Pakistan's New Provinces Plan ?

[Pakistanithinktank]

You've finally found the right direction! But it's still not enough.

This isn't just a problem for the establishment!

Previously, I prompted you to consider the origin of the English word "Pakistan," which was actually hinting at this issue.

The relationships between various power groups within Pakistan are extremely complex. This includes not only the establishment, but all factions.

Any major reform measure at the national level has two sides. It will inevitably bring greater benefits to some groups, while others will inevitably have to sacrifice their interests. If the reform plan does not adequately address this issue, it can lead to fierce conflict and serious domestic instability. ------ Don't forget, India is also watching Pakistan's doorstep with predatory eyes. They won't let any opportunity slip by.

Therefore, the first thing you need to consider is how to solve this problem!

In the 1990s, Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji initiated a large-scale reform of state-owned enterprises (SOEs) in China. This led to China's subsequent rapid economic development. ------ However, many people are unaware of the price paid for this reform.

Message has reached both government and establishment about 34 EZ model. It's now up to them to take actions. Government is in the pickle and only way out is structural reforms. This is being pushed by China and Saudi Arabia.

 

[Oscar]

The old guard who fought Zia are dead.
These guts are 15 minutes work.

Never estimate a criminal cabal’s efforts to burn everything if you hit it.

They will reignite sindhudesh just for the heck of it including involving some LE and even some borderline “friends” in military.

The amount of money the PPPP eats but more importantly shares in the looting with the establishment is unfathomable.

 

[Sparten]

Never estimate a criminal cabal’s efforts to burn everything if you hit it.

They will reignite sindhudesh just for the heck of it including involving some LE and even some borderline “friends” in military.

The amount of money the PPPP eats but more importantly shares in the looting with the establishment is unfathomable.

The problem is that they have killed the golden goose. They and Baloch Nats have the same problem, looted so much that the actual wealth creation has left Karachi and gone upcountry.
In the same way, Baloch Nats asked and got control of B'Stan gas, and now look surprised when businesses and OMC prefer to buy abroad.
PPP has much reduced leverage.

 

[puttputt]

More provinces are disastrous idea, especially if it mean dividing punjab. Pakistan function because of 55% of country is relatively lawfull and peaceful. Divide punjab and now you have 75% of country in utter ruin and lawlessness as south punjab will become mini Sindh/Balochistan.

More areas need to merge with Punjab for better development.

In all my time on this forum, I've come to the conclusion that anything that is the exact opposite of what this guy says is 100% a good idea.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Unfortunately, the 1973 Constitution was flawed to a degree and was never fixed. Why is the nation hostage to a 4-province structure? Look at India, Iran, and Afghanistan. This is the core issue, and the 18th Amendment completely crippled the federation. Not a good thing. The only solution is a partial reversal of the 18th Amendment and a workable process to create smaller units and enforce the implementation of empowered local government. Karachi used to get 48 billion rupees in 2007, that is appx 30% of the Sindh budget. Now the Sindh budget is 3000+ billion PKR, and Karachi gets 55 billion PKR. what a justice.... thank you Bhutto followers

Because Pakistan is structurally and constitutionally designed and defined as a federation, which is essentionally a nation-of-nations, each province has its own identity and autonomy and creates a federation

Turkey on the other hand chose to be a unitary structure state around Turkish nationalism.

 

[PakAl]

Looks like talks are going on about either new provinces or administrative units. Pmln wants units not provinces.

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[Watandar]

Looks like talks are going on about either new provinces or administrative units. Pmln wants units not provinces.

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What is the difference ? Administrative units sound like part of a unitary state while provinces are autonomous pieces of an overall federation. Pakistan's constitution makes it a federation and that was the wishes of its founders as well.

The faujis and bureaucracy on the other hand prefer the unitary state because it centralizes all power and past experiments like One Unit were a total disaster. Remaking Pakistan into a unitary state would be utter stupidity given its size and diversity.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

What is the difference ? Administrative units sound like part of a unitary state while provinces are autonomous pieces of an overall federation. Pakistan's constitution makes it a federation and that was the wishes of its founders as well.

The faujis and bureaucracy on the other hand prefer the unitary state because it centralizes all power and past experiments like One Unit were a total disaster. Remaking Pakistan into a unitary state would be utter stupidity given its size and diversity.

Then again Pakistan as a federation has failed, constant regionnal instability and arguments and claims, fighting between centre and provinces with blame game while security detoriarates.

From practical perspective streamlined central control makes more sense for efficiency but paired with local execution but i dont think it will be wanted by most people

 

[PakAl]

Then again Pakistan as a federation has failed, constant regionnal instability and arguments and claims, fighting between centre and provinces with blame game while security detoriarates.

From practical perspective strea88mlined central control makes more sense for efficiency but paired with local execution but i dont think it will be wanted by most people

Your correct the nation doesnt want unitary state but want federal state. More administration division units is the best way forward. Keep 4 provisional assemblies, plus 4 CMs, 4 Governors but create 32 Administrative divisions with an elected Nazim, he has his own small team, he controls local taxes, budgets, schools, hospitals, local police etc.

The provisional assemblies get some budget and 32 units gets local budget to spend on roads schools police etc. Provincial assemblies implement big projects meanwhile 32 districts implement local projects. Local taxes money from fines permits etc go directly to 32 units.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Your correct the nation doesnt want unitary state but want federal state. More administration division units is the best way forward. Keep 4 provisional assemblies, plus 4 CMs, 4 Governors but create 32 Administrative divisions with an elected Nazim, he has his own small team, he controls local taxes, budgets, schools, hospitals, local police etc.

The provisional assemblies get some budget and 32 units gets local budget to spend on roads schools police etc. Provincial assemblies implement big projects meanwhile 32 districts implement local projects. Local taxes money from fines permits etc go directly to 32 units.

In my opinion, what the nation wants isn't always what is actually best for it.

What Pakistan is in urgent need of is unitary state but with local governments like in Türkiyé, this can end regional politics derived hatred for good but also do two other positives:

— keep local issues as local the locality
— allow better more precise allocation of resources and admin needs
— prevent militant spill over by isolated military rule in an area.

 

[PakAl]

What is the difference ? Administrative units sound like part of a unitary state while provinces are autonomous pieces of an overall federation. Pakistan's constitution makes it a federation and that was the wishes of its founders as well.

The faujis and bureaucracy on the other hand prefer the unitary state because it centralizes all power and past experiments like One Unit were a total disaster. Remaking Pakistan into a unitary state would be utter stupidity given its size and diversity.

They are working towards unitary state, with strong federal control, basically against the Pakistan movement agreement and against the constitution. One of the reason Bangladesh rebelled and also recent rebellions, protest and hatred. Imagine corrupt dacoit from elite Punjab and Sindh coming in your area with full powers, he will loot you till you die. The local dacoits also do it but they sleep with one eye open.

 

[PakAl]

In my opinion, what the nation wants isn't always what is actually best for it.

What Pakistan is in urgent need of is unitary state but with local governments like in Türkiyé, this can end regional politics derived hatred for good but also do two other positives:

— keep local issues as local the locality
— allow better more precise allocation of resources and admin needs
— prevent militant spill over by isolated military rule in an area.

But we are not like Turkey, we are state with different ethnicities, religions, cultures, languages, tribal cultures. All these together united to create Pakistan with their autonomousy guranteed for Pakistan to be created. I guess Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Iqbal didnt know much.

 

[Watandar]

But we are not like Turkey, we are state with different ethnicities, religions, cultures, languages, tribal cultures. All these together united to create Pakistan with their autonomousy guranteed for Pakistan to be created. I guess Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Iqbal didnt know much.

Agree, Turkey is Turk majority and Kurd minority and just look at how big of a problem Kurdish separatism has been in the unitary state of Turkey. It will never work for Pakistan given its diversity.

 

[Watandar]

Then again Pakistan as a federation has failed, constant regionnal instability and arguments and claims, fighting between centre and provinces with blame game while security detoriarates.

From practical perspective streamlined central control makes more sense for efficiency but paired with local execution but i dont think it will be wanted by most people

Federation hasn't failed, it has kept the country together. The Federatiom has never been allowed to function properly by faujis and babus who constantly sabotage and attack it, fearing loss of their power.

What you are prescribing was already tried with One Unit in Ayub Khan's time and was a massive failure with East Pakistan going it's own way in 1971.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

But we are not like Turkey, we are state with different ethnicities, religions, cultures, languages, tribal cultures. All these together united to create Pakistan with their autonomousy guranteed for Pakistan to be created. I guess Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Iqbal didnt know much.

Pakistan's demographics are the same as Turkey's.

It's 85% Indic, 15% Iranic (Pashtun + Baloch)