Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I am very glad you formed such an opinion and I hope Pakistani expats, especially in Western countries, would come to the same understanding as you have.

I learnt it a long time back while I was in Turkey. The legitimate government of Prof Nejmettin Erbakan, the father of the Muslim Siyaset in Turkey, got toppled in a soft-coup by the pro-US/Israil military. His party got disbanded, and he was put in a house arrest and banned from politics for life. He told his 4m strong party members: yes we are illegally put out of power. But, this country, nation and state belong to us. Within 5 years his disciples were back in power with a full majority. The rest is history....

 

[Watandar]

Saddam extended an olive branch to Iran, after the revolution proposing non-interference. It was Khomeini who rejected that and called for the overthrow of Saddams government and to top it all off an Iran backed militia then tried to assassinate the Iraqi deputy PM. You can say what you want about the GCC's paranoia about Iran but it wasn't without reason, but Iran since the revolution has geopolitically only made blunder after blunder.

You describe an Iraqi party opposed to Saddam's oppressive dictatorship as an "Iranian militia", which is incorrect. I don't see how that justifies an invasion of a country except that Saddam was looking for an excuse. But I dont want to derail this thread. Back to topic.

 

[_Arabia_]

You describe an Iraqi party opposed to Saddam's oppressive dictatorship as an "Iranian militia", which is incorrect. I don't see how that justifies an invasion of a country except that Saddam was looking for an excuse. But I dont want to derail this thread. Back to topic.

By the same logic that Iranian communist/Shia mixture cult is legitimate. What is their name again? This lot, I believe.

People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And unlike you, I don't see anybody defending Saddam here like you are defending the policies of the idiotic Iranian Mullah regime of the past 46 years.

Fact remains the same, it was the Iranian regime that started their stupidity and opportunistic meddling after the "revolution" and they have paid a very high price of that and continue to pay a high price and if you ask me, I believe that they are on loan and will collapse very soon. I wonder what you will do when your sect/religion disappears? I mean don't you look at Khamenei as some kind of Semi-God in your guys doctrine? Must be a tough thing to endure. I wonder what you will do when Iran turns into a hardcore fire-worshipping and nationalistic state. At least you were not send for slaughter like the poor Afghan Hazaras. Also strange to live in the US of all places while a shill for the Iranian regime of all regimes. Maybe not so fond of them after all?

 

[Distant_Observer]

Saudi-Pak have many ways they can maneuver now.

The joint defense budget should increase to atleast $150 billion. Start the research projects.

Keep the Americans sweet and buy F35s under PAF command in Saudi. This also gives PAF and RSAF access to red arrows and US expertise. Invaluable.

Load up J35s stationed in Pakistan which will deal with the Indian threat.

This gives flexibility. If Israel attacks Pakistan will use J35s. If a middle eastern country attacks then F35s will be used.

The goal for both of us should be to get so militarily strong that no one would even think about attacking us.

 

[Watandar]

By the same logic that Iranian communist/Shia mixture cult is legitimate. What is their name again? This lot, I believe.

People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And unlike you, I don't see anybody defending Saddam here like you are defending the policies of the idiotic Iranian Mullah regime of the past 46 years.

I find the Saudi regime equally idiotic in exporting Wahhabism, making an enemy out of Iran, supporting Saddam's destructive war on Iraq only to see Saddam invade Kuwait and then run to Americans for protection. Where would Saudis be today without all that easy oil money and American protection ? Probably extinct.

Fact remains the same, it was the Iranian regime that started their stupidity and opportunistic meddling after the "revolution" and they have paid a very high price of that and continue to pay a high price

They have indeed paid a very high price for overthrowing an autocrat and resisting Western domination. Saudi and GCC ruling families remain petrified to this day.

and if you ask me, I believe that they are on loan and will collapse very soon.

It can happen, but next Iranian govt is not going to be puppet of the West like GCC either.

I wonder what you will do when your sect/religion disappears?

We are not going anywhere despite the stringent efforts of Wahhabis and their secret Zionist collaborators.

I mean don't you look at Khamenei as some kind of Semi-God in your guys doctrine? Must be a tough thing to endure.

No

I wonder what you will do when Iran turns into a hardcore fire-worshipping and nationalistic state

I will be fine if that happens, but where did you ever get such ideas in the first place ? What kind of nonsense are they teaching in Saudi schools.

. At least you were not send for slaughter like the poor Afghan Hazaras.

Yeah you really care about Hazaras I believe you.

Also strange to live in the US of all places while a shill for the Iranian regime of all regimes. Maybe not so fond of them after all?

what's wrong with where I am living ? You are in Saudi Arabia, an enabler of America and secret collaborator of Israel.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Check this Sunni Persian Twitter user (he has shown himself in person) based in the UK.

https://x.com/EbnHussein1424

He makes hillarious memes in this regard as well:

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lol

People are free to make fun/make similar gifs of Arab Zionists/Wannabe White Arabs, don't care but it is hillarious nevertheless. You have this type of Iranian on PDF as well, lol. They think that they are somehow superior and that they have an older and superior culture when that is factually not the case. I am yet to met a single genuine Arab supremacist anywhere, in person or online, that is actively writing similar nonsense of supremacy, being superior and what not.

He does an exceptional job of exposing their psyche (the two types of Iranians that I mentioned). The only thing that I don't like is his ridicule of the WIlayat al-Faqih and overly secterianism in regards to Shia Twelver Islam (even though I have obvious theological disagreements with this branch of Islam as has 90-95% of all the world's Muslims) but I don't believe that ridicule or tendencies to do so, are the way forward to change peoples hearts. He is also explaining why Islam is on the decline in Iran and whose fault it is. Interestingly, and I can confirm this with my interactions with Sunni Iranian Arabs, Sunni Iranian Kurds, Turkmens and Sunni Persians from Southern Iran (many of such people in the GCC - plus many intermarriages between Eastern Arabia and Southern Iran - whole Arab/Persian blend (called Hawala - google it), he is saying that Sunni Iranians are not infested by those viruses and they remain steadfast in their beliefs regardless of ethnic group.

But anyway, even despite my dislike of the Iranian regime, it is better for both parties and everyone in the region if we could regain each others trust and focus on the real enemies and move the region forward in the right direction.

Does this sunni create memes about 500 million donkeys?

 

[Meengla]

Saudi-Pak have many ways they can maneuver now.

Surprisingly, as far as I know, no one in this thread has mentioned that Americans could seize all the rich Arab countries' assets within hours, just like the Russian assets were seized when the Russia-Ukraine war started. Russia had, what, $300 billion. The rich Arab countries have?? $500 billion? $1 trillion? ?? And let's start to imagine to consequences for not only the rich Arab countries but also for the hundreds of millions of people who, directly or indirectly, are attached to the rich GCC countries. And here the PDF Pakistanis have been calling a basket case, over populated, corrupt Pakistan as an American stooge because Pakistan didn't dare come to the Gazans' rescue.
How little people know and yet how much they say!!

 

[The SC]

We could build couple of nuclear subs. Pakistan will never transfer bomb let alone giving them knowhow. Saudi Arabia best bet is to fund Pakistan strategic military capabilities.

Man, even Libya got the know how along with Iran from Mr Khan..you really believe that Saudi Arabia did not get much more than the know how when it is the one who has financed the whole project over decades!???

The nuclear subs are a good option though..maybe they can pressure china for the subs small reactors..

Hydrogen bombs are a must in these circumstances.. they can easily buy the technology from North Korea..

By the way you sound too selfish in your post!

 

[Watandar]

Surprisingly, as far as I know, no one in this thread has mentioned that Americans could seize all the rich Arab countries' assets within hours, just like the Russian assets were seized when the Russia-Ukraine war started. Russia had, what, $300 billion. The rich Arab countries have?? $500 billion? $1 trillion? ?? And let's start to imagine to consequences for not only the rich Arab countries but also for the hundreds of millions of people who, directly or indirectly, are attached to the rich GCC countries. And here the PDF Pakistanis have been calling a basket case, over populated, corrupt Pakistan as an American stooge because Pakistan didn't dare come to the Gazans' rescue.
How little people know and yet how much they say!!

Why would the Americans bother seizing the rich Arab assets when all the regimes are compliant collaborators ? Not only that but all the GCC money goes into the West , with a few pennies paid to expat south asian workers.

 

[The SC]

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Now add to it Pakistan..

 

[maxpane]

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Now add to it Pakistan..

its fift gen which is lacking both for ksa and pakistan

 

[maxpane]

israeli jets are customized and tailormade with local and american tech

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

More than imported nuclear deals and stealth fighters (which we need to dominate any enemy besides the superpowers), we need a joint defense sector
Imagine us making our own ships, jets, and tanks in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, our own STEM universities helping us develop next-generation technologies
That'd serve us quite well

Saudi universities are top-notch and we aren't too bad either, even if not the best
With more investment, we can truly achieve something long-lasting for our long-term security.

 

[maxpane]

need to build a whole new level eco system rom pakistan to ksa which is integrated will to counter any threat in three armed forces with rocket forces

 

[The SC]

As a reminder, Pakistan signed a joint defense treaty in 1955, including Britain, Turkey, Iran and Iraq, called "Sento" after Iraq withdrew in 59.

It lasted twenty four years till the Iranian revolution and their withdrawal with Türkiye. During this time, Pakistan asked to activate the treaty twice because of its wars with India and the members refused to intervene (they interpreted the treaty as a dam against the Soviet Union and had nothing to do with the Pakistani-Indian conflict).

The evidence in the matter is that international treaties are circumstantial and subject to the interpretation of the contracting parties, not a blank check.

Frankly, the treatment here is somewhat superficial. If we understand the movement and its dimensions, we must include heavyweight players in the equation. What happened was a tectonic earthquake that destroyed the calculations, and the whole world opened notebooks and reviewed with one hand, and the other hand held the phone and tapped the entire saved list. Who is Pakistan? The topic is a global system level in the new millennium, energy security, freedom of navigation, geostrategic positioning, winners and losers in a Darwinist game.

Forget the miserable Middle East, this is child's play and they are all crazy about lost goods. The consequences of this event include Europe and Africa and thus the entire planet as a result. It is still too early to celebrate, and the leadership faces a difficult challenge before it takes its place at the table and calms everyone down.

Our sincere prayers for leadership and our trust in God first and in them second, They made us used to the fact that Saudi Arabia is different and today is a day of implementation.