Pakistan’s shifting positions on the plight of Palestinians and relations with Israel

[Dalit]

If you try it, Israel will do the same, the Americans will do the cherry on top, and the Americans will get a free parking lot in South Asia. If 300 million plus Arabs can't touch a country with a ten million population with 72% being Jews, what the f_ck is a broke nigga looking for a dollar going to do.

Tackling Israel militarily isn't the solution. The Arabs already have the solution, but they are greedy and blind.

The Americans are the ones that have approached Arab states on behalf of Israel to convince and promote the Abraham Accords. The solution is to not accept Israel and also boycott it economically. That will hurt the US and its partner Israel without a doubt.

Let's be honest. Pakistan has no connection with Israel. We are two strangers. We can compare it to New Zealand and Nigeria. Zero connection. Pakistan views Israel through the Palestinian conflict. It is the moral thing to do without even bringing religion into it. Israel has made no secret about feeling insecure about Pakistan. Especially Pakistani nuclear weapons makes Israel insecure. That is not our problem. Israel is the one that has promoted India in Washington and continues to assist India against Pakistan. If Israel behaves and respects Palestinian rights Pakistan won't have any reason to criticise it. That is all there is. Yes, Israel and Pakistan have even the potential of becoming trade partners if the Palestinian conflict is resolved. Why not?

 

[hussain0216]

It is genocide of the palistenians for definite.. And I'm an Indian saying this and we are allies of Israel but they a exterminating Gaza people.

What has shocked me how completely impotent you Muslim nations are to protect your Muslim brothers. I hear so much bravado we are 2 billion and rising but when it mattered you all closed the windows to the screams

Israel and the USA have commited war crimes on a helpless race.. you Muslims including nuke armed Pakistan have sat and watched

The reality is there is no Muslim brotherhood The likes of UAE Saudi Kuwait have immense trade and links with ithe west and much to your hatred India is big market and trade destinations for the middle east.

Pakistan is a weak state it offers nothing to Israel and islamic state
Knocking on Tel Aviv doors will get you nothing very much the same answer your generals are getting in Washington right now

What is worse for Pakistan the Indian modi govt Pakistan sworn
enemy is entrenched with Israel increasing close to USA and now very close to very Arab states you previously relied on fir support

Pakistan is left with china nothing else

In Europe islamaphobia is spreading like wild fire in mainstream politics

Right now as a independent nation being economically.viable has never been more vital than now

When the crusaders happened it was 100 years of carnage, until a leader emerged in Saladin that united multiple Muslim peoples and began the process of destroying the crusaders

The Arab states are indeed cucked, not to the Jews but to the USA with dictators dependent on support for legitimacy, but also because they have their own plans to use money to expand business interests across the world and the U.S

However at a population level, their is mass anger across the Muslim world a d it will the basis of future change

Muslims are not like Hindus or Sikhs who will accept eternal subjugation or enslavement to massa, so the Palestinians resist regardless of consequences, other Muslim countries and resistance is set up to constantly harass the jew state aim will be tk change the situation until the jews break, and they will indeed break, its only a matter of time



Every country is responsible for its surrounding situation
PAKISTAN for example took on the USSR, USA, INDIA, NATO in Afghanistan and came out the winner
Pakistan has done it's part, it's up to the surrounding Arab states to change and increase the resistance
The Jews are cracking across the world, none of this will be good for them

Pakistan has China sure, but it's also has great relations with multiple countries including vital countries like Turkey with vital common interests being developed

The Muslim world is massive and waking up this entity against common enemies like Zionists, hindutva, Sikhs etc is vital for our future

 

[GatlingGun]

Not a single sentence in your rubbish post has any meaning.

Let me ask the question to guide you in the right direction. Why do you think Pakistan won't put more focus on trade with China? Convince me instead of posting nonsense.

Trade is a two way street. Both sides are going to export their goods. If India can do that, why not Pakistan?

Again you are peddling baseless theories.
How will China allow Pakistan to have 20-30B$ surplus in trade as west does ?

Can you tell us what does Pakistan make which can generate 30B$ suplus against hyper subsidised Chinese exporters ?

 

[Khansaheeb]

If you try it, Israel will do the same, the Americans will do the cherry on top, and the Americans will get a free parking lot in South Asia. If 300 million plus Arabs can't touch a country with a ten million population with 72% being Jews, what the f_ck is a broke nigga looking for a dollar going to do.

That broke Nigga ain't got nothing to lose Nigga.

 

[GatlingGun]

That broke Nigga ain't got nothing to lose Nigga.

OSP niggas love to hype suicidal tactics because in reality it's them who don't have much to lose.

 

[harpy1]

When the crusaders happened it was 100 years of carnage, until a leader emerged in Saladin that united multiple Muslim peoples and began the process of destroying the crusaders

The Arab states are indeed cucked, not to the Jews but to the USA with dictators dependent on support for legitimacy, but also because they have their own plans to use money to expand business interests across the world and the U.S

However at a population level, their is mass anger across the Muslim world a d it will the basis of future change

Muslims are not like Hindus or Sikhs who will accept eternal subjugation or enslavement to massa, so the Palestinians resist regardless of consequences, other Muslim countries and resistance is set up to constantly harass the jew state aim will be tk change the situation until the jews break, and they will indeed break, its only a matter of time



Every country is responsible for its surrounding situation
PAKISTAN for example took on the USSR, USA, INDIA, NATO in Afghanistan and came out the winner
Pakistan has done it's part, it's up to the surrounding Arab states to change and increase the resistance
The Jews are cracking across the world, none of this will be good for them

Pakistan has China sure, but it's also has great relations with multiple countries including vital countries like Turkey with vital common interests being developed

The Muslim world is massive and waking up this entity against common enemies like Zionists, hindutva, Sikhs etc is vital for our future

Nonsense post
Hindus and some Sikhs subjugation
I'm a sikh I go to India twice a year from.india..
Khalistan is terror backward entity
Subjugation is what happened to Jews in the war and what is happening to Muslims now in Gaza and Iraq and Libya by the west

Hindu India is trampling over the west to become the most powerful full nation on earth bar USA and china
The world is giving modi and Indians respect and business and access to markets

Where you getting this subjugation of Hindus from anyway

This is not middle ages where salladin is coming on a horse to unite Arabs or save muslims

The west distrust and dispise the islamic works

No body is bombing Indians from the west or any where else not now not ever .

I suggest you see how jai shanker regularly destroys western media leaders in the west in words alone but it comes from a base of national strength and confidence
India is massive power now and you can try dress it down but it will not stop the natural world order

 

[mythbuster]

Saudi Arabia and UAE have courted India (especially under Modi) relentlessly for security and economic relationships

Do they have a choice ? India is their 1 or 2 largest oil market..... everything States or humans in their individual capacity do revolves around economy......at the core of every religion / political philosophy/ geopolitics it's economy that unabashedly provides the necessary spur .

 

[harpy1]

Coming back to the thread slightly
You Pakistanis ordinary people think like dark ages and talk about Muslim brother hood and rise of islam. This attitude only exists in people mindset of insecure weak races. A thinking which believes to be heard to be strong you Pakistanis need the rest of the arab world on your side so you speak.with one islamic voice .
It's a middle age backward mindset

Pakistani generals have ignored Gaza and the massacres and are engaging in back channel dialogue with USA which is leading and supporting Israel in Gaza .

Some of you want to open relations with Israel because they are powerful nations ..

You gave seen UAE Saudi and others build relations they never talk
about islamic brotherhood like you Pakistanis they deal in national interests only

This is harsh lesson for Pakistan right now

 

[nahtanbob]

Do they have a choice ? India is their 1 or 2 largest oil market..... everything States or humans in their individual capacity do revolves around economy......at the core of every religion / political philosophy/ geopolitics it's economy that unabashedly provides the necessary spur .

India is a major customer of hydrocarbons

 

[mythbuster]

It is genocide of the palistenians for definite.. And I'm an Indian saying this and we are allies of Israel but they a exterminating Gaza people.

What has shocked me how completely impotent you Muslim nations are to protect your Muslim brothers. I hear so much bravado we are 2 billion and rising but when it mattered you all closed the windows to the screams

Israel and the USA have commited war crimes on a helpless race.. you Muslims including nuke armed Pakistan have sat and watched

The reality is there is no Muslim brotherhood The likes of UAE Saudi Kuwait have immense trade and links with ithe west and much to your hatred India is big market and trade destinations for the middle east.

Pakistan is a weak state it offers nothing to Israel and islamic state
Knocking on Tel Aviv doors will get you nothing very much the same answer your generals are getting in Washington right now

What is worse for Pakistan the Indian modi govt Pakistan sworn
enemy is entrenched with Israel increasing close to USA and now very close to very Arab states you previously relied on fir support

Pakistan is left with china nothing else

In Europe islamaphobia is spreading like wild fire in mainstream politics

Right now as a independent nation being economically.viable has never been more vital than now

Got to extinguish my bonfires of vanity and agree with you .

 

[hussain0216]

Nonsense post
Hindus and some Sikhs subjugation
I'm a sikh I go to India twice a year from.india..
Khalistan is terror backward entity
Subjugation is what happened to Jews in the war and what is happening to Muslims now in Gaza and Iraq and Libya by the west

Hindu India is trampling over the west to become the most powerful full nation on earth bar USA and china
The world is giving modi and Indians respect and business and access to markets

Where you getting this subjugation of Hindus from anyway

This is not middle ages where salladin is coming on a horse to unite Arabs or save muslims

The west distrust and dispise the islamic works

No body is bombing Indians from the west or any where else not now not ever .

I suggest you see how jai shanker regularly destroys western media leaders in the west in words alone but it comes from a base of national strength and confidence
India is massive power now and you can try dress it down but it will not stop the natural world order

India is a overpopulated slum, it doesn't even have any influenced in its own region let alone anywhere else It's a large market, but so is Pakistans

Hindus and Sikhs were humiliated for centuries with little response, it's about the willingness to resist

The western world has held world power for the last few centuries so it's always going to be difficult to take on establishment powers, but the world is changing, it's always changing

And the Muslim world is still here and it's population of bigger then ever, when th Muslim world ris s our enemies like Hindus and Sikhs will know

 

[mythbuster]

Coming back to the thread slightly
You Pakistanis ordinary people think like dark ages and talk about Muslim brother hood and rise of islam. This attitude only exists in people mindset of insecure weak races. A thinking which believes to be heard to be strong you Pakistanis need the rest of the arab world on your side so you speak.with one islamic voice .
It's a middle age backward mindset

Pakistani generals have ignored Gaza and the massacres and are engaging in back channel dialogue with USA which is leading and supporting Israel in Gaza .

Some of you want to open relations with Israel because they are powerful nations ..

You gave seen UAE Saudi and others build relations they never talk
about islamic brotherhood like you Pakistanis they deal in national interests only

This is harsh lesson for Pakistan right now

Are you egging on Pakistanis to take on USA ? I know we will get hoors and eternal erection in paradise but we are not in a hurry

 

[LeGenD]

How was US/NATO performance in Afghanistan?

Taliban were overthrown and the US created another setup. Al-Qaeda Network was slowly uncovered and dismantled, this took time because Al-Qaeda terrorists fled to cities to escape notice. But Pakistan saved Taliban by pushing for dialogue between the US and Taliban that led to Doha Accords in Qatar. Pakistan provided access to Afghanistan in the first place and Pakistan had leverage in this conflict. Taliban would have flopped without Pakistan's support.

If the US could reach Afghanistan from another region then it could be a different story. US-led forces defeated much larger ISIL network in Iraq and Syria in recent years so Taliban are nothing special but very lucky. But Pakistan's solution is not necessarily a good solution because Taliban have not addressed Pakistan's concerns and terrorism continues.

Iraq called upon the US to help defeat elements responsible for terrorism in its lands but Pakistan continues to make questionable bets and solve nothing.

 

[mythbuster]

Taliban were overthrown and the US created another setup. Al-Qaeda Network was slowly uncovered and dismantled. But Pakistan saved Taliban by pushing for dialogue between the US and Taliban that led to Doha Accords in Qatar. Pakistan provided access to Afghanistan in the first place and Pakistan had leverage in this conflict. Taliban would have flopped without Pakistan's support.

If the US could reach Afghanistan from another region then it could be a different story. US-led forces defeated much larger ISIL network in Iraq and Syria in recent years so Taliban are nothing special but very lucky. But Pakistan's solution is not necessarily a good solution because Taliban have not addressed Pakistan's concerns and terrorism continues.

Iraq called upon the US to help defeat elements responsible for terrorism in its lands but Pakistan continues to make questionable bets and solve nothing.

No questionable bet here ...... Afghanistan is Pakistan s backyard , we didn't want USSR here nor we want USA .....there was no justification for USA to attack Afghanistan ...... Afghanistan was easy target , real culprits of 9/11 were Saudis along with other Arabs but they have oil and the influence that comes with it .....when Pakistan failed to persuade the Americans not to attack Afghanistan Musharraf told the Americans in catagorical terms .....we will not support you against talibans ... talibans will not be designated as terrorist.....you won't be allowed to leave Afghanistan without our permission....rest you know what happened ......there is no need for Mia culpa and wussy attitude ..... Pakistan is a formidable power , our economic woes are temporary ....no need for Pakistanis to be dejected .

 

[LeGenD]

No questionable bet here ...... Afghanistan is Pakistan s backyard , we didn't want USSR here nor we want USA .....there was no justification for USA to attack Afghanistan ...... Afghanistan was easy target , real culprits of 9/11 were Saudis along with other Arabs but they have oil and the influence that comes with it .....when Pakistan failed to persuade the Americans not to attack Afghanistan Musharraf told the Americans in catagorical terms .....we will not support you against talibans ... talibans will not be designated as terrorist.....you won't be allowed to leave Afghanistan without our permission....rest you know what happened ......there is no need for Mia culpa and wussy attitude ..... Pakistan is a formidable power , our economic woes are temporary ....no need for Pakistanis to be dejected .

Mate, you need to study history of Al-Qaeda Network and why Saudi Arabia and Sudan banned it. Pakistan should have put pressure on Taliban to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in the region but was sleeping until 9/11. Shedding light on observed facts is not mia culpa and wussy attitude but Pakistan must learn from its mistakes and make better decisions for its own benefit. Address regional threats yourself if possible.