PL-15E and HQ-16FE improvements needed?

[Yasser76]

Unsung heroes of recent skirmish are link 17 ( indigenous ) and AWACS ( European )..... with out these J 10C would have been eaten up by Rafael without a burp

EW too played big role

 

[Developereo]

You will never match number of missiles India can throw at you. China isn't going to give you free missiles. India is like 4 times bigger in area. Hindutva regime doesn't care about border states like sikh punjab or muslim IoK. You have to hit Delhi, Mumbai, Gujarat etc

If India doesn't come to battlefield and want to fire missiles from safe distance then hit their infrastructure etc and nuclear missiles to end with. Escalate in matter of days if not hours.

Killing people in Kashmir will not humiliate India. We need to hit the Indian heartland as they hit us all over the country, but Pakistani politicians always fight India half-heartedly. They have too many business interests with India and other countries. They put up a small fight mostly for show to the Pakistani public, not to give India a bloody nose.

 

[MH.Yang]

Pakistan is not looking for 100 percent in-house manufacturing,...most of the technically advanced parts will be imported..... it's just a fifth generation aircraft not a spaceship.

There is a fundamental difference between J35 and JF-17, if you build J35 in Pakistan then the cost will be much higher than Chinese built J35. i know you are trying to reduce the cost pressure on PAF out of good intentions but your approach is wrong and will only be counterproductive.

 

[MH.Yang]

Yes, PLA can ignore. Pakistan's all large urban centres and military bases are located within the 500 KM arc of Brahmos. Pakistan's only option is to strike early and take out as many Brahmos as possible in storage, on launchers and in production.

I don't think you have the right idea. If you're up against countries like Western Europe, they'll avoid destroying each other with their missiles because they're concerned about casualties. But you are up against India, the only country in the world that provides human experimenters to multinational drug companies, a country that has a very poor hunger index but is a major global exporter of food. Do you think the Indian government cares about Indian civilian casualties? You need HQ19 to protect vital institutions, as Israel does, and that's the only way.

 

[MH.Yang]

The air frame is Soviet/Russian design, and I think Russians don't want to see J 16 competing with their aircrafts. China doesn't want to irk them.

Russian electronics are a complete mismatch for an aerodynamic profile as good as the Flanker's.

 

[mythbuster]

There is a fundamental difference between J35 and JF-17, if you build J35 in Pakistan then the cost will be much higher than Chinese built J35. i know you are trying to reduce the cost pressure on PAF out of good intentions but your approach is wrong and will only be counterproductive.

Take your crystal ball out and look into the future.....in less than a decade jf 17 and j10 will be obsolete.....if Pakistan wants to keep an edge in aerial domain it's airforce must be predominantly fifth generation..we will need at least 100 fifth generation aircrafts. .....we can't shut down our kamra complex cause they have nothing to manufacture...it will be more expensive and detrimental to our future goals ....we have to keep the complex running , no matter what the cost.

 

[MH.Yang]

F-16 may even have been a liability in the recent conflict as JF-17 and J-10 dully integrated into our Cyber/EW/AEW set up. Difficult to do with US equipment as permission needed. Actually could have been a chance of friendly fire if we had so many western/chinese jets up in the air at the same time

The F16 is a very good 4G fighter, admittedly it doesn't fit into the Chinese "system of war", but it's capable enough on its own to participate in any battlefield. You are overestimating India and underestimating the threshold of the "war system". The only two countries in the world that really have a "war system" are China and the US. Russia doesn't, France doesn't, let alone India. And an airplane as good as the F16 has a lot of missions to do even without the support of a system.

 

[mythbuster]

The F16 is a very good 4G fighter, admittedly it doesn't fit into the Chinese "system of war", but it's capable enough on its own to participate in any battlefield. You are overestimating India and underestimating the threshold of the "war system". The only two countries in the world that really have a "war system" are China and the US. Russia doesn't, France doesn't, let alone India. And an airplane as good as the F16 has a lot of missions to do even without the support of a system.

No sir....in future f 16 will be good for kamikaze missions only .

 

[MH.Yang]

Take your crystal ball out and look into the future.....in less than a decade jf 17 and j10 will be obsolete.....if Pakistan wants to keep an edge in aerial domain it's airforce must be predominantly fifth generation..we will need at least 100 fifth generation aircrafts. .....we can't shut down our kamra complex cause they have nothing to manufacture...it will be more expensive and detrimental to our future goals ....we have to keep the complex running , no matter what the cost.

Let me put it this way. The lowest technological threshold in an aircraft is the fuselage, but even the J-16 has already adopted new titanium alloys that are compatible with Chinese stealth coatings and radar-absorbing materials, as well as new aluminum-lithium alloys and magnesium-lithium alloys that have to be 3D-printed for many parts of the counterweight issue. It is no longer in the same conceptual range as the JF-17/J-10C. The difference in material technology is the most difficult to improve, it needs enough time and the accumulation of talent, it is not at all China's transfer of technology will allow Pakistani factories to manufacture the problem. And that's just the J-16, the complexity of the J-35 is definitely higher. since PLAAF has the guts to send the J-35 to South Asia to go head to head with the F-35, do you really think the Chinese government is in it for that little bit of money? We are certain that we will win for sure. Since I'm sure, it's because the level of tech on the J35 is certainly no less than the F35.

 

[MH.Yang]

No sir....in future f 16 will be good for kamikaze missions only .

Okay. Let me give you an example. You do realize that the J10C is an air superiority fighter, right? So who is suitable to help J10C in ground strike mission? The F16, of course.

 

[mythbuster]

Let me put it this way. The lowest technological threshold in an aircraft is the fuselage, but even the J-16 has already adopted new titanium alloys that are compatible with Chinese stealth coatings and radar-absorbing materials, as well as new aluminum-lithium alloys and magnesium-lithium alloys that have to be 3D-printed for many parts of the counterweight issue. It is no longer in the same conceptual range as the JF-17/J-10C. The difference in material technology is the most difficult to improve, it needs enough time and the accumulation of talent, it is not at all China's transfer of technology will allow Pakistani factories to manufacture the problem. And that's just the J-16, the complexity of the J-35 is definitely higher. since PLAAF has the guts to send the J-35 to South Asia to go head to head with the F-35, do you really think the Chinese government is in it for that little bit of money? We are certain that we will win for sure. Since I'm sure, it's because the level of tech on the J35 is certainly no less than the F35.

Since Americans have given f35 to many countries and many countries are manufacturing f35 parts , china giving J35 to Pakistan is no big deal...... during last few years Pakistan has taken a quantum leap in material sciences though lacking in economy of scales ( most Pakistanis are not aware of it )..... I my view J 20 was a diversion J 35 is the real thing...I maybe wrong but i believe J 35 is superior to f 35.

 

[mythbuster]

Okay. Let me give you an example. You do realize that the J10C is an air superiority fighter, right? So who is suitable to help J10C in ground strike mission? The F16, of course.

Don't know much about f 16 v but Pakistani f 16 will be an easy prey for Sam's

 

[MH.Yang]

Since Americans have given f35 to many countries and many countries are manufacturing f35 parts , china giving J35 to Pakistan is no big deal...... during last few years Pakistan has taken a quantum leap in material sciences though lacking in economy of scales ( most Pakistanis are not aware of it )..... I my view J 20 was a diversion J 35 is the real thing...I maybe wrong but i believe J 35 is superior to f 35.

China dared to let the J35 go to South Asia to face the F35 head on, to show the world that the global military-technological hegemony is changing hands. Instead of selling the credibility of China's military equipment for billions of dollars. Pakistan may be able to participate in some of the J35 manufacturing, but to afford the entire production line, that is clearly unrealistic. Not only Pakistan, there are few countries in the whole world that can afford this production line.

The J20 has a Loyal Wingman system, it's actually a 5.5G fighter.

 

[MH.Yang]

Don't know much about f 16 v but Pakistani f 16 will be an easy prey for Sam's

The Pakistani government should make diplomatic efforts, preferably by getting the US to agree to the F16 for upgrades and Russia to agree to the Chinese sale of the J16. That might take some timing and diplomacy.

 

[mythbuster]

The Pakistani government should make diplomatic efforts, preferably by getting the US to agree to the F16 for upgrades and Russia to agree to the Chinese sale of the J16. That might take some timing and diplomacy.

Come on bro... Pakistan doesn't have that kind of clout .