Gulf.
SA can then invest in the Thar Canal projects. There are many avenues.
I heard Bahria UAE is a billion-dollar $ project.
Meengla
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Here is Mr. Bakshi showing some of his old form in the first 7 seven minutes of this video; in the first couple of minutes, he is insulting the Arabs and then he is targeting the Pakistani Army Chief Asim Munir.
I just LOOOOOOVEEE General Bakshi!!
PS. He is still talking about the Pak-Saudi agreement so not off topic!!
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