Bilal
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BTW I am sorry if I came across as rude. And I am sorry for your bad experiences. I pray that you grow and prosper my brother. Ameen.IDK, experiences differ but varied experiences on this matter dont differ!
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BTW I am sorry if I came across as rude. And I am sorry for your bad experiences. I pray that you grow and prosper my brother. Ameen.IDK, experiences differ but varied experiences on this matter dont differ!
Oh right, Pakistan supposedly “needs” Saudi Arabia and not the other way around and yet it was Saudi Arabia that rolled out the red carpet and issued a joint statement declaring that a threat against Pakistan is a threat against KSA. Do you even hear yourself? You’re contradicting your own argument. Delulu is strong in this one.It's a strange relationship, not of equals, but of patron and client. Pakistan needs Saudi Arabia rather than the other way around. That's a dependency no country should be in, but Pakistan never learns. India's transactional relationship with Saudi Arabia would be preferable.
India is a big stakeholder in sowing Division between Islamic States.Oh right, Pakistan supposedly “needs” Saudi Arabia and not the other way around and yet it was Saudi Arabia that rolled out the red carpet and issued a joint statement declaring that a threat against Pakistan is a threat against KSA. Do you even hear yourself? You’re contradicting your own argument. Delulu is strong in this one.
People will erase the errors of Muniras past if he does this......
You’re confusing hype with strategic signaling. Nobody serious believes Pakistan will suddenly start launching strikes on Israel tomorrow morning. What this agreement does is formalize a framework that makes Saudi Arabia and Pakistan’s security tied together. That alone is historic. Historically KSA Joint statements are drafted with utmost care, and every word is chosen deliberately. This is a big deal, no one cant deny that.I wonder how you imagined that I said Pakistan should take side of Iran or any specific country? I never said that. It wasn't being discussed.
Only thing was that @Meengla referred to a video saying that says Pakistan could help Iran in next war against Israel. I only clarified that with this new agreement, any chances of Pak aligning with Iran are dead.
About this agreement its more hype then things stands on reailty. People assume that now Pak will act against Israel lol OR that India will be targeted etc. All those are pure wild assumptions. Some cartoon here in this thread was mentioning that now PAF squadron is sitting 12 minutes away from Israel in KSA LMAO!. What a load of sh!t. Even if that was true, So are they going to attack Israel ? How they are going to defend the very airbase if its just that close. Secondly, what they are gonna do up against F-35s backed by whole infrastructure and so many US military bases in the region ? I am really seeing kiddish behavior by grown ups here. You don't have to agree completely with General Tariq khan but he absolutely gave clear idea on practical implications that there's no way PAF can operate in gulf without approval from USA. They have all assets deployed monitoring airspace with strong presence in the seas too. Pakistan doing anything practical / kinetic against Israel under current leadership is NEVER going to happen. Israel WILL continue its GENOCIDE and chances of Pakistan taking side with Iran against Israel are also dead with this new agreement.
If we act selfish and forget Gaza then From Pakistan's point of view, its actually good to align with KSA as obviously KSA can do massive investments in defense. But it will be really beneficial only if agreement led us to joint ventures with massive saudi investments in Pakistan's military complex. Plus we should include rest of GCC countries and remove any chances of divisions atleast within the GCC.
Don’t worry too much about this, brother. This has been happening since May. Any post that even remotely relates to Pakistan is immediately swarmed by Indian trolls and naysayers. We have gotten used to it. Dont react to them, they goal is to derail each thread.That is news to me, since when does the average Saudi Arabian, Arab, Iranian, Turk, Indonesian, African Muslim etc. "hate" (this is quite a strong word) India or Indians?
We only "hate" those that hate us for no reason.
I don't see much hate between the ordinary Pakistani in KSA/GCC and Indians, at least the Muslim Indians (majority).
Anyway what is your problem with this news again?
People will erase the errors of Muniras past if he does this......
The BD Muslims have learnt it in the hardest way possible. Hence, they've rejected the political parties, politicians, ideologies, media, intellectuals, entertainers etc. which are Bharat's team A, B, C etc. to impose a Hindu rule over them. No wonder they've gone back to their roots: TNT, 1906, 1940, 1946, 1947 etc....India is a big stakeholder in sowing Division between Islamic States.
I sincerely hope that Bangladesh has put plans into work in case the Indians try anything stupid in the future. Align yourself with Pakistan and China even closer and the rest of the Muslim world.The BD Muslims have learnt it in the hardest way possible. Hence, they've rejected the political parties, politicians, ideologies, media, intellectuals, entertainers etc. which are team A, B, C etc. to impose a Hindu rule over them....
My feeling is that China is generally very pragmatic and flexible with alliances of those around them, as long as they do not affect its core interest. It's a truism to say but they do consider The long game and as long as they are not in the line of fire its generally never an issue.Am I the only one thinking that China is definitely onboard in regards to this agreement without making it public by default of KSA being the biggest economic partner of China in the Muslim world and a long-time strategic partner (even militarily) since the 1980's and likewise Pakistan being the closest Muslim nation to China militarily and a key partner vis a vis India.
The rhetoric from some here that the "US" is onboard, what choice do they have or what say do they really have (?) at the end of the day? If they take some kind of harsh measures against either KSA or Pakistan, they will effectively push most of the region away from them and they will gradually lose their clout/influence.
Not a coincidence that the Zionists are being given more "responsibility" and have become emboldened when the US is pivoting away from the Middle East and focusing on China and also focusing on Ukraine/Russia.
The attack on the Hamas delegation in Doha not only FAILED with their objectives (killing the Hamas negotiators, none of them died), it made it clear for every leadership in the region, those not hostile to the US included, that they cannot be trusted and that Israel will always be the main focus, not that I doubt that any leadership was not aware of this but the blatant way the US/West has enabled Israel to wreck havoc across much of the region, cannot have went unnoticed.
We are witnessing genuine geopolitical chess at play and unprecedented changes.
You’re confusing hype with strategic signaling. Nobody serious believes Pakistan will suddenly start launching strikes on Israel tomorrow morning. What this agreement does is formalize a framework that makes Saudi Arabia and Pakistan’s security tied together. That alone is historic. Historically KSA Joint statements are drafted with utmost care, and every word is chosen deliberately. This is a big deal, no one cant deny that.
General Tariq Khan was right on one thing. PAF can’t operate in the Gulf without US awareness. But that doesn’t make the pact irrelevant. It means the alliance is primarily above deterrence.
The true nature of this mutual defence pact will become clearer in the coming months. Whether it involves troop deployments, joint defence production, or even nuclear alignment, these are questions that cannot be answered just days after the agreement. Until then, dismissing it as a meaningless deal would be nothing short of foolhardy.
Unfortunately, many posters here have no idea about the geo-strategic and historically context of this deal and their comments are reactionary at best.
It's exactly that, strategic signaling as well as some balancing, which also suits American interestsThat''s exactly what am saying what you have written.
People here have given it a hype and making a totally false impression as if Pakistan is going to do something against Israel. Just now saw a cartoonish journalist in a few posts above saying that Pakistan will erase Israel this and that lol. You have said exactly right that its strategic signaling at the moment.
People are living in a fool's paradise who think Pakistan can bypass United States and attack its most critical ally Israel when US is already sitting in middle east with all its full military might and infrastructure. Its impossible to do any action without US knowledge or approval.
This agreement is strategic signaling for now. and BTW, Israel wasn't going to attack KSA anyways. Now, both countries can benefit from it in defense production areas. Saudi can invest money in Pak's military complex. There can be joint ventures etc.
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