Pakistan UAVs News & Discussions

[puttputt]

saar. RC toy.

...real-talk...can Iqbal be turned into a C-UAS? Basically, we fit mini-laser-guided rockets to it to hunt down enemy loitering munitions and drones?

 

[JamD]

...real-talk...can Iqbal be turned into a C-UAS? Basically, we fit mini-laser-guided rockets to it to hunt down enemy loitering munitions and drones?

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Please no lol. It is fast enough and then some but basically no payload capacity remaining.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Please no lol. It is fast enough and then some but basically no payload capacity remaining.

As we are ghareeb, i always thought of solutions that is cheap. what if we provide manpads to soldiers on the border and loc to intercept the indian drones (LM+kamikazi etc)? did we will need some modifications on the MANPAD? what i wanted to ask is would there will be needed some specific drone related modification needed for MANPAD? or the existing MANPAD will work?

Border pay faujiyon ko har aik chowki main aik special bandha MANPAD kay saath bitha dena chahiye and if we connect those persons to a secure network and they can be further guided on locations from our IADS?

 

[Bilal]

As we are ghareeb, i always thought of solutions that is cheap. what if we provide manpads to soldiers on the border and loc to intercept the indian drones (LM+kamikazi etc)? did we will need some modifications on the MANPAD? what i wanted to ask is would there will be needed some specific drone related modification needed for MANPAD? or the existing MANPAD will work?

Border pay faujiyon ko har aik chowki main aik special bandha MANPAD kay saath bitha dena chahiye and if we connect those persons to a secure network and they can be further guided on locations from our IADS?

PAF’s CIWS depiction. Seems pretty much a bunch of manpads or micro missile loaded on what seems to be commando armoured vehicle (produced under license in HIT).

In my opinion a layer of gun/canon based solution is also needed. 12.7-35mm automated (RWS).

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

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PAF’s CIWS depiction. Seems pretty much a bunch of manpads or micro missile loaded on what seems to be commando armoured vehicle (produced under license in HIT).

In my opinion a layer of gun/canon based solution is also needed. 12.7-35mm automated (RWS).

Now this is a cheap and potent defence against drone even against the saturation of drone attack

 

[Bilal]

Now this is a cheap and potent defence against drone even saturation of drone attack

Yes comparatively but manpads are still expensive. We need Gun based automated RWS layer too.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Yes comparatively but manpads are still expensive. We need Gun based automated RWS layer too.

Yeah, I agree with you on this. MANPADS are good but they are still expensive if you think about deploying them widely. A gun‑based automated RWS layer makes a lot of sense because it gives a cheaper continuous‑fire option against drones, especially when facing saturation attacks.

Basically the idea is to have a layered defence:

• Missile layer (MANPADS/micro‑missiles): for bigger or high‑value drones.
• Gun/cannon layer (12.7–35mm RWS): for small drones or swarms where you can’t afford to waste missiles.
• Electronic warfare layer (jammers, spoofers): to disrupt drone guidance and comms.

If we combine all three, even with limited resources, it becomes a potent counter‑drone strategy. Guns provide volume fire, missiles handle tougher targets, and EW adds another shield. So yeah, I think your point about adding RWS is spot on — it’s the practical way to make the system both effective and affordable.

 

[Samurai]

Yes comparatively but manpads are still expensive. We need Gun based automated RWS layer too.

We need our own S Tier SPAAG's in number against drones.

 

[Bilal]

We need our own S Tier SPAAG's in number against drones.

More cost effective solutions. Something like this:

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They have systems from 12.7, 20 and 35mm in this family.

 

[JamD]

As we are ghareeb, i always thought of solutions that is cheap. what if we provide manpads to soldiers on the border and loc to intercept the indian drones (LM+kamikazi etc)? did we will need some modifications on the MANPAD? what i wanted to ask is would there will be needed some specific drone related modification needed for MANPAD? or the existing MANPAD will work?

Border pay faujiyon ko har aik chowki main aik special bandha MANPAD kay saath bitha dena chahiye and if we connect those persons to a secure network and they can be further guided on locations from our IADS?

We are not flush with cash like a lot of countries obviously.

Regarding MANPADS against drones. Two issues:
1. These have an IR (now IR+UV) seeker that is looking for heat. Unless it is a big drone you will have a REALLY hard time to establish a lock. Practically you won't get a lock ever. So useless as is.
2. The cost-to-target ratio and the complication-to-target ratios are bad. A MANPAD is an expensive system operated by a team of two trained soldiers and has one round.

This makes MANPADS especially poor for countering drone swarms.

There isn't consensus yet but I see two viable approaches:
1. CIWS type systems that have guns with specialized fuzed rounds and tracking systems (optical + radar) with maybe an option of really cheap missiles.
2. Counter drone drones. High speed drones that are meant to kill other drones. These are now being built with fire and forget features.

 

[Corax]

We are not flush with cash like a lot of countries obviously.

Regarding MANPADS against drones. Two issues:
1. These have an IR (now IR+UV) seeker that is looking for heat. Unless it is a big drone you will have a REALLY hard time to establish a lock. Practically you won't get a lock ever. So useless as is.
2. The cost-to-target ratio and the complication-to-target ratios are bad. A MANPAD is an expensive system operated by a team of two trained soldiers and has one round.

This makes MANPADS especially poor for countering drone swarms.

There isn't consensus yet but I see two viable approaches:
1. CIWS type systems that have guns with specialized fuzed rounds and tracking systems (optical + radar) with maybe an option of really cheap missiles.
2. Counter drone drones. High speed drones that are meant to kill other drones. These are now being built with fire and forget features.

Maybe not for drones, but the Ukraine war has shown that manpads seem to be quite effective against cruise missiles and suicide loitering drones with combustion engines like the Shaheed drone, there's load of videos of Ukrainians shooting these down with manpads. Installing manpads on a mobile platform with EO/radar sensors could be quite a cost effective SHORAD system, especially given our extensive experience with the Anza series, very easy to ramp up production with updated seekers.

 

[Bilal]

These have an IR (now IR+UV) seeker that is looking for heat. Unless it is a big drone you will have a REALLY hard time to establish a lock. Practically you won't get a lock ever. So useless as is.

Stinger was upgraded to be able to do just that. But again what’s the point when the cost is still high.

 

[farooqbhai]

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PAF’s CIWS depiction. Seems pretty much a bunch of manpads or micro missile loaded on what seems to be commando armoured vehicle (produced under license in HIT).

In my opinion a layer of gun/canon based solution is also needed. 12.7-35mm automated (RWS).

Bro that is BRDM-2 AT with the multi tube Konkurs Atgm launcher. A Anti tank system that is also fielded by Indians. Its just used as a representative pic for a Missile-Gun SHORAD.

 

[Bilal]

Bro that is BRDM-2 AT with the multi tube Konkurs Atgm launcher. A Anti tank system that is also fielded by Indians. Its just used as a representative pic for a Missile-Gun SHORAD.

Always dhoka

 

[Starlord]

@JamD @farooqbhai I know its off-topic but is it possible to turn a SD-10 AAM into a short range Air defense system? something like this