Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

A shame the Muslims didn't do this sooner. We should have had this zeal 10 years ago.....worked together to contain the rabid dog of the imperialist terrorists sooner.

My fear is it may be too late...I pray that I am wrong. Whatever happens, the death of Gaza will haunt us for eternity. We deserve nothing but misery for allowing it....

Glory to Palestine 🇵🇸

We have done this now. but Genocide is on full swing. Daily 100s of people are being butchered mercilessly. What really changed?

So, I am telling time and again and this agreement has nothing to do anything against Israel.

I mean Israel is able to carry out this genocide only because of backup / full support of the US. US vetos every move in UN, plus keep sending weapons to Israel. Plus they have stationed their aircraft carrier group and destroyers after oct 7th to show support with Israel and give a message to everyone that let Israel do whatever it wants. So US is enabling this Genocide and your govt of Pakistan has nominated Trump as Noble peace prize. Trump even said with his own mouth that GAZA will be great beach front property.

Pakistan has become overwhelmingly pro-American, minerals deal etc and only that's why US/Centcom has allowed this agreement to take place. Pakistani former generals are telling you that We can't even fly an aircraft without US/Centcom knowledge and approval in ME. They have over a dozen highly equipped military bases and infrastructure in ME and people here think that somehow Pakistan is going to do anyting against Israel ?? lol why we can't say the truth or come back to reality. Former ambassador/diplomat has said that this is part of Abraham accords. Israel seems pretty satisfied with this agreement and has intensified its Gaza offensive. US might want to give some duties to Pakistan as well and takes off its load and focus somewhere else. Its impossible to be done without US backing.
 
Not fully verified so take it with grain of salt fellows....
1. J 35 order went from 40 plus to 100 plus.
2. Not totally verified but Some PAF fighter left smoking trail over Israel..... Sending shock waves . ....
Maybe a Happy New Year to the Zionist cu&ts.....
 
OMG! who on their right mind can listen to this guy? Can't you see sorry state of his intellectual level from the thumbnails .
Well, you can say whatever you feel about him.

But he is a popular vlogger and is considered well connected media person in Pakistan.
 
Not fully verified so take it with grain of salt fellows....
1. J 35 order went from 40 plus to 100 plus.
2. Not totally verified but Some PAF fighter left smoking trail over Israel..... Sending shock waves . ....
Maybe a Happy New Year to the Zionist cu&ts.....

holly hell yeahh!! You forgot to mention, when our pilots flew over Israel they opened the cockpit and showed middle finger to Israeli military too ......
 
One should never underestimate the hindutva dreams, them and the zionists are loyal friends have this entitlement like all the land is theirs given to them by the almighty himself. These delusional maniacs are dangerous.

I've written extensively about Hindutva expansionist mindset and their willingness to take over all areas around them for Akhand Bharat.

My post was suggesting that we have come to a point where this Hindutva drama sounds like a pipe dream. We are now a nuclear nation and can put a stop of Hindutva dreams easily.
 
What on earth are you talking about man ?

He''s saying this:

PAF is already deployed in Middle east.

PAF fighters flew and jammed whole of US immense network in the middleeast.

PAF EW platforms crippled all air defenses of the US bases, its carrier strike groups, destroyers and everything.

Finally, PAF used 6th gen technology in stealth mode and made a joke out of world most advance 5th gen F-35Is of Israeli airforce. and then also teared apart planet's most advance air defense system.

Did all that and before that miraculously got permission from the Saudis to do that all from their soil.

Didn't thought about world order. Didn't thought about Super power US, didn't thought about petro-dollar economy. Didn't thought a dime about geopolitics reality of the world.

I guess he said all that in sarcasm. If not then the person deserves Nishan-e-Pakistan for his imaginations.
 
Not fully verified so take it with grain of salt fellows....
1. J 35 order went from 40 plus to 100 plus.
2. Not totally verified but Some PAF fighter left smoking trail over Israel..... Sending shock waves . ....
Maybe a Happy New Year to the Zionist cu&ts.....

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Riyadh may not want to get entangled in Pakistan’s disputes with India. But the pact should worry New Delhi.

By Rushali Saha
September 22, 2025

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On September 17, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif signed the Strategic Mutual Defense Agreement (SMDA) during the latter’s visit to Riyadh.

“Any aggression against either country shall be considered an act of aggression against both,” the landmark agreement states.

New Delhi’s official response has been measured. It “was aware” of this “development which formalizes a long-standing arrangement between the two countries,” India’s Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said. When asked about the Pakistani-Saudi pact at the ministry’s weekly media briefing, spokesperson Randhir Jaiswal spoke of India’s expectation that Saudi Arabia “will keep in mind mutual interests and sensitivities.”

When Pakistani media asked Defense Minister Khwaja Asif whether Saudi Arabia would get involved if India and Pakistan went to war, he replied in the affirmative, without mentioning India directly.

Despite Islamabad’s ambitious expectations, it is highly unlikely that Saudi Arabia would involve itself militarily in the event of an India-Pakistan conflict.

Very few details about the pact’s contents have been revealed so far. But placing it in context helps clarify what it provides for — and, more crucially, what it does not.

First, the timing of the agreement, just days after Israel bombed Qatar, is not a mere coincidence. While it may have been in the making for a long time, as Pakistan’s Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar alluded to, the signing was definitely accelerated by Israel’s military targeting of Qatar, which has thrown West Asia into turmoil. For the Saudis, the strategic imperative of formalizing a long-standing strategic relationship with an Islamic country was likely aimed at sending a political signal of solidarity to Israel, rather than getting entangled in Islamabad’s long-standing bilateral disputes. This explains why officials in Riyadh have been careful to portray the deal as a natural evolution of long-standing ties.

Second, the history of Saudi engagement with India and Pakistan provides pointers to how Riyadh will likely behave in the future. In recent years, Saudi Arabia has shown some signs indicating a willingness to de-hyphenate India and Pakistan in its South Asia policy, which has allowed it to deepen relations with India, while maintaining its traditional partnership with Pakistan. In the aftermath of the Pahalgam terrorist attacks, Saudi Arabia’s condemnation of terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir stood out as one of the strongest statements from a major Muslim country. Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Riyadh earlier this year strengthened traditional ties, particularly in energy, and also broadened the partnership to include new areas such as space, defense, and technology.

There is little to suggest that the SMDA would change Saudi positions on any of these issues. In fact, reiterating the need to “balance relations with Pakistan and India,” anonymous Saudi officials told Reuters that Riyadh would continue to grow “robust” ties with India and “contribute to regional peace.”

As it currently stands, the agreement is unlikely to impact the South Asian conflict landscape, and New Delhi will avoid a public rupture with the Saudis at all costs. However, this is not to suggest that the pact is not a cause for strategic alarm in India. At a time when India has been trying to shore up international support vis-à-vis Pakistan on Operation Sindoor following the Pahalgam attack, the Pakistani-Saudi pact leaves New Delhi more isolated. With U.S. President Donald Trump’s recent decision to revoke the sanctions waiver that allowed India to develop Iran’s Chabahar port, the timing of the deal could not have been worse for New Delhi, which now finds itself in an unenviable position.

In the recent past, New Delhi has been able to build closer relations with Israel, while pursuing closer ties with Arab countries. However, as divisions between Israel and the Arab world deepen, India faces insurmountable challenges to maintaining this posture.

India’s clear tilt toward Israel vis-à-vis Palestine in recent years, after decades of championing the Palestinian cause, is complicating its ties with the Arab world. With the Gulf countries increasingly uniting around a more hardline stance toward Israel, New Delhi may have to recalibrate its position. India’s stern condemnation of the Israeli bombing in Doha, in contrast to its muted positions on previous Israeli operations, and recent vote in favor of a U.N. General Assembly resolution endorsing the two-state solution for Palestine, indicate that a shift may be underway.
 
In 2022 alone, over 832,000 highly qualified professionals emigrated, including doctors, engineers, researchers, and IT experts, which has negatively impacted research productivity and academic institutions.

Using the military as an example shows the myopia and ignorance involved in what constitutes a nation and development.

Let’s talk to the “progression” in R&D which ironically you only see AZM as one. @JamD - I feel tired with these folks but why not because they haven’t been exposed to the black hole.

Multiple missile projects including both medium range and long range systems that never left the labs because expertise did not exist or left and basically ToT had to be done by sending engineers abroad to assemble things which they are incapable of inventing. This includes multiple failures in the entire Hatf lineup that are undeclared mostly because you did not have skilled personnel who could identify issues.

Nodong(Ghauri) repeatedly unable to function in operational capacity which required complete “origin country” personnel because you had none.

Babur failures and Tercom delays due to members of original guidance team moving abroad.

Gidhs losing multiples of UAVs over the years because one of their key aerodynamics experts moved to Bombardier and your magic “factory” had no one to replace him with

JF-17 complete failure of displays - key personnel had moved on while Chinese were not forthcoming.

First JF-17 crash because PAF no longer had the right experts and tried to bolt on systems which led to wing ripping apart in high G.

and I havent even listed all the various Pakistani published research papers on how many IT projects have failed due to lack of skilled personnel.

As for military functioning - lol
Rag tag Talibunnies massacred scores of your “functioning” military picking them off in duck shoots and you’re saying there isn’t any loss of skills.

No difference in Bhaktora mentality when they say everything is ok and this

You didn't respond to my post. It is obvious this topic has political messaging where no matter what we say or give evidence of, the "crow will be white" when in reality, its black.

In today's world, you can't expect people to not move. Movement and immigration are common across all lower income nations. Even in the richest and hi-tech places like the USA in companies like Google, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, it's common to lose a whole team working on a sensitive project. Do they shut down? NO! They RETRAIN from the human resources available. I can give you a dozen example and write a small book on this topic. It's not a brain drain, it's just part of the world we live in now.

Personal experience, there was a project X we were working closely with a massive US team. One of their executives left. We learned about it and said "ok". Soon enough, within 4 weeks in two batches, 18 out of 20 people left that hi-tech project, they resigned and moved directly to a competitor for a top end project on sensitive stuff. Now we were left with just 2 people. The US executives jumped in, apologized and asked for a 3 week gap so they could re-train employees. After a 4 week delay, the project was back on track. I can't write all details here but that project in PKR was worth dozens of billions rupees.

The rest of the data about the missiles and JF-17 is made up, in an effort to link it to imaginary issue of brain drain. There is no "substantive proofs" for it.

However, I will say this, if we've come across short falls and any delays in these projects, it's due to training and funding. Hopefully that won't be the case going to the future. You can't blame a "training" issue on "immigration" or people leaving.

Our education system's curriculum is extremely verbose, theory based. Our engineers read the same books they teach in other countries, but they pass their engineering exams through memorizing or "ratta". That's not a brain drain problem. That's an education system's issue to lack practicality. We need to build practical educational system that teaches practical implementation of theories throughout engineering degrees. People get to actually produce one or two REAL projects for each course they take.

The Chinese have complained a lot about this and we have had to re-train our people in multiple Polytech institutes in China. Meaning, our people had to re-take the SAME courses they had taken in their engineering degrees already. Why? Because they took the course, there was no R&D capability at the university in aviation sector specifically. So they passed the course by memorizing the book, got the job but had basic knowledge of practical implementation.

Problem here is also funding because you need money for R&D labs to be setup in Pakistan's engineering schools. So this is not a brain drain issue, this is an educational system's problem.

In US, millions of jobs were lost to Indians. People who had worked for decades even, in companies like Boeing, Disney, Honey Well, etc. They brought Indians in, made them sit next to American employees and gave them 4 weeks of training. Decades of knowledge was transferred in 4 weeks and the work continues.

How many times did we hear that a big company stopped operations because the real talent was fired in thousands and the new comers, the Indians couldn't manage it? Practical training is everything backed by funding for training.

To think that one human leaving a post will never be filled by another one is like world war II era thinking. It's like our grand parents would say, you now have a job, you'll remain here until you turn 60. It doesn't work like that in practical life. Every human is replaceable with education and training.

With our population growing so fast, we produce talent very fast. If we were a nation of 40 or 70 million people losing a few % annually, yes you could see a point. But with our 5th largest population, the brain drain isn't applicable. Sadly, you can hire basic clerks with MBA's and MS in Finance for literally 50,000-75,000 rupees. That's like $300-400 dollars a month and the talent pool is available at mass scale. So, no brain drain is applicable on Pakistan.
 
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This post is by Jerusalem post. They have always written ani-Muslim narrative. Nothing new.

I opened a thread where I posted Netenyaho's speech to US law makers blaming China for trying to "besiege" Israel. Basically he says behind all the recent issues like the defense pact, GAZA becoming a global issue, is all China and Qatar. He adds a country's name in a bad context after attacking it so to make people realize there "was" something wrong. When Qatar was hosting talks to end conflict.
 
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Update on UN & Cyber Incidents
During the UN high-level conference on Palestine, President Erdoğan’s speech was briefly cut off by a technical glitch, and Indonesian President Prabowo also faced minor disruptions. At the same time, European and UK airports have been hit by major cyberattacks affecting boarding systems.

So far, media reports confirm the incidents but there is no verified evidence linking them to Israeli sabotage investigations are ongoing. Worth watching closely, but we should separate confirmed facts from speculation.
It means now they started attacking their allies
 

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