Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[RajaBaja]

So, anything Donald Trump wishes for, becomes his?

If Pakistan did not allow NATO to settle down in Afghanistan, do you think it will tolerate US or Zion presence in Afghanistan?

There was a discussion on this topic day before yesterday. The US will get the Bagram airbase, no questions. Israel asked the US lawmakers when Rubio and other law makers were visiting Israel the day we signed that defense contract with KSA.

It's per Israel's orders to monitor Pakistan. Since the US has critical minerals interest and they want to keep Pakistan close, they are using a baseless argument about "keeping an eye on China". But the reality is, it's just for Pakistan. To come here and go, they will use the NATO corridor we established with P-8's, RC-135, Global Hawks, flying through it covering the entire Pakistani airspace for monitoring. Bagram based sensors cover area up to Islamabad.

 

[Cash gk]

 

[Cash gk]

There was a discussion on this topic day before yesterday. The US will get the Bagram airbase, no questions. Israel asked the US lawmakers when Rubio and other law makers were visiting Israel the day we signed that defense contract with KSA.

It's per Israel's orders to monitor Pakistan. Since the US has critical minerals interest and they want to keep Pakistan close, they are using a baseless argument about "keeping an eye on China". But the reality is, it's just for Pakistan. To come here and go, they will use the NATO corridor we established with P-8's, RC-135, Global Hawks, flying through it covering the entire Pakistani airspace for monitoring. Bagram based sensors cover area up to Islamabad.

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[RajaBaja]

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The US spent over $ 4 billion in constructing this base, it's associated buildings, open and hidden command centers and structures. I had read a report around 2020 on this.

So what's another billion payout to get it back? Or some demands to meet? Food for thought.

 

[Meengla]

That's one of the things why I wrote that post. I've seen two of their anchors today also, they were concerned that 9 million Indians working in Saudia + Qatar, etc, may be at risk. He said the biggest concern is now Pakistan effecting this labor force.

Surprisingly, there is not as much talk among Pakistanis about replacing, or at least reducing, the Indian labor in the Middle East while the Indian analysts/bloggers are very rightly concerned about that potential development. On the contrary, some Pakistanis still worry about the 'brain drain'?!!

So India can deny us even WATER, and try to kill us, nearly 25 crore people. Now that all of a sudden tables have been turned, they are concerned about their "labor force"? Modi makes money from the Middle East and then spews hate against Pakistani Muslims and funds his military campaign with Islamic funds?

If Modi and his ideological kins online only restricted to bashing Pakistan, it would not amount to much. But at a time when Israelis were slaughtering the Gazans, blowing up the pagers in Lebanon, bombing grabbing land in Syria, displacing Palestinians in the West Bank, killing Palestinians and Iranians in Iran, bombing Qatar, the Indians never condemned Israel by name and on the contrary plenty of Indian bloggers came with strong support for Palestinians. And cherry on top, visible displays like the Israeli minister Smotrich signing some agreement in India very recently. SMH on such stupid 'policies'. Pakistanis and Turks were already aware of India's duplicity in the Middle East but now Arabs, Persians, and many other nations also saw that.

When asked if the deal meant Pakistan’s nuclear weapons could be used to defend Saudi Arabia, Ali Shihabi, an analyst close to the royal court, told AFP: “Yes, it does”.

“Nuclear is integral to this deal and Pakistan remembers that the kingdom effectively financed their nuclear programme and supported them when they were sanctioned,” he added.

Of course nuclear weapons are a huge factor in the KSA-Pak deal. For a long time, the North Korean nukes were called 'duds' and even now they may not be more than 'duds' but they are still a major factor in any strategic calculations; in contrast, Pakistan has a advanced and vast nuclear weapons manufacturing and delivery platform.

 

[arsalan345]

So, anything Donald Trump wishes for, becomes his?

If Pakistan did not allow NATO to settle down in Afghanistan, do you think it will tolerate US or Zion presence in Afghanistan?

I am talking about ground reality. I don't live in delusions like pak didn't allow NATO to settle in afghanistan hahaha. are you joking? they all left with their own will. Pak didn't force anyone to leave afghanistan. Donald trump is man of words. Few assasinations among top taliban leadership or couple of airstrikes will force taliban to give airbases to united states which uncle sam can use to spy on PAF and to provide intelligence to IDF.United states is superpower and daddy of all countries including Pakistan so please stop this assumption that pak didn't allow this, that.

 

[RajaBaja]

Surprisingly, there is not as much talk among Pakistanis about replacing, or at least reducing, the Indian labor in the Middle East while the Indian analysts/bloggers are very rightly concerned about that potential development. On the contrary, some Pakistanis still worry about the 'brain drain'?!!


If Modi and his ideological kins online only restricted to bashing Pakistan, it would not amount to much. But at a time when Israelis were slaughtering the Gazans, blowing up the pagers in Lebanon, bombing grabbing land in Syria, displacing Palestinians in the West Bank, killing Palestinians and Iranians in Iran, bombing Qatar, the Indians never condemned Israel by name and on the contrary plenty of Indian bloggers came with strong support for Palestinians. And cherry on top, visible displays like the Israeli minister Smotrich signing some agreement in India very recently. SMH on such stupid 'policies'. Pakistanis and Turks were already aware of India's duplicity in the Middle East but now Arabs, Persians, and many other nations also saw that.



Of course nuclear weapons are a huge factor in the KSA-Pak deal. For a long time, the North Korean nukes were called 'duds' and even now they may not be more than 'duds' but they are still a major factor in any strategic calculations; in contrast, Pakistan has a advanced and vast nuclear weapons manufacturing and delivery platform.

Yes, Indian duplicity is out in front of the world. The Americans know it and Trump now regrets why the US gave trillions to India in business and other concessions and millions of jobs, because at the end, they showed their duplicate tactics and refused to stand up to China.

Same with the middle east, they've seen that India milks their economies and it's over 90 lac people make top money but their loyalties are with Israel and they openly work against the same Arabs who employ them. So the bottom line is, the world has seen India's nature to say and do whatever, to get their money and jobs.

Muslim money is funding "Akhand Bharat" concept including terrible internal behavior to Indian Muslims and outwards, trying to use destructive force against Pakistan.

So I guess every S-400 missile, SU-30 and Rafale somewhere has a "Bought by Muslim Money" written on it next to "Made in Russia" or "Made in France" tag?

 

[Meengla]

The US will get the Bagram airbase, no questions

I am surprised people think it could be a viable option. Picture American troops in a military base inside Afghanistan and picture American aircrafts landing and taking off there daily and picture the Afghans all around armed with all kinds of projectiles.... That is IF the Afghan Taliban would even allow the American any presence in Afghanistan.

Remember the last night of the American presence in Afghanistan at end of August 2021? There was a massive American presence in the sky even with the Taliban eagerly wanted them to leave that night and presumably Pakistanis agents assisting in ways we may hear about in some 'memoirs'... that was just to ensure the safety of the last few aircrafts departing!!

 

[RajaBaja]

I am surprised people think it could be a viable option. Picture American troops in a military base inside Afghanistan and picture American aircrafts landing and taking off there daily and picture the Afghans all around armed with all kinds of projectiles.... That is IF the Afghan Taliban would even allow the American any presence in Afghanistan.

Remember the last night of the American presence in Afghanistan at end of August 2021? There was a massive American presence in the sky even with the Taliban eagerly wanted them to leave that night and presumably Pakistanis agents assisting in ways we may hear about in some 'memoirs'... that was just to ensure the safety of the last few aircrafts departing!!

I guess we'll have to wait and find out. In 2021, the US withdrew from the entire Afghanistan. It's called "abandon ship" orders. We saw that back in the Vietnam times too. But the issue is, Pakistan, China, and Russia are too close to Bagram. With Pakistan's growing posture, the US needs to sit here as a strategic posture. So they will get it done. War with Taliban isn't the only option. A few billions can do wonders with some military aid may be?

 

[Master Chief]

I am talking about ground reality. I don't live in delusions like pak didn't allow NATO to settle in afghanistan hahaha. are you joking? they all left with their own will. Pak didn't force anyone to leave afghanistan. Donald trump is man of words. Few assasinations among top taliban leadership or couple of airstrikes will force taliban to give airbases to united states which uncle sam can use to spy on PAF and to provide intelligence to IDF.United states is superpower and daddy of all countries including Pakistan so please stop this assumption that pak didn't allow this, that.

Agree. To add to this commentary, one must remember that USA sitting in a subservient Afghanistan is very different to USA sitting in a hostile Afghanistan.

After 2001, USA had a reason to target talibs. Today, they do not.

They will pacify the Afghans exactly as you have suggested and also by paying off enough of their politicians.

There will be no resistance to American presence there. Therefore, in turn, Americans will have no need to target talibs. On the contrary, Pakistan will now face an Israeli threat on its western flank to go with the established Afghan threat.

 

[Bilal]

Aur Jao Belarus.
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India: yeah we just went over there to make sure our D was hanging out...

 

[Meengla]

I guess we'll have to wait and find out. In 2021, the US withdrew from the entire Afghanistan. It's called "abandon ship" orders. We saw that back in the Vietnam times too. But the issue is, Pakistan, China, and Russia are too close to Bagram. With Pakistan's growing posture, the US needs to sit here as a strategic posture. So they will get it done. War with Taliban isn't the only option. A few billions can do wonders with some military aid may be?

Time will tell but I don't think Americans are going to go back to the Bagram Base in Afghanistan anytime soon, if at all. Even IF--and a very big IF--the Afghan Taliban would allow the Americans back, there are still too many factions, militias, loose canons with all kind of projectiles in Afghanistan who would target aircrafts flying into and flying out of Afghanistan. Too much of risk to take.

 

[ARMalik]

I will take NSA advisor Lt Gen. Khalid Ahmed Kidwai press conference more seriously than the words of these cheap Youtubers. And according to Kidwai, It will be a conventional deterrance which Pakistan will put into play in Saudia Arabia. All this talk of nuclear umbrella is exaggerated.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

There was a discussion on this topic day before yesterday. The US will get the Bagram airbase, no questions. Israel asked the US lawmakers when Rubio and other law makers were visiting Israel the day we signed that defense contract with KSA.

It's per Israel's orders to monitor Pakistan. Since the US has critical minerals interest and they want to keep Pakistan close, they are using a baseless argument about "keeping an eye on China". But the reality is, it's just for Pakistan. To come here and go, they will use the NATO corridor we established with P-8's, RC-135, Global Hawks, flying through it covering the entire Pakistani airspace for monitoring. Bagram based sensors cover area up to Islamabad.

How do you go on making up all this outlandish stuff?

How will Zion have control of the Bagram airbase through the US? Just how?

Why on Earth does Zion need Afghanistan to monitor Pakistan when India is more than willing to facilitate Zion?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I am talking about ground reality. I don't live in delusions like pak didn't allow NATO to settle in afghanistan hahaha. are you joking? they all left with their own will. Pak didn't force anyone to leave afghanistan.

Duh, the US and NATO blamed Pakistan for two decades for all the instability in Afghanistan through the Afghan Taliban which made it unfeasible for NATO in Afghanistan any longer.

Don't you remember?

... Donald trump is man of words. Few assasinations among top taliban leadership or couple of airstrikes will force taliban to give airbases to united states ...

The Taliban fought the Americans and whole of NATO for two decades.

... which uncle sam can use to spy on PAF and to provide intelligence to IDF. ...

Isn't that what they were doing between 2001-2021?

Can't the US do that from Qatar?

Does the US not have a satellite network that can cover Pakistan and the movements of military assets in Pakistan.

United states is superpower and daddy of all countries including Pakistan so please stop this assumption that pak didn't allow this, that.

I think he's definitely your "daddy" by the sound of it. (Bloody darpoke).