Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Bags Another Fighter Deal, Media Says; India’s LCA Tejas Banks On Massive IAF Contract

[Bhojpuranchali]

That was 6 years ago. Mk1A should be having more.

65-70% by value now

 

[Awwad]

As I mentioned before. When asked "what parts of airplane were developed by Pakistan."

Pakistani members would have no answer.And you proved the point.

60 percent of Su-30 MKI is produced in India. So does that make Su 30 an Indian aircraft ?

Mig21 was also produced in India but nobody in India called it indigenous

LoL, thats such Rubbish.

Indigenous content of Tejas 59.7% by value & 75.5% by numbers

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Ignorance & low IQ at full display. I already schooled you guys that grow up and learn the difference between being owner of the project with licence production.


Here learn some basics, and don't make a joke out of yourself by comparing licence production with ownership. Its laughable on IQ level of indians that they have audacity to compare mere licence production with Pakistan's own project. Read below and learn:

SU-30 Vs JF-17 manufacturing

Pakistan owns JF-17 project. Its the owner of the program. Pakistan's PAC & China's CATIC both are 50% partners in it. Pakistan can modify, sell or do whatever it want with JF-17. Even if China sell JF-17s to any country, Pakistan will still get the profit. Would India get any profit if Russia sells SU-30 to anyone? India is only a customer for SU-30 that's all. India cannot do anything to it let alone sell to any country. Try to grasp the concept of liscence production. India was nowhere part of program when Russia was designing and developing SU-30. Pakistan started JF-17 project, it was part of conceptulization, it was part of design phase, Pakistan contributed 50% of amount in Research & development of JF-17. Only bakhts with no mental capacity bring in Su-30 manufacting and compare it with Pakistan's own JF-17 project. Now don't ridicule yourself ever again bring such things. You can thank me for educating you.

As far as Tejas is concerned, yes you can compare Tejas with JF-17. As Tejas (a 1950s design) is product of India. But just like JF-17s, it has parts from other countries. Most critical / most important part of fighter jet is its engine. Complexity wise its more than 50% of the work of entire platform. So half of that is already american in Tejas. Rest we know Tejas use European, British, Israeli components as well. Then those parts along with engine are assembled & manufactured in india. Only smaller, less significant parts are built in india. India is nowhere close getting full capability to develop engine of a 4th gen fighter, let alone a complete fighter in-house.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Cheap way to troll, ain't gonna get in your circle jerk.

You said air-cooled AESA is inferior to liquid cooled AESA of Tejas, F16V has an air-cooled AESA too, and unlike liquid-cooled AESA of Tejas, both F16 and JF17 are battle proven platforms. Hello flying samosa

Air cooling is not as effective as liquid cooling

 

[hussain0216]

Now it's much better than before. In the old PDF, Indians even thought that the JF17 and Tejas were not the same generation of aircraft. At that time, the Indian LCA promoted it as a third-generation fighter jet, while the JF17 was criticized as a second-generation and a half. More than 10 years have passed, and the JF17 block1/2 has completed its mission. The JF17 block3 has been in service, while the Tejas MK1a has not yet formed combat effectiveness. This is the biggest difference, coming from behind to catch up.

The JF17s have been in service now for almost 20 years now
They have been used to hit targets in both India, Iran and Afghanistan
They have protected our skies and been heavily used
They have been sold to foreign customers
I'm not sure what else anyone would want from a program like the JF17

The Tejas hasn't really done anything, the Indians have just thrown billions at the programme, involved foreign states in it's development and when they found out the first type was a dud they had to go back to the drawing board and spend billions more making the Tejas 2 or whatever it's called
Indians always speak about the future when it comes to the Tejas without considering it hasn't much done anything this far

 

[guangdongt]

The JF17s have been in service now for almost 20 years now
They have been used to hit targets in both India, Iran and Afghanistan
They have protected our skies and been heavily used
They have been sold to foreign customers
I'm not sure what else anyone would want from a program like the JF17

The Tejas hasn't really done anything, the Indians have just thrown billions at the programme, involved foreign states in it's development and when they found out the first type was a dud they had to go back to the drawing board and spend billions more making the Tejas 2 or whatever it's called
Indians always speak about the future when it comes to the Tejas without considering it hasn't much done anything this far

Tejas and JF17 are the longest shelf life debates I have seen on PDF. In the 21st century, if the fighter jet manufacturing industry needs a negative textbook, it must be Tejas. The extremely long cycle and repeated discussions of advanced technologies have gradually become commonplace over time. The most impressive one is the gap between composite materials and flight control systems that this forum often talked about 16 years ago. The JF17 Block3 has now been achieved, and its progress is much faster than Tejas. Batch service and entering combat readiness training is the fundamental way to establish a virtuous cycle for fighter jets, equipment units, and the design industry. Jf17 has always been a joint project, completed by China and Pakistan together, achieving the established goals of each step, while India is delaying every step

 

[Awwad]

JF-17 is so cutting-edge that the country that developed it doesn't even bother to use it themselves—truly ahead of its time!

This one comment sums up your IQ, your bias and your hatred lol. All of your typical bakht claims are debunked so many times:
Typical claims of Bakhts (sore losers) are below, all of those are hilarious and far from reality

1) Tejas is modern design... LOL! (Fact: Tejas is exact replica of 1950s first generation delta wing aircrafts. F-16s / JF-17s are 2 decades modern design with cropped delta. )

2) As Pakistan manufacture JF-17, so does india Su-30MKI. LOL! (Duffers, SU-30MKI is product of Russia, India never paid for its R&D during its conceptulization or design / development, india is user just like many other users of SU-30. India won't get a penny if russia sells SU-30 to any country. Know your place

3) India makes Tejas in-house, Pakistan assembles it LOL!! (You do exactly what Pakistan do. You import its entire engine in one piece, you import its ejection seat, you import its EW components, you import stuff from france, israel and all over the world to assemble Tejas)


4) Now finally, like a sore loser a bakht says if JF-17 is so advance then why China don't use it. LMAO!. (Let us school you in that one too, China started two projects nearly at the same time. One was purely its own with 100% ownership that was J-10Cs and other was with Pakistan JF-17s. The JF-17 from day 01 was initiated for Pakistan air-force requirements. Pakistan needed a capable 4th gen platform and that too in massive numbers. Whereas, China wanted a medium weight aircraft for its own airforce and since that aircraft had to be mainstay of PLAAF, so they wanted their complete ownership on that platform. They didn't wanted light weight to be mainstay of PLAAF anyways. They had their own requirements. )

Its literally like that I am schooling a 5 year old kid. Don't you feel embarrassed by making those stupid arguments that why china don't use it LMAO!.. You really didn't had enough mental capacity to understand that ? You want China to aquire light weight jets ?? even when its not their requirement? Kind of BS you are filled with is crazy.

 

[Jaeger]

Ignorance & low IQ at full display. I already schooled you guys that grow up and learn the difference between being owner of the project with licence production.


Here learn some basics, and don't make a joke out of yourself by comparing licence production with ownership. Its laughable on IQ level of indians that they have audacity to compare mere licence production with Pakistan's own project. Read below and learn:

SU-30 Vs JF-17 manufacturing

Pakistan owns JF-17 project. Its the owner of the program. Pakistan's PAC & China's CATIC both are 50% partners in it. Pakistan can modify, sell or do whatever it want with JF-17. Even if China sell JF-17s to any country, Pakistan will still get the profit. Would India get any profit if Russia sells SU-30 to anyone? India is only a customer for SU-30 that's all. India cannot do anything to it let alone sell to any country. Try to grasp the concept of liscence production. India was nowhere part of program when Russia was designing and developing SU-30. Pakistan started JF-17 project, it was part of conceptulization, it was part of design phase, Pakistan contributed 50% of amount in Research & development of JF-17. Only bakhts with no mental capacity bring in Su-30 manufacting and compare it with Pakistan's own JF-17 project. Now don't ridicule yourself ever again bring such things. You can thank me for educating you.

As far as Tejas is concerned, yes you can compare Tejas with JF-17. As Tejas (a 1950s design) is product of India. But just like JF-17s, it has parts from other countries. Most critical / most important part of fighter jet is its engine. Complexity wise its more than 50% of the work of entire platform. So half of that is already american in Tejas. Rest we know Tejas use European, British, Israeli components as well. Then those parts along with engine are assembled & manufactured in india. Only smaller, less significant parts are built in india. India is nowhere close getting full capability to develop engine of a 4th gen fighter, let alone a complete fighter in-house.

No matter how you twist your words.

Pakistan had almost zero contribution in JF 17 development. There were no parts of JF 17 which were developed in Pakistan.

Pakistan might have provided some of the seed money for the project and PAF might have given specifications,what they want in the aircraft.

But all R&D was done by China in China.

That is why even after "designing" a 4 gen fighter. You can not envision creating a next generation fighter of your own and are looking for off the shelf solutions.

There is nothing Pakistani Engineeers learnt from JF 17 project, except to claim some else's achievement as their own.

 

[Awwad]

lol
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Is it license produced MKI?

Russia also don't use Brahmos missile. Brahmos must be shittiest missile in the world, no ? that even its maker don't use it but uses different variant.

Your own logic is at works against you.

I never make such hilarious logic at first place. I know every country have their own requirements.

 

[SaadH]

Ok a simple question.

What parts of JF 17 were developed by Pakistan?

Irrelevant question in grand scheme of things.

Akin to familiar refrain saying who designed Pakistani nukes when the 20 megaton blast will burn dhotis just the same irrespective of who designed it.

 

[Awwad]

No matter how you twist your words.

Pakistan had almost zero contribution in JF 17 development. There were no parts of JF 17 which were developed in Pakistan.

Pakistan might have provided some of the seed money for the project and PAF might have given specifications,what they want in the aircraft.

But all R&D was done by China in China.

That is why even after "designing" a 4 gen fighter. You can not envision creating a next generation fighter of your own and are looking for off the shelf solutions.

There is nothing Pakistani Engineeers learnt from JF 17 project, except to claim some else's achievement as their own.

LOL! Try to understand the concepts of ownership my boy. JF-17 is a successful Project owned by PAC & CATIC. I think you need to Read below again, Don't embarras yourself by comparing a mere licence production of SU-30s with Pakistan's ownership program. Read below and open up your mind:

"Pakistan owns JF-17 project. Its the owner of the program. Pakistan's PAC & China's CATIC both are 50% partners in it. Pakistan can modify, sell or do whatever it want with JF-17. Even if China sell JF-17s to any country, Pakistan will still get the profit. Would India get any profit if Russia sells SU-30 to anyone? India is only a customer for SU-30 that's all. India cannot do anything to it let alone sell to any country. Try to grasp the concept of liscence production. India was nowhere part of program when Russia was designing and developing SU-30. Pakistan started JF-17 project, it was part of conceptulization, it was part of design phase, Pakistan contributed 50% of amount in Research & development of JF-17. SU-30 was already flying when india showed interest. India wasn't part of any step. India never paid for any R & D. India is only a user"


Edit: Yes, you can only compare the LCA TEjas with it. As both are owned by their respective countries. Both Tejas & JF-17 uses imported components. Engines for both aircrafts comes from outside. Only difference is JF-17 is cost-effective, combat tested, battle proven machine with modern design. While Tejas uses first generational design of delta wing ( exact replica of 1950s aircrafts) and still the aircraft is not matured. IAF still values mig-21 more than Tejas, as they relied only on SU-30s and mig-21s in 2019 forward bases. Tejas was kept far away at safe locations

 

[Taimoor]

kahir keep fooling your nation about Su30 MKI or JF17 on Feb27 dose not matter but point is still your EX Speeker on floor of the house said on video that to give back indian pilot and that it was agrued by your EX Foriegn minister S M Qureshi who came with then Army chief

JF17 targeted Indian military installation with its REK SOWs, which btw was the primary mission of swift retort. Behacray Su30 and Mig 21 awaeen khuday line lag gaey. . Collateral damage!

JF did CAP 24*7 all across LOC and IB throughout that episode. Then it bombed terrorists hideouts in Iran as well. This is as battle proven as one get. Hell, even no western airframe got such battle experience pedigree in modern warfare against formidable established adversaries as JF17.

pray the day never comes when your JF17 has to fight our LCA ... appee patta lagg jao ... till that happennes you keep happy with your facts and i keep happy with mine

Your Samosa was given all the chances during and post swift retort, but it just didnt show up! What can we do?? As they say "you can only beat whats infront of you". You lot been frying this Samasa for last three decades. . As per Modi "Agar Raphayail hota....." . Even this dumbfk knows , he was not moaning about Tejas. LOL

 

[Jaeger]

LOL! Try to understand the concepts of ownership my boy. JF-17 is a successful Project owned by PAC & CATIC. I think you need to Read below again, Don't embarras yourself by comparing a mere licence production of SU-30s with Pakistan's ownership program. Read below and open up your mind:

"Pakistan owns JF-17 project. Its the owner of the program. Pakistan's PAC & China's CATIC both are 50% partners in it. Pakistan can modify, sell or do whatever it want with JF-17. Even if China sell JF-17s to any country, Pakistan will still get the profit. Would India get any profit if Russia sells SU-30 to anyone? India is only a customer for SU-30 that's all. India cannot do anything to it let alone sell to any country. Try to grasp the concept of liscence production. India was nowhere part of program when Russia was designing and developing SU-30. Pakistan started JF-17 project, it was part of conceptulization, it was part of design phase, Pakistan contributed 50% of amount in Research & development of JF-17. Only bakhts with no mental capacity bring in Su-30 manufacting and compare it with Pakistan's own JF-17 project. Now don't ridicule yourself ever again bring such things. You can thank me for educating you."

Can you please tell me what parts of Jf 17 were developed by PAC?

Or did Pakista just pay China a $125 million to do research and development for them and in return own 50 percent of project?

 

[kambhakt]

. More than 10 years have passed, and the JF17 block1/2 has completed its mission.

Why do you say that the block I and II have completed their mission.

 

[Awwad]

Can you please tell me what parts of Jf 17 were developed by PAC?

Or just Pakistan just paid China a $125 million to do research and development for them and in return own 50 percent of project?

500 million USD and that too was just in the beginning.

Who told you that developing a specific part has anything to do with ownership of the platform? Martin baker makes ejection seats for Tejas or GE makes its engine. Do these companies own Tejas?? You are so confused. I am only schooling you that Pakistan has ownership of the program and you simply cannot compare it with your liscence productions. Compare it only with your own product. Only then a comparison can be drawn otherwise any comparison is simply non-applicable.

 

[guangdongt]

No matter how you twist your words.

Pakistan had almost zero contribution in JF 17 development. There were no parts of JF 17 which were developed in Pakistan.

Pakistan might have provided some of the seed money for the project and PAF might have given specifications,what they want in the aircraft.

But all R&D was done by China in China.

That is why even after "designing" a 4 gen fighter. You can not envision creating a next generation fighter of your own and are looking for off the shelf solutions.

There is nothing Pakistani Engineeers learnt from JF 17 project, except to claim some else's achievement as their own.

The fact is not what you think. The fighter jet design industry is actually a multi-party data exchange industry. About twenty years ago, I saw an introduction to the China Pakistan Joint Xiaolong Project in a magazine. Pakistan was involved in the design journey of this fighter jet from the beginning, such as setting goals and requirements, providing indicators that need improvement, and including wind tunnel design. They should have had some contact with it. You need to consider the aviation industry foundation in Pakistan at that time. Although they introduced the F16 very early, simply buying and truly experiencing the design process is different. Moreover, this is an aircraft tailored for Pakistan, and learning and understanding the entire process of aircraft design is a valuable knowledge asset. It's just that you need a strong and comprehensive industrial foundation to manufacture advanced fighter jets, which was not available in Pakistan at that time. However, JF17 provided such an opportunity by combining Pakistan's actual situation, introducing assembly workshops, and gradually taking over some of the fighter jet manufacturing. Self respect is the least important thing in the aviation industry, and you need to do everything possible to gain from your own foundation. Excluding impracticality and being down-to-earth is the fundamental reason for the ultimate success of the JF17 project