Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

Hakikat ve Hikmet said:
Yes, I was mad at him too when IK was interned....
But, there's a bold line separating day-to-day politics from existence of a state. A king can be replaced by another king, but when the kingdom is gone it requires centuries to win it back....
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I am very glad you formed such an opinion and I hope Pakistani expats, especially in Western countries, would come to the same understanding as you have.
 
Pak-Warrior said:
Iran and KSA are opposite sides. After this KSA-Pak agreement, i think any chances of Pakistan aligning with Iran are almost diminished / gone. Also during Iran-Israel war, Iranian general claimed that Pakistan will help Iran if Israel use nukes but Pakistan instantly rejected that and said that we never offered such thing.
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Actually, the Chinese engineered an understanding between KSA and Iran and that has stood the crucial test where the Americans had to use their bases from far away to attack Iran in the last attack even though it was a staged tit for tat.
As to Pakistan 'rejected' the nuclear umbrella to Iran, of course Pakistan did that! Why show your cards until the time?? But then even Israel didn't use even mini nukes to take out targets in Gaza, southern Lebanon, Yemen, or Syria: Once you cross that Rubicon, then there is no going back. Those in the know, would know who did when and what.

Pak-Warrior said:
Pakistan in any capacity cannot offer nuclear arsenal to any other country. Or nuking another country for someone else. See above General Tarik khan interview too. Nuking israel means a most brutal response from the US & Europe and you do know that perfectly.
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Pakistan or even Israel have no need to use nukes unless the very survival of the respective nation is at stake.

IMO, nuclear weapons introduce enough ambiguity, enough room for face saving for nations to back out from disastrous policies.
 
Hakikat ve Hikmet said:
Ambassador Abdul Basit wants BD to be a part of this treaty too! Who knows if a pro-TNT Muslim government comes to the power after elections it may come true....

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Mr. Basit is very knowledgeable and objective. Quiet and insight into this development. Especially the part where he mentions Indians reaching out to KSA [yesterday]and asking to apply an exception for India if/when India attacks Pakistan.
The desperation and panic in India is clear👍🏼
 
Exped-33 said:
Mr. Basit is very knowledgeable and objective. Quiet and insight into this development. Especially the part where he mentions Indians reaching out to KSA [yesterday]and asking to apply an exception for India if/when India attacks Pakistan.
The desperation and panic in India is clear👍🏼
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Indian bloggers are rightly pointing toward the 2.5 million Indians in Saudi Arabia alone; add many more from other rich GCC Arab nations.
THAT, more than the 'deferred oil payments' or the 'grants' or the 'IMF Loans' are the potential Pakistani path to an economic revival: Placing the Pakistani labor in the rich GCC Arab nations.
 
Pak-Warrior said:
Here a very knowledgeable General Tariq Khan on the KSA - Pakistan defense pact:

This talk is way more objective, closer to reality then anything else being propagated by our media:

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G.Tariq is emphasizing a lot on China entry via Pak. I love that as I can see that too.
 
Pak-Warrior said:
Here a very knowledgeable General Tariq Khan on the KSA - Pakistan defense pact:

This talk is way more objective, closer to reality then anything else being propagated by our media:

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Thanks and I agree with you, this was a mostly sober and rational analysis. It's so hard to find quality discussion like this in Pakistani infosphere.
 
Pak-Warrior said:
Here a very knowledgeable General Tariq Khan on the KSA - Pakistan defense pact:

This talk is way more objective, closer to reality then anything else being propagated by our media:

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I watched this video twice to fully understand what the general was saying. His main points will take the air out of 90% of what people are imagining in this thread.

1. The maximum Pakistan can do is put some boots in the ground in SA.

2. Pakistan can’t spare any fighter jets or pilots.

3. Even if Pakistan wanted to it can’t fly jets in SA without American permission.

4. The best the deal can do is provide China with an entry point into Saudi Arabia.

5. China can’t enter Saudi Arabia unless US is removed from the region.

6. The only worthwhile defense equipment Pakistan produces is JF-17 aircraft and some light firearms.

7. Pakistan nuke umbrella is probably not part of the agreement as that would bring the world against Pakistan.

8. If China enters the region it will bring Saudi Arabia and Iran together.
 
_Arabia_ said:
I am no fan of the Iranian regime and their mostly destructive and opportunistic meddling in war-torn/unstable Arab countries (Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria) but nowadays their regional "project" (look at the state of the areas of the Arab world that had or have minimal Iranian influence and you can see the "success" and results) that they have spent 100's of billions of dollars on, has basically fallen apart and been defeated almost everywhere. The only success story, the Houthis, have little to do with them and was only an opportunistic choice, when KSA put the idea of Houthis annexing all of Yemen to bed permanently during the intervention. Basically they are a weak, sanctioned and largely failed entity (economically in particular) and the collapse of their regime is just a question of time. In particular as the Iranian society is divided into hardcore Shia Mullahs (the 15-20% percentage of Sunni Iranians remain mostly observant Muslims and are not caught in those two worlds - the Kurds, Arabs, Turkmens, the Sunni Persian communities of the South), and anti-Mullahs which are a hilarious mixture of brown/confused/self-hating ("we wuz aryans") lot, pseudo-fire-worshippers, (largely Arabized as a whole in the past 1400 years on most fronts but don't tell them) and what not.

The point here is that they have basically capitulated (no nukes, 46 years of waste and false slogans amounted to nothing), all they are left with are the North Korean missiles but that too the West/US wants to take away from them. Sanctions also back and their clown reformists have no choice but to comply and they are doing it willingly.

What am I trying to get at here is that they are no longer seen as an even remotely threat and due to their current weakness, their dumb bravado of "controlling 4 Arab capitals", "defeating Israel and the US" has basically ended and now they are more worried about staying in power/surviving.

I am afraid, because in reality there is no need for any Arab-Iranian hostility at all, (other than geopolitical rivalry), that genuine trust is non-existent with the Iranian regime. Even the Arab Shias in Lebanon and Iraq are tired of them and distancing themselves from them.

It would require some kind of complete change in politics.

But they are themselves to blame for it, nobody told them to export their retarded revolution to the rest of us who had and have no interest in it and try to prop up 100's of Shia militias/proxies and what not.

Hence them being completely alone when Israel was wrecking them.

Had they had a more sane/friendly/not so hostile policy towards their neighbours, the situation would be different.
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Maybe if GCC had not sponsored a horrible and destructive war on Iran, via Iraq in the 1980s, causing at least 500k Iranian deaths, then Iran may have chosen "friendlier" policies towards the GCC in last 30 years. Actions have consequences.
 
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Tamerlane said:
I watched this video twice to fully understand what the general was saying. His main points will take the air out of 90% of what people are imagining in this thread.

1. The maximum Pakistan can do is put some boots in the ground in SA.

2. Pakistan can’t spare any fighter jets or pilots.

3. Even if Pakistan wanted to it can’t fly jets in SA without American permission.

4. The best the deal can do is provide China with an entry point into Saudi Arabia.

5. China can’t enter Saudi Arabia unless US is removed from the region.

6. The only worthwhile defense equipment Pakistan produces is JF-17 aircraft and some light firearms.

7. Pakistan nuke umbrella is probably not part of the agreement as that would bring the world against Pakistan.

8. If China enters the region it will bring Saudi Arabia and Iran together.
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Yes, plus the information on IMEC corridor and potential Belt and Road competitor to it. That's again where the Chinese angle comes in.
 
Its funny to see Indians trying to make this pact all about themselves, and on other hand we have low IQ IK supporters which I know which Ethnic group they are from (LOL), are taking cheap shots at the pact, while no one knows what exactly this PACT means and what are details.
 
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